The Halo Thread V13: Great, this guy's OP again? - Games

[QUOTE=The Jack;51243945]It's the future Full auto everything. Who needs to aim?[/QUOTE] Because it's a war and you still need to actually hit shit :v:

I miss the 60 round assault rifle. Lots of bullets Lots of spread. Missing ain't that much of an issue.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51242457]So you're saying that it's impossible to point and shoot a gun if you dont have 3 prongs telling you where to aim?[/QUOTE] you have to zero a gun's sights in first, so those three prongs are a little bit more than just pieces of shit sticking off the gun...So...Shooting based off the geometry of the top of the gun will lead to nothing lol.

So it looks like Red vs. Blue is over for real this time… And they've only ever used Halo 2 Anniversary for less than a minute.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;51250574]So it looks like Red vs. Blue is over for real this time…[/QUOTE] No it isn't.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;51250574]So it looks like Red vs. Blue is over for real this time… And they've only ever used Halo 2 Anniversary for less than a minute.[/QUOTE] What makes you say that?

This season was filler while they come up with a new main story, it's not over yet.

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;51251501]This season was filler while they come up with a new main story, it's not over yet.[/QUOTE] well they have story, season 13 ended cliff-hangerish They wanted to try something new for Season 14, I enjoyed it.

Tales from Slipspace is out. For those that don't know, it's like Halo: Fractures in that it's a collection of short stories, except this time it's a collection of short comics. [sp] Flood outbreak on SoF is gone thanks to Jerome, Serina has entered final dispensation but left behind a set of recordings for the crew for any event that could happen. Atriox has a team of badass spec ops Elites who will likely show up in HW2. Cortana may have the Logic Plague and there's going to be some kind of conflict between her and Roland in particular. Fireteam Majestic has a poker night and uses DeMarco's energy sword as a chip, unfortunately none of them killed themselves with it because they're as cringey and annoying as they were last time they showed up.[/sp]

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;51256085]Tales from Slipspace is out. For those that don't know, it's like Halo: Fractures in that it's a collection of short stories, except this time it's a collection of short comics. [sp] Flood outbreak on SoF is gone thanks to Jerome, Serina has entered final dispensation but left behind a set of recordings for the crew for any event that could happen. Atriox has a team of badass spec ops Elites who will likely show up in HW2. Cortana may have the Logic Plague and there's going to be some kind of conflict between her and Roland in particular. Fireteam Majestic has a poker night and uses DeMarco's energy sword as a chip, unfortunately none of them killed themselves with it because they're as cringey and annoying as they were last time they showed up.[/sp][/QUOTE] It stands to reason that she'd be [sp]corrupt from her time with the Gravemind; I thought it was pretty heavily implied in a variety of sources that her lifespan had been shortened or her mental integrity compromised because of it. That said, the "logic plague" along with the geas stuff has always felt like an incredible cop-out to me and I honestly wonder why A) an established science fiction writer like Greg Bear felt the need to introduce these things into his work, and B) why nobody looked at them and went "hey, wait a minute"[/sp]

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51256950]It stands to reason that she'd be [sp]corrupt from her time with the Gravemind; I thought it was pretty heavily implied in a variety of sources that her lifespan had been shortened or her mental integrity compromised because of it. That said, the "logic plague" along with the geas stuff has always felt like an incredible cop-out to me and I honestly wonder why A) an established science fiction writer like Greg Bear felt the need to introduce these things into his work, and B) why nobody looked at them and went "hey, wait a minute"[/sp][/QUOTE] Don't blame Greg Bear for that, it's entirely Bungie's fault. It was first featured in Contact Harvest, then Halo 3 and then Evolutions. Greg was just the person to name it that.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51256950][sp]I honestly wonder why nobody looked at them and went "hey, wait a minute"[/sp][/QUOTE] Post-Bungie Halo in a nutshell

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51242457]So you're saying that it's impossible to point and shoot a gun if you dont have 3 prongs telling you where to aim?[/QUOTE] Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. And sometimes even when you do have sights, they can be really bad and hard to use, which leads you to miss. Imagine not having ANY sights. If it were so easy to hit a target without sights on a rifle, why does every single military weapon in the last 100 years have sights? You'd think if soldiers could hit without sights, militaries would save money by not supplying them. Oh wait, that's because it's not true at all.

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;51257195]Don't blame Greg Bear for that, it's entirely Bungie's fault. It was first featured in Contact Harvest, then Halo 3 and then Evolutions. Greg was just the person to name it that.[/QUOTE] No, both of those things are explicitly 343-era interpretations of things that were vaguely explained or left unexplained and open to interpretation either way. Take 343 Guilty Spark, for a tangentially related example. In Halo 1, he talks to you like you're a Forerunner and you can easily just assume he's nuts. Being isolated on a ring in space probably doesn't do wonders for anyone's mental integrity. In one of the Greg Bear books though (I think), [sp]there's something about him recognizing a geas in John or something about Spark's human past or something like that which could be taken as the cause for him "mistakenly" identifying the Chief.[/sp] Obviously that's official now but it wasn't [I]the[/I] interpretation before. As for [sp]the geas, I think it's a bunch of horseshit that takes away the agency of humanity and every damn character of any significance in this series. What do any of your accomplishments mean if they're fucking programmed into you by ancient aliens? That's what I mean when I wonder why a writer like Greg Bear would have used it. Agency is important in fiction, surely someone like him would recognize that? Especially in a franchise like Halo where it's all about individual heroism and stuff like that. My problem with the logic plague is that I think it detracts from the Gravemind and the Flood to make their manner of corrupting AI basically space magic rather than a supreme command of rhetoric, logic, and persuasion techniques. Before it was basically "this extremely intelligent gestalt entity is able to argue well enough to convince the servants and guardians of its enemies to betray their makers" whereas now it's made out to be the digital equivalent of a virus that just *makes* the AI be on the Flood's side. So now, instead of Cortana having been the victim of the interrogations and predations of an extremely cunning mind, she's basically got an ancient computer STD.[/sp]

I'm not talking about the geas because I agree with you on that, I'm talking about the logic plague. I don't even know what you're going on about anyway. You've described exactly what the logic plague is in both 343 lore and Bungie lore: a supreme command of rhetoric, logic and persuasion techniques. It spread like wildfire because Forerunner ancilla conversed with one another after "infection" and that spread those thoughts and ideas to them as well.

I don't like that 343 made Master Chief into some sort of chosen one. It's such a tired trope, and I don't see what their endgame with that is, but I highly doubt it's going to be good.

I think that's more the fault of poor explanation than anything else. Chief's Geas are the same as everyone else's, he just had luck of the draw (no pun intended) when it came to his genes and the way events unfolded.

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;51262756]I think that's more the fault of poor explanation than anything else. Chief's Geas are the same as everyone else's, he just had luck of the draw (no pun intended) when it came to his genes and the way events unfolded.[/QUOTE] Didn't the librarian say that she basically planned for him to become what he is and set out the "seeds" for such events to unfold? (somehow)

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;51263942]Didn't the librarian say that she basically planned for him to become what he is and set out the "seeds" for such events to unfold? (somehow)[/QUOTE] Yes and no. The Librarian did put a very broad set of Geas across Humanity, but they were things like understanding Forerunner tech and intuition on advancing technology like from combat armor to Mjolnir, and some other stuff immunity to the Composer. What the Librarian had planned was the millennia the Didact spent in his Cryptum would give him time to reflect on things and let the Domain guide him so that he would lead Humanity to take the Mantle. Unfortunately the Domain being Precursor (but also an AI) severely damaged it after the Halo Array fired [sp]until a group of Forerunners returned to Maethrillian and "rebooted" it, leaving it dormant until Halo 5[/sp]. The Covenant and the resulting Flood outbreaks were things no one could have predicted. As she said he's "the culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning", but this was meant to be across humanity rather than a single person. At the end of the day though, it's not just poor explanation on the part of 343 but more that it doesn't fit in Halo's narrative. None of this does.

having only played halo 1 and 2, all this stuff sounds completely ridiculous they should have stuck to the personal stories of the universe where you care about the characters' current predicament instead of trying to one-up the previous game in grandness each time

I can't get a grasp of the storyline after the original trilogy. The lore just got bloated afterwards. The only thing I unsterstand from halo 4 is that [sp] Humans used to be an intergalactic civilization in prehistoric times before the forerunners decided to reset them to stone age technology or some shit. Apparently erasing all traces of ancient high-tech humanity in the proces [/sp]

Biggest mistake was the Forerunner saga and the Kilo-Five books. If you need to make six books to flesh out and explain everything behind a new game you're doing a terrible job.

Where the fuck does precursor tech come into this? Is it even explained in the games?

There's some references in Halo 3's Terminals to the Precursors themselves, but beyond that AFAIK there's none. The Precursors were so advanced that their structures were woven into the fabric of the universe, and were in fact alive and had nervous systems. Because of this, when the Halo Array fired all Precursor tech was destroyed except the Domain for some reason, which instead was left severely damaged and broken. The Domain is alive, it is both sentient and sapient [sp]and defended by a Precursor AI named Abaddon[/sp] and does what it can to shape the universe for the better, with certain knowledge or sections of it becoming off-limits and other knowledge brought to the forefront. The Didact didn't just have a hate-boner for humanity for the sake of being space Voldemort. At some point during the Forerunner-Flood war he was captured and tortured by the Gravemind, but not infected by it because the Gravemind knew he would cause more harm by returning to Forerunner society than becoming part of the Flood. And the Gravemind was right, because the Didact fucked up the Librarian's plans on a lot of occasions over the Mantle and is the reason she realized how flawed a concept the Mantle is. When the Librarian locked away the Didact, it was her intention that with his Cryptum's connection to the Domain he would have time to reflect and be healed by the Domain over the coming millennia and help lead Humanity into the Reclamation. Since the Domain was rebooted but not fully restored, he was left to stew in his madness for a hundred millennia.

[QUOTE=krail9;51265677]having only played halo 1 and 2, all this stuff sounds completely ridiculous they should have stuck to the personal stories of the universe where you care about the characters' current predicament instead of trying to one-up the previous game in grandness each time[/QUOTE] I really miss the tone of ODST and Reach where it is just the stories of these soldiers and what they went through, or even just the original trilogy where it was just the story of this badass warrior and how he won the day. It was cheesy and campy, but still with a serious tone and setting. Now its bogged down in destiny and fate and all this other shit thats been piled on, along with the EXTREMELY fleshed out Forerunners (which is a mistake imo, they lost all the mystic they had) and its lost all the charm of the older games. I dont think 343 Master Chief would spout one liners about giving the Covenant back their bomb then proceed to FLY A FUCKING BOMB INTO A COVENANT SPACESHIP. Nah, now he'll just mope about how he misses Cortana and that shes evil now and he wants her back.

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;51261816]I'm not talking about the geas because I agree with you on that, I'm talking about the logic plague. I don't even know what you're going on about anyway. You've described exactly what the logic plague is in both 343 lore and Bungie lore: a supreme command of rhetoric, logic and persuasion techniques. It spread like wildfire because Forerunner ancilla conversed with one another after "infection" and that spread those thoughts and ideas to them as well.[/QUOTE] I hate to admit this, but [sp]I've only read the wiki - however, everything I'm seeing on there indicates that it's literally a virus and not just persuasive rhetoric. There's stuff about "self-replicating information patterns" and stuff like that, which is... basically memes? Space memes?[/sp] On a somewhat related note, I actually don't mind the way the Precursors or their technology are portrayed. I like the idea of [sp]making the universe itself into your computer and all the other weird engineering they did.[/sp] That said, I also think Halo should have kept its focus tight and gone a little more political rather than replacing the Covenant with Forerunners.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51266798]I hate to admit this, but [sp]I've only read the wiki - however, everything I'm seeing on there indicates that it's literally a virus and not just persuasive rhetoric. There's stuff about "self-replicating information patterns" and stuff like that, which is... basically memes? Space memes?[/sp] On a somewhat related note, I actually don't mind the way the Precursors or their technology are portrayed. I like the idea of [sp]making the universe itself into your computer and all the other weird engineering they did.[/sp] That said, I also think Halo should have kept its focus tight and gone a little more political rather than replacing the Covenant with Forerunners.[/QUOTE] It's a shame on that last point, because that's exactly what Halo 5 was going to be before rewrites, if 'Hunt the Truth' is any indication. Does anyone know why it was rewritten?

Nope. There's some theories regarding Microsoft interfering with development, but apart from that the most we know is that Chris Schlerf (lead writer for Halo 4) and most of the writing team left, leaving Brian Reed, Frank O'Connor and two others to work on it. EDIT: Loot Crate #2 is out, and I already regret not buying it. [IMG_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/Ms9YO6g.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/lXDQ30Z.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/ZIxBksC.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/DEqeKMd.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/988MDP5.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/fRo5qFy.jpg[/IMG_thumb] Full album including new story info: [url]https://imgur.com/gallery/Zu9we[/url] To summarize the new lore: [sp]The rest of Vergil and Johnson's chat at the end of ODST is here in a transcript. Vergil seems to think the Forerunners will return when the Halos are fired again, but he also believes that he will be spared from it, so it's probably Covenant bullshit he believes. It's kind of sad, actually, the only reason they helped the Covenant was because they thought their masters would come back.[/sp] There's a bunch of stuff to do with the Battle of Earth, but I didn't find anything interesting from skim-reading it. There's also a profile on Buck that was delivered to Parangosky.

That new transcript sounds like a bad fanfic. Why do they keep doing this?

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;51266969] Loot Crate #2 is out, and I already regret not buying it. [IMG_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/fRo5qFy.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [/QUOTE] That print is actually god-like.