Remember. Everyone has a counter. That is how the game is made. If you can't kill a Mei at least try and switch to a character that can.
Like I go Winston when a Widowmaker is pissing me off. (Which is all the damn time holy shit.)
Mei needs a nerf not because of her cryo or freeze, but her combined kit is just way too powerful
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;50367850]Remember. Everyone has a counter. That is how the game is made. If you can't kill a Mei at least try and switch to a character that can.
Like I go Winston when a Widowmaker is pissing me off.[/QUOTE]
I cannot agree enough, your counters, skill with a hero and understanding of the map are so important.
I really should get into more of the support classes so i can learn more about the team synergies.
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[QUOTE=Novangel;50367869]Mei needs a nerf not because of her cryo or freeze, but her combined kit is just way too powerful[/QUOTE]
For the sake of discussion, let's go over Mei's abilities:
-Absolutely destroys in close-range engagements, and slows enemies down before freezing them
-High damage long-range icicle that can even be used to engage snipers, deals 150~ damage on headshot
-Ice block that massively heals her, and makes her invulnerable during the healing period
-Ice wall that can be used to to block off an enemy from reaching you, and allow you to escape after coming out of the ice block
I feel like if they removed just 1 of these things she would be totally fine, but she's [i]so[/i] versatile right now, I'm just not sure about her yet. Some more playtime after release should help everyone reach a conclusion about her.
The only one I can see go is her right click . Or have it to where the right click has damage drop off.
She is a defensive character so her wall is here to stay.
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;50367907]The only one I can see go is her right click .[/QUOTE]
To be replaced with what tho?
A snowball grenade?
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;50367929]To be replaced with what tho?
A snowball grenade?[/QUOTE]
Who says it needs to be replaced?
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The only change I wouldn't be upset about to Mei would be the right click
Either reduce the damage so it can't one shot Tracer/Zen, or reduce the damage on unfrozen targets, with the bonus damage being applied only on frozen targets.
[QUOTE=ZnT00;50367935]Who says it needs to be replaced?[/QUOTE]
Well that would be cruel, everyone else has a few neat tricks like hers (afaik)
[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;50367947]The only change I wouldn't be upset about to Mei would be the right click
Either reduce the damage so it can't one shot Tracer/Zen, or reduce the damage on unfrozen targets, with the bonus damage being applied only on frozen targets.[/QUOTE]
I feel like if a Mei headshots me with that while I'm blinking they deserve it. Most just try to LMB me with the skill beam.
[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;50367947]The only change I wouldn't be upset about to Mei would be the right click
Either reduce the damage so it can't one shot Tracer/Zen, or reduce the damage on unfrozen targets, with the bonus damage being applied only on frozen targets.[/QUOTE]
Or just make it harder to use. The problem is that reliably hitting headshots with it is piss easy.
[QUOTE=Gunzers6;50365722]Reminds me of that one pic where that dude was saying he had a dream of a poster with all the Overwatch girls with the word "Lesbians" under it, and then it turned into people editing that picture into ridiculous things.[/QUOTE]
That's the point.
[QUOTE=Altimor;50367968]I feel like if a Mei headshots me with that while I'm blinking they deserve it[/QUOTE]
You're right, some skilful icicle snipes might deserve the kill, but then there will be times where a Mei is just spamming icicles at range and might luckily tag you. Maybe the damage drop-off suggestion was the best option.
[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;50367975]You're right, some skilful icicle snipes might deserve the kill, but then there will be times where a Mei is just spamming icicles at range and might luckily tag you. Maybe the damage drop-off suggestion was the best option.[/QUOTE]
The right click already has damage drop off.
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well just reduce the damage on unfrozen targets then
she's not meant to be a sniper
I'll say this much, a lower damage snowball projectile would certainly seem more in line with Mei's character than impaling people with high speed icicles.
[QUOTE=Rufia;50368007]I'll say this much, a lower damage snowball projectile would certainly seem more in line with Mei's character than impaling people with high speed icicles.[/QUOTE]
Mei is a deranged executioner and you can't tell me otherwise.
Mei is Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
[URL="https://youtu.be/DmuWoA5sbZE?t=480"]This is exactly what I think about Mei.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Altimor;50368010]Mei is a deranged executioner and you can't tell me otherwise.[/QUOTE]
The world is worth fighting for!
[i]stabs enemy in the face with an ice spike[/i]
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;50367729]So some Chinese comapny announced a new FPS today.
[t]http://imgur.com/DFzZ6l5.jpg[/t]
[t]http://imgur.com/KxhaAm7.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Not surprising. Bootlegs like this are pretty common thanks to China's laws.
I feel like Mei's really cute design and character overall yet still dangerous to fight against on the battlefield was 101% what the developers were going for and I love her for it. It wouldn't nearly be the same if she were a Pyro-esque character or even literally the Pyro with a cryo gimmick instead of fire like what they had going with originally, it would just be too generic otherwise.
Out of every character they could have stole. Mei didn't strike them as someone they could steal?
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;50367729]So some Chinese comapny announced a new FPS today.
[t]http://imgur.com/DFzZ6l5.jpg[/t]
[t]http://imgur.com/KxhaAm7.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I wish there was something we could do about this
I think Mei would be more balanced if her primary fire just slowed enemies down and didn't outright freeze them at all.
She'd still be able to slow enemies down, opening them up for her team, but without being some OP queen of 1v1 despite her being a defensive hero.
[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;50367837]because people are treating it as if you can just activate cryo freeze in the middle of 3 enemies and somehow escape that situation because the ability is op
it's nowhere near as strong as people are suggesting, it's mainly good for 1v1 engagements which is already Mei's specialty
it's like people die to Mei 1v1 as a character like Genji or Widowmaker and start claiming she's overpowered[/QUOTE]
The rest of Mei's team exists though. While she's invulnerable and healing for nearly her entire fucking health bar, the rest of her team can easily just walk over and fight off anyone who wants to camp around and wait for her to thaw out.
This is actually part of the reason why I don't get how Reaper is a counter. Like I'm sure he probably is, I just don't get it myself. The whole point of being a flanker is that you sneak around the back, really quickly do a lot of damage to supports and other backliners, then run away before the rest of the team reacts and pushes your asshole in.
I've never gotten the impression that long engagements are supposed to be Reaper's strong suit, which is exactly what Mei [i]forces[/i] every fight she's in to be, nor have I gotten the impression that he's supposed to be good at fighting multiple enemies, and Mei can easily stall for all the time in the world for a teammate to come around and swat Reaper away.
If Reaper tries to kill Mei, doesn't that mean that 1. he's not actually doing his job right because he's not shooting supports or other players that would actually be useful to kill and that he can kill quickly and 2. that the moment she starts taking damage, she can just pop ice block, regain all her health, pivot around and drop a wall, and just have someone else on her team come over and tell Reaper to fuck off over the course of the like 10 seconds it's taking him to try to kill this Mei?
Help me out here.
[QUOTE=Geikkamir;50368178]I've never gotten the impression that long engagements are supposed to be Reaper's strong suit, which is exactly what Mei [i]forces[/i] every fight she's in to be[/QUOTE]
This is not the case if you kill her faster than she freezes you
in a sustained burst of tracer vs mei, mei won every time
[QUOTE=Altimor;50368181]This is not the case if you kill her faster than she freezes you[/QUOTE]
She doesn't [i]have[/i] to freeze you, she just has to not die until her team can react to what's happening, which is piss easy with her ice block and wall.
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