Killing Floor v8 - Come Out, Come Out Little Pigs! - Games

Put some balancing, gunslister, maps, little tweaks here and there, zed-conomy and it'll be an OK update Edit: and the Patriarch too

people seem to be overreacting so much over this. its not the end of the world. yea it fucking blows that they did this before they 'finished' the game, but I guess its better that they do this and constantly have the funds to continue making the game. this is the most minor of things and might actually grow the game similar to dota 2, csgo, and tf2 drawing people in because of their own similar systems. I can't believe people are quitting over cosmetics, and flaming them this hard. not to mention im sure this took relatively little manpower since most of the things are community made. I doubt they turned their entire attention over to this.

[QUOTE=Bokito;49173088]I don't really get why anoyone would defend shitty microtransactions like this when the game isn't even halfway done and is lacking in even some basic gameplay stuff.[/QUOTE]never buying another early access game again tbh i thought this one was going to be different, but maybe i should've seen it coming with some of the stuff that was placed as dlc in kf1

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49174464]If you donate just 5 dollars in skins a day, you can symbolically adopt a Tripwire.. They're not hurting for cash. They are an embarrassment.[/QUOTE] just because a company itself isn't 'hurting for cash' doesn't mean that game development will happen forever. its just cosmetics anyways. whats the big deal, really? this is the same type of 'outrage' that happens in games like csgo and whatever, whenever they get cosmetics added to the game. you know what happens a bit later? it settles down. the game grows by a fuckton. everyone wins. this isn't some xp boosts, or some bonus stat skins like payday. its just some fucking black and red colored guns, not even made by tripwire. I can't believe you people are crying so much over something so...minor.

[QUOTE=Naught;49174454]people seem to be overreacting so much over this. its not the end of the world. yea it fucking blows that they did this before they 'finished' the game, but I guess its better that they do this and constantly have the funds to continue making the game. this is the most minor of things and might actually grow the game similar to dota 2, csgo, and tf2 drawing people in because of their own similar systems. I can't believe people are quitting over cosmetics, and flaming them this hard. not to mention im sure this took relatively little manpower since most of the things are community made. I doubt they turned their entire attention over to this.[/QUOTE] There's also various ethical issues with this. People aren't mad for just one thing.

I've never, ever seen a game where microtransactions have led to further growth of the game for all users, even TF2 basically switched to community content only after the Mannconomy update, where it cost the devs basically nothing to add hats to the game, and eventually seem to have stopped making much content themselves at all.

[QUOTE=PotatoArmada;49174493]There's also various ethical issues with this. People aren't mad for just one thing.[/QUOTE] yea, I get that. putting in some sort of cosmetic dealio before the game is finished sucks. they did that with dota 2 and no one complained after a few days. hell, dota 2 still isn't finished and look where its at now. its not that big of a deal that you need to go batshit over it and say that tripwire has abandoned you and all you stand for. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeos;49174539]I've never, ever seen a game where microtransactions have led to further growth of the game for all users, even TF2 basically switched to community content only after the Mannconomy update, where it cost the devs basically nothing to add hats to the game, and eventually seem to have stopped making much content themselves at all.[/QUOTE] csgo? dota 2? I mean, dota 2 was pretty popular before that. but csgo wasn't. people said it was a dying game, most pros remained in 1.6. but after their cosmetic updates, the games popularity skyrocketed.

[QUOTE=Naught;49174454]people seem to be overreacting so much over this. its not the end of the world. yea it fucking blows that they did this before they 'finished' the game, but I guess its better that they do this and constantly have the funds to continue making the game. this is the most minor of things and might actually grow the game similar to dota 2, csgo, and tf2 drawing people in because of their own similar systems. I can't believe people are quitting over cosmetics, and flaming them this hard. not to mention im sure this took relatively little manpower since most of the things are community made. I doubt they turned their entire attention over to this.[/QUOTE] You must be new or full of optimism. When you see crates in game... It means only one thing. CASH-GRAB.

What's worse is that game companies are relaying on community work.

[QUOTE=Naught;49174556]yea, I get that. putting in some sort of cosmetic dealio before the game is finished sucks. they did that with dota 2 and no one complained after a few days. hell, dota 2 still isn't finished and look where its at now. its not that big of a deal that you need to go batshit over it and say that tripwire has abandoned you and all you stand for.[/QUOTE] There's also the issue that TWI are now exploiting people with addictions to make some extra dosh. There are ways to support developers and community content creators without exploiting consumers.

[QUOTE=coverop;49174576]You must be new or full of optimism. When you see crates in game... It means only one thing. CASH-GRAB.[/QUOTE] I was there when dota 2 added cosmetics. tf2 added 'sidegrade' things, which sucked. when csgo added cosmetics. I'm neither. I know the risks. I'm not really that happy either, I doubt I'll be buying any of this stuff until the game is actually done. but not everything is one dimensional like that, its not a cash grab automatically.

Can you obtain said cosmetics through normal gameplay? If so, then I don't see the big deal. If not, then yeah. It sucks that they implemented such a system when the game isn't even finished yet. I probably won't be touching the game until it's finished if this is the case, and it's not like that won't be hard to do, given how infrequently they update the damn thing. Either way, I think there's a bit of extremism on both sides. It's not like they pulled an Overkill and stated the game wouldn't have them. If anything, given how KF1 went, it was expected that Tripwire would pull this at some point. It really seems like Tripwire should not have bothered with Early Access though, especially given their words of "doing Early Access right." Let's just hope they communicate with the community regarding this in a way that doesn't come off as confrontational.

As far as I know some wep skins can be obtained from drops Cosmetics? No idea

[QUOTE=Rahu X;49174626]Can you obtain said cosmetics through normal gameplay?[/QUOTE] The FAQ said that only the ~exceedingly rare special items~ are locked to crates, everything else can be a loot drop. Who wants to bet the drop rate for them is ~exceedingly~ low?

Okay, so I get you guys are mad. You're entitled to be upset, but this [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49174397]If anyone can find a loophole to refund this game on Steam, please let me know. This is not the game I bought.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Toy_Soldier;49172035]Can I refund a game for the reason "bullshit"?[/QUOTE] is straight childish behavior and perpetuates the idea that gamers act entitled. Payday 2 had grounds to stand on with the gear presenting clear advantages, along with the promise of never putting MT's in the game. Is this a shitty move? Yeah it is. Maybe it'll bring in enough money where we get more free content. I know that's an optimistic thought, but I don't want to jump to the worst conclusion just yet.

Gk99 has the right to be upset for a multitude of reasons and is refunding for a legitimate reason.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49174874]Gk99 has the right to be upset for a multitude of reasons and is refunding for a legitimate reason.[/QUOTE] Okay, you're right I misread his one. Lemme remove his bit. Edit: Fixed.

[QUOTE=Mr_Ripper;49174868]Okay, so I get you guys are mad. You're entitled to be upset, but this is straight childish behavior and perpetuates the idea that gamers act entitled. Payday 2 had grounds to stand on with the gear presenting clear advantages, along with the promise of never putting MT's in the game. Is this a shitty move? Yeah it is. Maybe it'll bring in enough money where we get more free content. I know that's an optimistic thought, but I don't want to jump to the worst conclusion just yet.[/QUOTE] how is it childish to refund a product you are not happy with?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49174896]"Bring in more free content" It's like people have forgotten it's still in early access. Until they have a full release, we are entitled to content.[/QUOTE] In the future, I mean. The fact is that they've not broken any promise with this development. I understand you're upset and you are completely entitled to that. I don't think you're entitled to a refund, though.

"you can get drops through gameplay no big deal" because it totally works in csgo right, i sure love getting 10 blue spruces, aug storms and sand dunes while anything that looks remotely good only being droppable in crates

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;49174889]how is it childish to refund a product you are not happy with?[/QUOTE] Have they broken any promise with this development? Did they lie to you? Steal from you? Provide you with a product that's anything less than what they talked about? [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49174927]Of course not, that's why I asked for loopholes. I don't see myself playing this game ever again. (Especially not with fallout 4 out, but that's a different story)[/QUOTE] Your willingness to abuse loopholes to get your money back, after you've gotten your money's worth, strikes me as more dishonest than this.

Now that you can refund on Steam, we have the financial equivalent of a rage quit; the rage refund. Payday 2 and KF2 are perfect examples of games that get rage refunded.

[QUOTE=Ziron;49174968]Now that you can refund on Steam, we have the financial equivalent of a rage quit; the rage refund. Payday 2 and KF2 are perfect examples of games that get rage refunded.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately you can only refund if you have under 2 hours of playtime and have only had the game for a few weeks. Most people are not within those parameters.

[QUOTE=Ziron;49174968]Now that you can refund on Steam, we have the financial equivalent of a rage quit; the rage refund. Payday 2 and KF2 are perfect examples of games that get rage refunded.[/QUOTE] Two rules about Refund system - Playtime cannot be higher than 2 hours - You can refund a game within 14 days I tried to refund other scams that I've played less than and hour... but Valve support declined every single one because It was more than 14 days.

[QUOTE=coverop;49174990]Two rules about Refund system - Playtime cannot be higher than 2 hours - You can refund a game within 14 days I tried to refund other scams that I've played less than and hour... but Valve support declined every single one because It was more than 14 days.[/QUOTE] I'd give my left foot to get StarForge refunded.

Man I'm getting pretty tired of the crate system, it's getting abused like crazy now. I just want to play a full game that's good okay, I don't need all this micro-transaction shit, it doesn't do anything but annoy me.

[QUOTE=Tsyolin;49175018]Man I'm getting pretty tired of the crate system, it's getting abused like crazy now. I just want to play a full game that's good okay, I don't need all this micro-transaction shit, it doesn't do anything but annoy me.[/QUOTE] There are few games that Stores in their game. Game such as [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/252490/]Rust[/url] and [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/209080/]Guns of Icarus Online[/url] comes to my mind. Guns of Icarus Online shows you cosmetics for a REALLY cheap price. [t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/560988302849301014/9D9560AE4EC7630B9330A5876566580CDE1B4546/[/t] Look how cheap It is. It just begs you to be purchased. Game is Free To Play.

Now that I think about it, I'm actually a bit more concerned about this than I previously was. This seems like an attempt to one up Overkill at the whole crate thing, but they don't seem to realize that people were more upset about Overkill breaking their promise. It isn't the skins that bother people here. Its the fact that this game isn't even near being completed. At least wait a month or two after the Gunslinger update. Now really isn't a good time to push this kind of content out.

If tripwire wants to make the same mistake as payday 2, then that's fine because I stopped playing payday 2 for just about the same reason. You know what killed Payday 2 for me, the horrible repetitiveness of the gameplay and how it tried to create incentive through cosmetic rewards rather than rewarding gameplay. Sure I could play the easiest map in PD2, quickly level up and get some items and such, but I wasn't having fun doing it. The lack of level diversity and content made for a very boring experience and once they started adding more crap and dlc that was behind paywalls I just quit playing. I'm probably going to play kf2 for a while as long as new perks, game modes, and bosses are FREE. Cosmetics I could honestly care less for so long as they don't change in game meta like more damaging weapons or something. It wasn't the crate system that killed my enjoyment of payday 2, it was the lack of other content that did. Sure this crate system will bring all of the negatives and positives of a player economy but so long as we have a base game (still seriously dumb that this is being implemented while in EA) with new perks, game modes, bosses, and for fucks sake please balance patches, then I'll keep playing. We basically all agree the EA has been abysmal, but I can wait to judge the full game when it releases. Right now it looks bad because I'm tired of hanz and perk imbalances, but so long as it changes by the time of the full release, as in the content I mentioned and they promised to bring, I'll be happy.

All of this is going to blow over within a month and we'll all go back to complaining about updates being slow. This isn't a PD2-type situation, where the devs went back on a promise made earlier; it's just bog-standard cosmetics. Remember how Portal 2 was ruined the day it came out because it had cosmetics you could purchase?