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Quick Match MMing is fucking balls regardless of whatever argument you want to present.

[QUOTE=Camper99;48465773]So you're basically blaming the game for being bad because you live in a too small country and you cannot find enough people who are reliable enough to play the game? how's that the games fault.[/QUOTE] I think most of the issue with communication is about Blizzard considering Russia "europe" when it should be paired with asia. Most of the countries in Europe can communicate with oneanother through the English (French, German and Spanish as secondaries) language, worst case scenario many languages can be very similar, I have a friend on hearthstone who is from portugal and only speak portuguese, but since I speak Spanish we can more or less comprehend eachothers directions. Russia however does not even use the alphabet. Most of europe cannot comprehend them, yet they are among the largest playerbases in the EU server which makes things excessively hard for us. Not that the America server has any less of a problem as far as I know, they have BRBRBRBRBR. But at least brazilians use the alphabet and many who can speak English will actually try to communicate with you.

Pulled off my first Slapathur today. [url]http://gfycat.com/MajesticHighlevelLangur[/url] I was mildly proud.

[QUOTE=Liliana_L;48474373]Pulled off my first Slapathur today. [url]http://gfycat.com/MajesticHighlevelLangur[/url] I was mildly proud.[/QUOTE] Moments like this make me wish for all talk.

Well, the problem is, I really can't understand what you're going on about. I mostly just play quickmatch, because in hero league I can never be sure that I can pick what I want because obviously I have to adapt to my team, but I never experienced any of the problems you're referencing to. Of course, when playing Quick match you're risking that you get paired with a team that just doesn't understand how the game works, but honestly, that's just how it is in EVERY moba. Not just Heroes of the storm. I also stumbled upon completly incompetent mates in League of Legends and Dota2 aswell. I just dislike the fact that you call the game bad or not able to get matched with good teams, because that happens in every moba. Sometimes you get a crappy team and yes, blizzard could do improvements to the matchmaking but it's not nearly as worse as it gets displayed here sometimes. and seeing as it was released to public like 1 month ago, in my opinion it's far too early to go "omg blizzards matchmaking is so fucked up, they don't care that I live in a small country and get paired with russians". Not every russian is a bad player and if I'm not mistaken you're able to change the server you're playing on every time. So if you really just can't stand the russian players, just switch to the american server. Of course your ping will suffer but it's not like you can't play at all. It's still better than going "uhh this game sucks, the matchmaking is poorly programmed, I better stop playing." That said, Suakeli, sorry if I was appearing rude. I was just hoping to bring some solutions to improve your experience with the game, but I didn't mean any offence. It's just that the game is propably far from being finished, also in terms of matchmaking so please don't drop it yet. It can only get better even though I already think that it's pretty good as it is right now.

Switching servers also isn't viable because I'm pretty sure all your progress is tied to your server it's not a good system

[QUOTE=Liliana_L;48474631]Switching servers also isn't viable because I'm pretty sure all your progress is tied to your server it's not a good system[/QUOTE] Well, I don't know, since I never felt the need to do so, but if that is actually true, then I take back much of the things I said earlier.

[QUOTE=Camper99;48474607]Well, the problem is, I really can't understand what you're going on about. I mostly just play quickmatch, because in hero league I can never be sure that I can pick what I want because obviously I have to adapt to my team, but I never experienced any of the problems you're referencing to. Of course, when playing Quick match you're risking that you get paired with a team that just doesn't understand how the game works, but honestly, that's just how it is in EVERY moba. Not just Heroes of the storm. I also stumbled upon completly incompetent mates in League of Legends and Dota2 aswell. I just dislike the fact that you call the game bad or not able to get matched with good teams, because that happens in every moba. Sometimes you get a crappy team and yes, blizzard could do improvements to the matchmaking but it's not nearly as worse as it gets displayed here sometimes. and seeing as it was released to public like 1 month ago, in my opinion it's far too early to go "omg blizzards matchmaking is so fucked up, they don't care that I live in a small country and get paired with russians". Not every russian is a bad player and if I'm not mistaken you're able to change the server you're playing on every time. So if you really just can't stand the russian players, just switch to the american server. Of course your ping will suffer but it's not like you can't play at all. It's still better than going "uhh this game sucks, the matchmaking is poorly programmed, I better stop playing."[/QUOTE] I feel like the biggest problem this game has is we have no real way to measure how good someone is, so we think the matchmaking is worse than it probably is. Ranked is a joke, you can five man (or four man after the patch) queue to inflate the fuck out of your solo rank. Not to mention the visible ranks are not an accurate representation of our invisible mmr, so people can think they are better/worse than they actually are. To be fair blizzard is fixing this next patch but at the moment it's still a point of pain. Plus our third party solution is an equal joke. A self-reported statistic site that even at it's best is inaccurate. So we have two sources of inaccurate data that makes people go, "Oh man this shit matchmaking put me in a game with this dumb rank 30 guy (even though their mmr is the same) when I'm rank 10." It gives people the impression that the matchmaking is way worse than it actually is most of the time. So I can understand where the complaints are coming from but I agree that it's not as bad as most people say. Sadly the complaints will continue until we get an api and/or until we get a decent ranked system for solo players.

[QUOTE=Camper99;48474607]Well, the problem is, I really can't understand what you're going on about. I mostly just play quickmatch, because in hero league I can never be sure that I can pick what I want because obviously I have to adapt to my team, but I never experienced any of the problems you're referencing to. Of course, when playing Quick match you're risking that you get paired with a team that just doesn't understand how the game works, but honestly, that's just how it is in EVERY moba. Not just Heroes of the storm. I also stumbled upon completly incompetent mates in League of Legends and Dota2 aswell. I just dislike the fact that you call the game bad or not able to get matched with good teams, because that happens in every moba. Sometimes you get a crappy team and yes, blizzard could do improvements to the matchmaking but it's not nearly as worse as it gets displayed here sometimes. and seeing as it was released to public like 1 month ago, in my opinion it's far too early to go "omg blizzards matchmaking is so fucked up, they don't care that I live in a small country and get paired with russians". Not every russian is a bad player and if I'm not mistaken you're able to change the server you're playing on every time. So if you really just can't stand the russian players, just switch to the american server. Of course your ping will suffer but it's not like you can't play at all. It's still better than going "uhh this game sucks, the matchmaking is poorly programmed, I better stop playing." That said, Suakeli, sorry if I was appearing rude. I was just hoping to bring some solutions to improve your experience with the game, but I didn't mean any offence. It's just that the game is propably far from being finished, also in terms of matchmaking so please don't drop it yet. It can only get better even though I already think that it's pretty good as it is right now.[/QUOTE] While I'm still a bit baffled by your argument "The game is flawless and it's your fault you're living in a country smaller than Germany", I appreciate the apology. "Quick match you're risking that you get paired with a team that just doesn't understand how the game works" That wasn't my point at all. I never said "I'm paired with bad people", I meant that HotS doesn't allow any possibility of picking your hero based on your team. By "communication" I didn't mean ingame chat, I meant the team building phase in LoL (Edit: forgot that Hero league has that too) where you see that your team has 3 healers and 2 tanks and you can say "Hey X, could you take someone with high damage? We don't need 3 healers". Or do it yourself and pick a damage dealer. The nature of Quick Match forces you to play jack-of-all-trades classes because the risk of getting a bad team composition (not a team of bad players, but like a team of 3 supports and 2 specialists) is too high with supports. Edit: I know this issue doesn't exist in Hero League and Team League, I just think that Quick Match should work like LoL's Team Builder. Team builder is basically like HotS's Quick Match, you pick a hero and the game tries to find a suitable team for you. The biggest difference between Team Builder and QM is that TB shows you the team you're about to join. If the team builder has failed and the team looks like crap, you have 10 seconds (or something) to refuse and queue again. I think that being able to leave a horrible looking team before the game starts would be a great addition to Quick Match.

I have played a couple games of Bones Jones and I must say I love the guy. He is a lot like Murky in that he has very low downtime but unlike Murky he's an actual hero. :vs:

[QUOTE=Hammernipples;48477992]I have played a couple games of Bones Jones and I must say I love the guy. He is a lot like Murky in that he has very low downtime but unlike Murky he's an actual hero. :vs:[/QUOTE] murky is actually insanely good Unless if they nerfed since I last played (july) Murky is probably the best counter against heroes like nova, illidan, etc.

I'm not saying he's bad or anything, but he's not really a hero in the sense that Raynor or Lili are in terms of mechanical design. Which is fine, it's more interesting/varied that way.

Murky is insanely good in a teamfight due to him being so focused around AOE and slowing on tier with Jaina, while still being crazy good at siege. The only one who contends with murky on siege damage from my experience is Azmodan. Of course you need to spec into that for it to be so good and you'll be trash in most other cases. Just like vikings, they are considered a joke, but murky and vikings are insane if played by someone who is experienced with the character and knows their place.

Murky is probably the funnest hero I've played in any moba. He can really fuck shit up and cause chaos for the other team.

Hey there, everyone. LoL player here, just started downloading HotS because even though I haven't really played any of the other Blizzard games, HotS seems pretty fun. I've gathered from the OP that it's quicker and more lax than LoL, which sounds pretty nice. Anything I should know about the community(or in general) before I start playing?

The community is less shitty than LoL but it's still shitty since it's a moba. Only advice I'd give you is to make sure you are soaking xp when nothing is going on since xp is shared. Also early kills don't really matter much unless it forces a rotation or leaves the lane empty.

Noted.

[QUOTE=_Vendetta_;48482265]Hey there, everyone. LoL player here, just started downloading HotS because even though I haven't really played any of the other Blizzard games, HotS seems pretty fun. I've gathered from the OP that it's quicker and more lax than LoL, which sounds pretty nice. Anything I should know about the community(or in general) before I start playing?[/QUOTE] I feel like a bunch of the heroes in this game have access to a lot more power than a lot of the champs in LoL. Like LoL gives out these little super soakers to play with while HotS has handguns and DotA has like...automatic rifles. Also I'm not sure how relaxed it actually is in comparison. I mean, sure no items no farming, so it is easier in that way for sure. It is more action packed though. Instead of PvE for 15 minutes you, on most maps, PvE for a few minutes and then jump right into 10-15 minutes of team fights. A lot of being good at this game is map awareness, knowing when to rotate and where, and when to go for objectives/when not to go for objectives. A lot of that is super situational and can't really be typed out in a paragraph or two here. You'll pick it up I'm sure. Also despite not having the latest chat robots designed by Dr. Lyte PhD the chat in this game is super chill compared to LoL. I hardly ever have anyone telling others to kill themselves or any of that shit. Oh and there is a patch tonight, so some shit is gonna be different tomorrow.

[QUOTE=ryfry99;48482528]The community is less shitty than LoL but it's still shitty since it's a moba. Only advice I'd give you is to make sure you are soaking xp when nothing is going on since xp is shared. Also early kills don't really matter much unless it forces a rotation or leaves the lane empty.[/QUOTE] i wouldn't say the community is shittier? in fact i don't see why so many people think mobas have inherently shitty communities. it's not like they naturally appeal to assholes it's the fact that you have to commit almost an hour of your time, sometimes more, to a game where the outcome depends entirely on other people's ability to either cooperate or at least do their own thing well. HoTS games are shorter and more forgiving, which means you get less invested in them, which in turn means less people getting pissed off over nothing (plus there's no allchat for people to taunt others)

Are you trying to argue LoL doesn't have one of the shittiest gaming communities?

[QUOTE=ryfry99;48482891]Are you trying to argue LoL doesn't have one of the shittiest gaming communities?[/QUOTE] yes?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48482863]i wouldn't say the community is shittier? in fact i don't see why so many people think mobas have inherently shitty communities. it's not like they naturally appeal to assholes it's the fact that you have to commit almost an hour of your time, sometimes more, to a game where the outcome depends entirely on other people's ability to either cooperate or at least do their own thing well. HoTS games are shorter and more forgiving, which means you get less invested in them, which in turn means less people getting pissed off over nothing (plus there's no allchat for people to taunt others)[/QUOTE] On the other hand it's way easier to solo carry in LoL compared to this game. So that makes this game more frustrating in that way. Also I don't really see game length as a great excuse. If level of "toxicity" was proportional to game length Dota would be more toxic than LoL, especially since you can surrender in LoL. However LoL still has the shittier community compared to Dota. Honestly I think it's kind of a meme at this point. With how often Dr. Lyte posts about how shit and toxic everyone is he's gotten everyone to believe it. To the point where if fucking anyone says *anything* in that game some idiot will chirp up about how you're being toxic. "Oh that guy didn't tell me how awesome I was doing, he must be one of those toxic people Dr. Lyte told us about." I really think it's only gotten worse. Like yeah sure you'd have a couple more people per day telling you to kill yourself but you'd also have a fucking 1000% less people bitching about how toxic everyone else is while they afk, or die while typing.

I don't know where this belief that Dota's community is less shitty than League's comes from but I think it's obvious why it's somewhat popular on FP given that the Dota community here is like 2 or 3 times as big as the LoL one I don't agree with it at all though. I've experienced the same amount of toxicity in both games (except in Dota you don't know if they're being toxic or just enthusiastic since half the time your team doesn't even speak English), but I wouldn't really blame the community for being shitty, just the style of the game for making them easily irritable But disregarding all that, have you ever heard anyone saying something positive about a specific gaming community? Maybe once or twice but people almost always go on about how "the community ruins the experience" and all that. Seeing someone praise a game for having great players is pretty rare

You don't know shitty communities until you've played Heroes of Newerth for any extended period of time.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48483448]I don't know where this belief that Dota's community is less shitty than League's comes from but I think it's obvious why it's somewhat popular on FP given that the Dota community here is like 2 or 3 times as big as the LoL one[/QUOTE] I mean it's not just a FP thing. Most people on multiple communities, reddit, /vg/, FP, etc all have this belief. Maybe it's just years of Lyte telling everyone how shit people are and no one at Valve saying shit like that? I dunno what it is. [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48483448]I don't agree with it at all though. I've experienced the same amount of toxicity in both games (except in Dota you don't know if they're being toxic or just enthusiastic since half the time your team doesn't even speak English), but I wouldn't really blame the community for being shitty, just the style of the game for making them easily irritable [/QUOTE] Like, that's cool for you dude but you're one person. Not exactly representative of a bigger picture. Also that statement makes no sense at all. "I've experienced the same amount of toxicity." "Half the people don't speak English so I can't tell if they're being toxic." ???????? Like, if there is the "same amount" but you can't understand half of it, I don't think that's really the same. Either they really are being toxic at you but you can't read it so you don't really experience it, or they're not being toxic and you're just making assumptions. Either way you experience less of it. I also really don't think it's the genre. Dota, Smite, HotS, Dawngate, literally any other game in the genre isn't as bad. So is it really the genre or the one community that sometimes spills over into similar games? [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48483448] But disregarding all that, have you ever heard anyone saying something positive about a specific gaming community? Maybe once or twice but people almost always go on about how "the community ruins the experience" and all that. Seeing someone praise a game for having great players is pretty rare[/QUOTE] That means nothing at all. Like I've seen both praise and "the community ruins the experience" about literally every game, even LoL. No game, no community, no group of people in any form ever is going to always be filled with good people. That's kinda how humanity, free thought, and all that kind of shit works. Sometimes people are nice, sometimes they're cunts. You can't point that out about games and be like, "See? There are cunts here! Fucking video games right?" Tons of gaming communities do cool as fuck shit like SGDQ, Child's Play, and several dozen other things of that nature. I really don't see the point you think you were making here. Alright I think I'm done here. Feel free to respond but I doubt I'll reply, don't want to turn this HotS thread into some bullshit about the human condition. :v:

...so, basically, the HotS community is more easygoing than the LoL community?

[QUOTE=Sparrowsluck;48483559]Also that statement makes no sense at all. "I've experienced the same amount of toxicity." "Half the people don't speak English so I can't tell if they're being toxic." ????????[/quote] (It's called a joke) [quote]That means nothing at all. Like I've seen both praise and "the community ruins the experience" about literally every game, even LoL. No game, no community, no group of people in any form ever is going to always be filled with good people. That's kinda how humanity, free thought, and all that kind of shit works. Sometimes people are nice, sometimes they're cunts. You can't point that out about games and be like, "See? There are cunts here! Fucking video games right?" Tons of gaming communities do cool as fuck shit like SGDQ, Child's Play, and several dozen other things of that nature. I really don't see the point you think you were making here. Alright I think I'm done here. Feel free to respond but I doubt I'll reply, don't want to turn this HotS thread into some bullshit about the human condition. :v:[/QUOTE] Why are you getting so worked up over this What I'm saying is that people are more likely to criticize players and label a community as shitty than they are to praise it. I can't see how I could make that any more obvious But anyway, if you're going to call me out on anecdotal evidence then I should say that that's what this entire argument is based on? Unless there's some statistic that tells me LoL's community is objectively shit, it's all about our own personal experiences with the game- and if you say that "oh but big communities agree on it", shouldn't you be asking yourself whether it's not just people perpetuating that image because it's a stigma that's popularly associated with League? You said it yourself, it's basically a meme at this point. If you go into a game hearing all sorts of things about how bad the players are, you're probably going to start saying the same things the moment you encounter a single toxic player (also I have no fucking clue who Lyte is and why you keep bringing him up) [editline]18th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sparrowsluck;48483559]I also really don't think it's the genre. Dota, Smite, HotS, Dawngate, literally any other game in the genre isn't as bad. So is it really the genre or the one community that sometimes spills over into similar games?[/QUOTE] Are you seriously saying it's the LoL community [I]alone[/I] that's toxic and any instance of toxic players is just them "spilling over" into other games? Right before you say that every community is kinda toxic? You do know that's the exact kind of elitism that turns people away from the MOBA genre, right

I don't know anything about other MOBAs' communities, but I don't run into huge bickering assholes very often in HotS.

[QUOTE=_Vendetta_;48482265]Hey there, everyone. LoL player here, just started downloading HotS because even though I haven't really played any of the other Blizzard games, HotS seems pretty fun. I've gathered from the OP that it's quicker and more lax than LoL, which sounds pretty nice. Anything I should know about the community(or in general) before I start playing?[/QUOTE] Don't stand still, there is always something to do. At the very least auto-attack some unit, the game even autoselects the next unit that is closest to you if you kill one. There are so many players who just watch the units have a fair fight next to them and die evenly. [editline]18th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48483448]I don't know where this belief that Dota's community is less shitty than League's comes from but I think it's obvious why it's somewhat popular on FP given that the Dota community here is like 2 or 3 times as big as the LoL one I don't agree with it at all though. I've experienced the same amount of toxicity in both games (except in Dota you don't know if they're being toxic or just enthusiastic since half the time your team doesn't even speak English), but I wouldn't really blame the community for being shitty, just the style of the game for making them easily irritable But disregarding all that, have you ever heard anyone saying something positive about a specific gaming community? Maybe once or twice but people almost always go on about how "the community ruins the experience" and all that. Seeing someone praise a game for having great players is pretty rare[/QUOTE] Mate, that LoLs community is the most toxic you'll find out there [I]isn't[/I] something known exclusively among facepunch users. I've met people who don't even play PC games and have heard of the abomination known as the LoL community.

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