[QUOTE=ZnT00;50377982]Considering it's only been 2 weeks, it's safe to say nothing major has changed. Even if it turns out they have made big changes, then I still don't see the problem with people discussing the current balance.[/QUOTE]
Unless you played considerably much during the beta, odds are you don't have the knowledge and experience with all Champs and how they play to safely determine what needs to be nerfed.
Maybe I'm wrong though
I feel this image will still be relevant for awhile.
[t]https://i.imgur.com/bBZW6lI.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;50378000]Honestly, I don't blame them for thinking it's mostly playerbase at fault for not being able to play around Bastion because from 90% I am sure that's just the case.
But the fact they don't even CONSIDERED the possibility of fuck up on their part is what's really getting under my skin. Nah, nah, man, game's perfectly balanced, we cannot make mistakes, just learn to counter lol!!![/QUOTE]
Unless something is blatantly unbalanced it's usually a bad idea to patch that quickly. They're probably waiting to see how people adapt, and they're absolutely right.
[QUOTE=Doom14;50377991]"It's silly to complain about a game that's in alpha, it's not even out yet."
"It's silly to complain about a game that's in (closed) beta, it's not even out yet."
"It's silly to complain about a game that's in (open) beta, it's not even out yet."
"It's silly to complain about a game that's just launched, it's barely even been out."
"It's silly to complain about a game that's been out for awhile, there are obviously countering strategies."
"It's silly to complain about a game that's been out for years, it's obviously the intended meta."
And that's how you wind up with an originally trap-based defensive class getting an 8 shot remote-detonation rocket launcher and a grenade launcher secondary all of which can 1-2 shot all but one class in the game to be considered normal.
[sp]Disclaimer: I have more than a month of raw play time on Demoman, anyone who says it was intended or balanced is delusional. But it is what it is, because Valve chickened out after backlash only two days after attempting to slightly tweak it - about 3-4 years later into the game. I'd hate to see Mei go the same way because people think in a vacuum that Reaper can out DPS her with perfect meatshots before being frozen by 0.5 seconds or some shit.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Okay but this is not TF2 and Bastion is nowhere near as bullshit as demo and the only reason that people have any issues with him is because they're too stubborn to accept that they might be bad at the game and not realize they have to go off the main path to do things.
I FUCKIN BOMBED MY COLLEGE PLACEMENT TESTS BUT ITS OK I SORTA PASSED THEM WITH BELOW AVERAGE SCORES WHO CARES I WANT TO FUCKING PLAY OVERWATCH LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO
[QUOTE=gastyne;50378011]Unless you played considerably much during the beta, odds are you don't have the knowledge and experience with all Champs and how they play to safely determine what needs to be nerfed.
Maybe I'm wrong though[/QUOTE]
I logged 27 hours of playtime in the beta, and I watched just as much footage of the game beforehand. I'm certain that most posters in here have enough experience with the game to confidently discuss balance.
[QUOTE=Louis;50378015]Okay but this is not TF2 and Bastion is nowhere near as bullshit as demo and the only reason that people have any issues with him is because they're too stubborn to accept that they might be bad at the game and not realize they have to go off the main path to do things.[/QUOTE]
I was joking about Mei.
I actually have no issue with Bastion right now. If he is to be tweaked, his recon mode could use compensation because he's so utterly bland and filler-like when not somehow abusing the turret-mode (which in itself relies on there being 0 hard counters on the enemy team.)
[QUOTE=Louis;50378015]Okay but this is not TF2 and Bastion is nowhere near as bullshit as demo and the only reason that people have any issues with him is because they're too stubborn to accept that they might be bad at the game and not realize they have to go off the main path to do things.[/QUOTE]
I think people confuse counters for "they can't do anything to me because I am their counter" instead of "I can still die to them but I am considerably stronger against them"
[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;50378017]I FUCKIN BOMBED MY COLLEGE PLACEMENT TESTS BUT ITS OK I SORTA PASSED THEM WITH BELOW AVERAGE SCORES WHO CARES I WANT TO FUCKING PLAY OVERWATCH LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO[/QUOTE]
I read the first 5 words and instantly started sweating.
[QUOTE=Doom14;50378024]I was joking about Mei.
I actually have no issue with Bastion right now. If he is to be tweaked, his recon mode could use compensation because he's so utterly bland and filler-like when not somehow abusing the turret-mode (which in itself relies on there being 0 hard counters on the enemy team.)[/QUOTE]
I must've actually glazed over the part where you said Mei I'm tired as shit n just finished work, I think Mei is bullshit in the sense that she annoys the fuck out of me and slows the pace of the game down but isnt OP by any means, I see people call her out as cancer but the most flaming comes from Bastion so I just assumed.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50378032]I read the first 5 words and instantly started sweating.[/QUOTE]
Why's that :v: I suck at Math
[editline]23rd May 2016[/editline]
OH LMAO
Man, I'm jealous of everybody here. Most people's exams are already over but I still have one more on Wednesday and then a bunch more in three weeks time for college placement.
at least im not failing them [sp]unlike you lot[/sp]
[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;50378038]Why's that[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;50378038]I FUCKIN BOMBED MY COLLEGE[/QUOTE]
Finally working unsociable hours pays off and I have 3 days off in a row for overwatch release that I didnt even ask for :toot:
[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;50378038]Why's that :v: I suck at Math
[editline]23rd May 2016[/editline]
OH LMAO[/QUOTE]
How many more people need to die before blizz nerf bastion. Please stop this madness
[video=youtube;l8HUFhCBTXw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8HUFhCBTXw[/video]
guys you heard about this new blizzard game called overwatch?
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50377874]Man its going to be awkward when all you dva players get into the game and realize she's shittest girl and start worshipping mcree like us normal people.[/QUOTE]
I feel schadenfreude whenever high noon rolls around and I just have to look at you from 50 meters away and press E
[QUOTE=Louis;50378034]I must've actually glazed over the part where you said Mei I'm tired as shit n just finished work, I think Mei is bullshit in the sense that she annoys the fuck out of me and slows the pace of the game down but isnt OP by any means, I see people call her out as cancer but the most flaming comes from Bastion so I just assumed.[/QUOTE]
Mei discussions go in circles. I think it really boils down to that she's not so much powerful, but is simply too easy to use in 1 v 1 situations and winds up being the only hero people often go "well you need to go 2 v 1 on" or use other weird excuses for. And that anything that makes the unholy action of fucking with your mouse sensitivity is heretical.
Also, despite not being a tank, she has the only self-heal that also qualifies as invulnerability, with an escape button, that keeps her other ability cooling down as well.
I really like her conceptually, she just needs some minor tweaks. And if someone gave me a magic eraser button, I'd still pick Widowmaker first because snipers are the truest cancer and always breed more people picking sniper.
And there's always that one sniper standing right by the objective, in-scope, i[B]gnoring the FUCKING OBJECTIVE LIKE, GOD[/B] [highlight]DAMN PAY ATTENTION TO THE FUCKING GAME AND JUST TAP THE CART AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA[/highlight]
I find it funny how the generic sniper in this game is the only one without a personality.
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;50378074]I find it funny how the generic sniper in this game is the only one without a personality.[/QUOTE]
Symmetra but you probably forgot she exsists
[QUOTE=ryfry99;50378080]Symmetra but you probably forgot she exsists[/QUOTE]
She's all about order though.
[QUOTE=ryfry99;50378080]Symmetra but you probably forgot she exsists[/QUOTE]
She still has a personality.....somewhat. Widowmaker is literally "I can not feel, I must listen to my higher ups"
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;50378074]the only one without a personality.[/QUOTE]
I don't get why people say this. I mean it's technically the supposed lore for Widowmaker, but all I ever hear her say is:
[I]mm i'm like a spidah i love to kill, oh yes, it makes my heart beat mmmmmMMM[/I]
And meanwhile Symmetra is just like, calm if slightly OCD. The lesson to be learned here is that Roadhog is the truest waifu.
Roadhog and Junkrat are some of my favorite personalities and designs in the game. Might be a little biased since I'm a max max sucker but I love their vibes.
[QUOTE=dai;50378061]I feel schadenfreude whenever high noon rolls around and I just have to look at you from 50 meters away and press E[/QUOTE]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/fzR9iku.jpg[/t]
I still think Bastion is too powerful at range in his current state. In most maps this isn't a problem, but certain chokepoints make it too easy for him to cover all possible entrances and deal with enemy snipers all at once.
Just a slight tweak to his bullet spread and I'd be happy with him.
[QUOTE=Linkuya;50378096]Roadhog and Junkrat are some of my favorite personalities and designs in the game. Might be a little biased since I'm a max max sucker but I love their vibes.[/QUOTE]A map based in the Australian wastes would be so damn cool.
[QUOTE=Rufia;50378109]deal with enemy snipers all at once.[/QUOTE]
Unless it's a weird gap or a bad sniper, even Hanzo can play peek-a-boo and kill him in 2-3 shots easy.
It gets difficult when there's a Reinhart cheesing it, but then the Bastion's sight is even worse - and they're still victim to human reaction times. Once you get good at countering Bastion, you start to fear Toblerone Chocolate Bar's aimbot 360 noscope turret more when skulking around enemy lines.
back when I first looked into the game the idea of junkrat's weapon set was absolutely my jam, but his looks (and voice acting in the early gameplay demos) were just so unappealing I didn't think I'd play him at all. He's grown on me a lot, he's incredibly fun, they toned down the squeaky laughter a ton, and all of his animations give him raw character that makes him INTERESTINGLY goofy instead of feeling like a really forced "LOL IM SO RANDUMB" Jared Leto
At what time does Overwatch become playable? I've heard that it becomes playable at 4:00 EST
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