Paradox Interactive Thread: V3 'Check out my sick Germany blob' - Games

I feel like Paradox are viewed in a bad light in this thread sometimes, which is surprising considering they are one of the most generous and most awesome PC devs around. I honestly fail to see how some people can view them as greedy or dirty when they are constantly making piss poor business decisions for the sake of the community. Many companies in this industry would mock paradox for giving us tons of shit for free when they have virtually no competition. Can they make dumb decisions? Sure, but we shouldn't act like they are greedy, dishonest bastards.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49516173]I feel like Paradox are viewed in a bad light in this thread sometimes, which is surprising considering they are one of the most generous and most awesome PC devs around. I honestly fail to see how some people can view them as greedy or dirty when they are constantly making piss poor business decisions for the sake of the community. Many companies in this industry would mock paradox for giving us tons of shit for free when they have virtually no competition. Can they make dumb decisions? Sure, but we shouldn't act like they are greedy, dishonest bastards.[/QUOTE] ah yeah, because that $218.16 worth of DLC for CKII is not greedy in anyway, no siree. Or the $197.13 worth of DLC for EUIV! Especially since much of it should have been rolled into the expansions and not be charged for separately. Definitely not greedy!!!!!! Or the time Johan actually told someone on the PDox forums to fuck himself, after they admitted to balancing for MP, even though a majority of PDox players primarily or exclusively playing the Single Player modes of their games and this individual was politely questioning why that is. And not to mention the ridiculous changes Paradox continues to like to make to their existing games, only bogging them down. India for example, in CKII killed performance for many, many people. Or the new coalitions in CKII, which has now killed any interest I have in CKII. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] Infamy is going to KILL CKII. - It stays over generations - An example, as shown by Zillamaster on page 57 [quote] The Seljuqs have AE for invading (proper CB) Armenia (infidel holding) and nearby Sunnis have a negative opinion about their "infamy".[/quote] This kills expansionism of any sort. Remember when William the Conqueror had a coalition formed against him? Me too. Paradox are the kings of fixing what isn't broken. [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] Especially in a game like CKII, which is focused on internal affairs, not external. They really should have made it more difficult for an Empire to be managed, or wars get more difficult the larger you are, and add in more internal reasons for large empires to be difficult. Not have the AI artificially gang up on you.

On the bright side, the first person to make a "remove infamy" mod is going to immediately hit the front page of the workshop.

Speaking of which I really, really fucking hate how achievements work in Paradox games. You NEED to use Ironman mode, which means you can barely use mods, and iirc for Ironman mode to work correctly you NEED to be connected to the internet. I don't know any other game that has such restrictions on getting achievements. it's dumb.

[QUOTE=bdd458;49516292]ah yeah, because that $218.16 worth of DLC for CKII is not greedy in anyway, no siree. Or the $197.13 worth of DLC for EUIV! Especially since much of it should have been rolled into the expansions and not be charged for separately. Definitely not greedy!!!!!! Or the time Johan actually told someone on the PDox forums to fuck himself, after they admitted to balancing for MP, even though a majority of PDox players primarily or exclusively playing the Single Player modes of their games and this individual was politely questioning why that is. [/QUOTE] Uh, Paradox only make the content DLC, the cosmic DLC and music DLC is produced and sold by fans in a completely separate branch, 90% of paradox dlc is cosmic too. But then again, we do live in a age where everything in gaming is expected to be free. God forbid Paradox support hard working fans by reaching out and allowing them to financially support themselves with their own work. Greedy bastards. Also Johan admitted himself he was being completely out of line (and apologized) and even so he's one dude, not the entirety of Paradox. If Paradox are greedy, people who actively do everything they can to support modding, release patches for old ass games (EU:Rome and more recently Vic 2), put shit tons of content for free in said patches, make sure everyone can play online together regardless of dlc (only the host needs it.) Who in this industry isn't? People bend over for Valve who have done far worse shit than Paradox yet they have a much better reputation, for some reason.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49517122]Uh, Paradox only make the content DLC, the cosmic DLC and music DLC is produced and sold by fans in a completely separate branch, 90% of paradox dlc is cosmic too. [/quote] Where are you getting this idea that the fans make all the cosmetic and music dlc lmao, hint, paradox makes it all. And what do you mean "branch", it's all fucking released on the Steam store. [QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49517122]But then again, we do live in a age where everything in gaming is expected to be free. God forbid Paradox support hard working fans by reaching out and allowing them to financially support themselves with their own work. Greedy bastards. Also Johan admitted himself he was being completely out of line (and apologized) and even so he's one dude, not the entirety of Paradox.[/quote] Ah, it's the "gamer's are entitled babies" argument. Not that I'd rather pay for meaningful content, rather than be charged for garbage and told to lap it up because they release stuff patches. No, it's obviously because I'm entitled and demand everything for free. and again, Paradox makes all that cosmetic and music dlc. not the fans. yeah no sorry, I don't fucking care how much Johan apologizes, he was fucking able to do it in the first place, he doesn't fucking care about the community and that incident shows it. He burned that bridge when the thought even crossed his mind. [QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49517122]If Paradox are greedy, people who actively do everything they can to support modding, release patches for old ass games (EU:Rome and more recently Vic 2), put shit tons of content for free in said patches, make sure everyone can play online together regardless of dlc (only the host needs it.) Who in this industry isn't? People bend over for Valve who have done far worse shit than Paradox yet they have a much better reputation, for some reason.[/QUOTE] "wow you guys aren't sucking their dick they release patches!!!" Where has the "Starving Developer" narrative sprung up from as of late. I see it a lot when people try to defend microtransactions, and now with Paradox DLCs (which are basically microtransactions). It's disgusting that I'm treated as nothing but a wallet. All of those little DLCs should be rolled into the god damn expansions (face packs, unit packs, music packs, coat of arms packs, et cetera) not charged even more for. and for the record, I absolutely detest Valve's microtransaction policies.

[QUOTE=bdd458;49517277]Where are you getting this idea that the fans make all the cosmetic and music dlc lmao, hint, paradox makes it all. And what do you mean "branch", it's all fucking released on the Steam store. [/QUOTE] Paradox South, a separate branch of paradox founded by fans is a team of artists who produce all the cosmetic DLC. They don't operate in Stockholm with the main team. [url]http://career.paradoxplaza.com/jobs/1299-2d-artist[/url] [quote] Ah, it's the "gamer's are entitled babies" argument. Not that I'd rather pay for meaningful content, rather than be charged for garbage and told to lap it up because they release stuff patches. No, it's obviously because I'm entitled and demand everything for free. and again, Paradox makes all that cosmetic and music dlc. not the fans. [/quote] Why should the cosmetic DLC, produced by a different team or "branch" be released for free? Just because you think it's garbage isn't a proper reason. [QUote] yeah no sorry, I don't fucking care how much Johan apologizes, he was fucking able to do it in the first place, he doesn't fucking care about the community and that incident shows it. He burned that bridge when the thought even crossed his mind. [/quote] First of all, I looked back and he didn't say fuck off to anyone. [url] https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2awrx1/johan_andersson_of_paradox_interactive_responds/ [/url] Yeah, Johann was being kinda dickish but he's notorious for having a hot temper and again, he's not the CEO or Community manager, he's just one programmer, hardly represents of the entire company or it's attitude towards the fans. Also MP is rapidly becoming popular, it used to be complete dogshit but now that paradox are actually trying they want to make sure it's balanced for MP. [quote] "wow you guys aren't sucking their dick they release patches!!!" Where has the "Starving Developer" narrative sprung up from as of late. I see it a lot when people try to defend microtransactions, and now with Paradox DLCs (which are basically microtransactions). It's disgusting that I'm treated as nothing but a wallet. All of those little DLCs should be rolled into the god damn expansions (face packs, unit packs, music packs, coat of arms packs, et cetera) not charged even more for.[/QUOTE] Never said you should suck their dick, just that they are generous enough to go back to old ass games that almost no dev would go back and support, and with their spare time, release some fixes and add some features simply because they want to support the game and its players. Victoria II is almost 6 years old and gets no sales now pretty much. Again just because you feel that South's work is shite doesn't mean it should released for free in patches. Plus for the price of a Mc Donald's cheeseburger they aren't exactly asking for much for their work to begin with.

No, I've been saying that the [I]shitty ass pieces of cosmetic and music dlcs that paradox loves to fucking shit out should be rolled into the fucking expansions and not released as separate from them instead of trying to charge consumers even more.[/I] And that's still Paradox that makes them, whether or not it's a different development team doesn't matter. They're not fan made, they're a fucking Paradox team. They get paid a Paradox salary and they get sold as a Paradox product. and while I admit, I misremembered the event slightly he still said fuck off to all the fans. "We're doing it our way and what you think doesn't matter". If he has such a hot fucking temper he shouldn't be dealing with fans then, because there's this thing called "professionalism". He's not just a random programmer btw, he's the fucking Studio Manager. He's high up the chain, he should not have said that in the first place especially because of his position within the company. and btw that thread is a goldmine, I went and checked it myself - those "free Native American events" they added, many of them have the trigger of - has_dlc = "Conquest of Paradise" 15% of Paradox players use MP. 15 god damn percent. It should not be balanced around that (what was that shit they added this last major patch, victory cards or some dumb shit like that? For that fucking minority of MP players).

The patch for Vicky 2 doesn't really reflect on paradox considering it was just three developers doing something when they were bored. Frankly my opinion of Paradox would be much higher if the price of older DLC dropped as new ones came out considering the sheer volume of DLC they release.

HOi4 stream [url]http://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive/v/35210959[/url] Starts about 7 minutes in [editline]13th January 2016[/editline] Seems like the German Version Hitler portrait is now just the normal Hitler portrait, but is shadowed, you can't see his face. [editline]13th January 2016[/editline] Haha, AI Poland Decided not to go to war and ceded Danzig, so they're going to re-load from an Auto save next time and try again.

The reason why coalitions and alike don't fit in CK2 is because CK2 takes place in the early middle ages. Word travelled around slowly, and nobody really gave a shit on what was happening in some distant land unless you were allied. Even then most people cared more about their land than helping out or ganking on someone just because. Anyway, i really could give less fuck about the DLCs or their prices. Look at my ban history and you will see why.

I dunno, I'm abit torn on it. While I see why rulers in the local area wouldn't be too pleased with a giant land gobbling monster popping up on their borders I can't really see a coalition happening. The only time you saw a massive gathering of people fighting with one another for a common goal that early in history was either in the Crusades or various religious wars. I could be wrong on that front, but as far as my history goes I don't recall for example Big Charlie and the Italians fighting Al-Andalusia because it seemed like a threat, and they were quite a massive foreign religious power in Europe.

Coalitions don't belong in games with the Mongols, Caliphates and HRE.

Can't wait for a coalition to stop the Mongols.

i was thinking about installing EU4 again, would I miss out by not owning the 40 or so DLC's? i already have Art of War and Wealth of Nations.

[QUOTE=Saphirx;49526934]i was thinking about installing EU4 again, would I miss out by not owning the 40 or so DLC's? i already have Art of War and Wealth of Nations.[/QUOTE] yes

[QUOTE=Saphirx;49526934]i was thinking about installing EU4 again, would I miss out by not owning the 40 or so DLC's? i already have Art of War and Wealth of Nations.[/QUOTE] You are. If I remember correctly, the AI has full use of development, and without Brave New World, you cannot properly interact with your colonial nations (that spring up with or without your desire)

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49528779]If I remember correctly, the AI has full use of development, [/QUOTE] They don't. At least according to someone on reddit who did a test without the DLC. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/40lsrh/conclave_dev_diary_1/cyvfj5z?context=3[/url]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;49529076]They don't. At least according to someone on reddit who did a test without the DLC. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/40lsrh/conclave_dev_diary_1/cyvfj5z?context=3[/url][/QUOTE] that's good, but I want all the new features (all of them) but in order to get them I have to pay a whooping 80 euro. And that doesn't include some of the music packs that I want.

[QUOTE=Saphirx;49526934]i was thinking about installing EU4 again, would I miss out by not owning the 40 or so DLC's? i already have Art of War and Wealth of Nations.[/QUOTE] Its terrible without the dlc

[QUOTE=Saphirx;49529192]that's good, but I want all the new features (all of them) but in order to get them I have to pay a whooping 80 euro. And that doesn't include some of the music packs that I want.[/QUOTE] You could find the music on youtube and play it in the background :v: I don't even listen to the music in Paradox games, I just play my own or put a youtube video on the second screen.

I enjoy Timelapses [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjv0FJ4ikfc[/media] [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] Also EU4 1.15 Dev Diary [url]https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-dev-diary-january-14th-2016.902300/[/url]

[url]https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hearts-of-iron-iv-40th-development-diary-15th-of-january-2016.902478/[/url] HOI4 DD, they changed how Factories worked, also some stuff about map modes and world tension.

So. Do I start paradox games with EU4 or with Ck2 ?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49542138]So. Do I start paradox games with EU4 or with Ck2 ?[/QUOTE] I would start with EU4. I found it to be far more manageable, but then many paradox games are just different enough that playing one doesn't mean you'll be much good with the other.

Is Cossacks worth to buy guys?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49542138]So. Do I start paradox games with EU4 or with Ck2 ?[/QUOTE] Both are very simple games. Eu4 sucks without Dlc and Ck2 is fine with just the base game. Pick whichever.

EU4 isn't terrible without DLCs but it's certainly closer to EU3 with just enough to make it stand out. EU3 sucks complete fucking nuts as do most paradox games pre CK2. The DLCs really add to the game and are mostly worth it. The good thing is, you can just pick and choose what DLC you like and which ones you don't. Also, CK2 is probably best for newcomers to paradox.

What are some interesting, not to difficult characters to start as in CK2?

[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;49542176]I would start with EU4. I found it to be far more manageable, but then many paradox games are just different enough that playing one doesn't mean you'll be much good with the other.[/QUOTE] I'm good at CK2 and Victoria 2, but I cannot get good at EU4, mainly because I have no idea how the combat works.