The Halo Thread V13: Great, this guy's OP again? - Games

[QUOTE=optimussentinel;51771338]The first cutscene of Spartan Ops[/QUOTE] Im honestly surprised it didnt explode after trying that due to it's track record. Didn't it get EMP'd shortly after?

Did spartan Ops's story get any good? I played... i think it was either the first season or the first two. I remember getting annoyed at the characters You know how James Cameron does this vietnam stuff where he likes to make Gung-ho soldiers with the best tech who are in way over their heads all the time? It was like that, except everyone was saved by technology. Like the guy (I think it was the black guy, which I think there was only one of) just takes a shot to the chest. I wanna see good spartans. You know vader at the end of Rogue 1? Spartans need those kind of scenes, where they're fast, heavy, professional killing machines. Not Cameron rejects or [I]The Avengers[/I]

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51771123]When does the Infinity not get trashsd honestly[/QUOTE] it should just get destroyed permanently, it's such a lame ship

What they should do is make it actually seem like a big part of Halo 6, like it could maybe help against the created and turn the tide, and then have it go down in flames, to actually give us a more satisfying feeling when we do actually win.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51771827]Did spartan Ops's story get any good? I played... i think it was either the first season or the first two. I remember getting annoyed at the characters You know how James Cameron does this vietnam stuff where he likes to make Gung-ho soldiers with the best tech who are in way over their heads all the time? It was like that, except everyone was saved by technology. Like the guy (I think it was the black guy, which I think there was only one of) just takes a shot to the chest. I wanna see good spartans. You know vader at the end of Rogue 1? Spartans need those kind of scenes, where they're fast, heavy, professional killing machines. Not Cameron rejects or [I]The Avengers[/I][/QUOTE] The black guy's name is Hoya and you can sort of blame him getting taken down in one hit thanks to general inexperience in being a Spartan IV and fighting prometheans One of things I liked about the Spartan Ops cutscenes is that in a couple of them, the question of Spartan IVs actually being what would be considered Spartans is called into question, particularly in a conversation between Thorne and Halsey where Thorne asks if Halsey even thinks IVs are capable of being Spartans and her response is "Some of you more than others" The way I see it, MOST of the Spartan IVs are just upgraded ODSTs but enough experience makes them a Spartan. I think 343 very clearly want to show a divide between IVs and other Spartans, just compare Blue Team to Osiris. Blue team has sibling like bonds that they've shared their entire lives and they've grown up fighting and gone through the augmentations the hard way, whereas Osiris have just been noteworthy soldiers that got a quick upgrade

One my personal favorite parts of Halo 5's campaign is still the entrances of two the fireteams, just for what is says about them as a team. Osiris are the Avengers, they're these cocky soldiers with new abilities and a need to use em to their fullest. And then there's Blue Team who does only what they have to and doesn't even need to say a word to eachother.

I do kinda hope we get to see more Spartan 3's at some point as surely there's still a few alive. They were my favorite of the four groups, teenagers sent on suicide missions with shit armor and needing meds to keep mental issues in check. S1's were a failed experiment, S2's are the definition of a supersoldier, S3's give a pretty reckless vibe and S4's are pretty lame with a few exceptions. Can't wait for it when 343 starts making S4 Mk. II or S5's or something

S4's are basically just ODSTs on steroids.

i kinda like the spartan-IVs

[QUOTE=Wulfram;51773542]S4's are basically just ODSTs on steroids.[/QUOTE] Not correct. They should be by all accounts but time and time again 343 has denied this parallel and has even said that S4s are equal to S2s which is laughable and delusional.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;51773888]S4s are equal to S2s which is laughable and delusional.[/QUOTE] In armour, they have the edge if we're talking GEN1 vs GEN2 because of the suits being better, but IIs are undeniably stronger than IVs out of the suit. I think the idea of IV's being weaker generally comes from the whole upgraded ODST argument and the fact that IVs are mass producable as a result of the whole not-kidnapping-kids thing. With so many "supersoldiers" they start to look expendable. I think a major part of the problem is that the backstory to the Spartan IV program just isn't as cool as II or III That said, saying an IV can take a II on in armour is legit fucking stupid because... [t]http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/f/f1/Johnandpalmer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121111125304[/t]

[QUOTE=Rascovinne;51774110]In armour, they have the edge if we're talking GEN1 vs GEN2 because of the suits being better, but IIs are undeniably stronger than IVs out of the suit. I think the idea of IV's being weaker generally comes from the whole upgraded ODST argument and the fact that IVs are mass producable as a result of the whole not-kidnapping-kids thing. With so many "supersoldiers" they start to look expendable. I think a major part of the problem is that the backstory to the Spartan IV program just isn't as cool as II or III That said, saying an IV can take a II on in armour is legit fucking stupid because... [t]http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/f/f1/Johnandpalmer.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121111125304[/t][/QUOTE]this is why the fight between Chief and Locke was lame. Chief should have pummelled Locke into mush.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;51773476]I do kinda hope we get to see more Spartan 3's at some point as surely there's still a few alive. They were my favorite of the four groups, teenagers sent on suicide missions with shit armor and needing meds to keep mental issues in check. S1's were a failed experiment, S2's are the definition of a supersoldier, S3's give a pretty reckless vibe and S4's are pretty lame with a few exceptions. Can't wait for it when 343 starts making S4 Mk. II or S5's or something[/QUOTE] You're in luck... sort of. Legacy of Onyx comes out in January next year, Lucy and Tom are set to be major characters again. Honestly, 343's problem isn't that they can't make good Halo content (the EU and H5 multiplayer are flourishing), it's that whenever they have the opportunity to prove themselves with it they either don't quite make it or completely fail.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;51773888]Not correct. They should be by all accounts but time and time again 343 has denied this parallel and has even said that S4s are equal to S2s which is laughable and delusional.[/QUOTE] I meant in terms of personality. Where S2's and even S3's are very quiet and reserved and focused on the mission at hand but don't seem to talk much beyond that aside from conversation with their own, S4's are basically over the top jarheads that also just so happen to have augmentations. I can accept the augmentation process being optimized in the 30-40 years since the S2s were made to the point where someone who isn't a genetically perfect match can be made to be almost as strong as an S2, but the S4's don't have the lifetime of rigorous training and indoctrination that the S2s and S3s had that make them perfect soldiers. The only thing that bothers me about S4s is the armour and how modular it is and how every spartan seems to have a custom set. I know it started in Reach but I liked how at least in Reach, Noble team was very unique and unlike other Spartans and they had the most top of the line gear and probably had access to a lot of experimental shit and there were only 6 of them. In Halo 4 and on, theres hundreds of S4s and they all have unique customized armour. Now modern special forces will buy their own gear or have things custom made for them, but they dont wear the equivalent of a $100,000,000 fighter jet for gear. It made more sense to me for the Spartans to have standardized armour, with maybe more specialized attachments they could bolt onto it to fulfill special functions, like how the S2's had.

Well ultimately S4's can never surpass S2's simply because of the insane genetic marker requirements the S2 project had. As mentioned in Fall of Reach, those kids would have become great leaders, genius physicists, Olympic athletes and basically were the top tier of humanity as far as genetic potential went. The augmentations for S4's are very safe but they don't produce the same physical results as the deadlier S2 and S3 augs either. The armor bridges the gap, but drop an S3 or S2 into Mjolnir gen2 and they'll surpass the S4's once again. The training and conditioning are just a bonus on top of that.

I imagined ODSTs to be more professional than spartan IVs as shown Like they talk smack and all, but when you get down to the fighting, deadly serious. Marines have got to be pretty well trained to be equal to covenant too. 7-9 foot tall, energy shielded monstrosities have got to be a moral shock. The avengers shit was a bit much. Maybe a bit more hard brutality too it. Not every Spartan has to be doomguy, but if you're going to be showing off your abilities, you shouldn't be distracting your allies, and you should be terrorizing the enemy.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51775716]I imagined ODSTs to be more professional than spartan IVs as shown Like they talk smack and all, but when you get down to the fighting, deadly serious. Marines have got to be pretty well trained to be equal to covenant too. 7-9 foot tall, energy shielded monstrosities have got to be a moral shock. [/QUOTE] Marines are [I]nothing[/I] compared to an Elite. There is literally no comparison between the two. All a Marine has is a dinky assault rifle against a shielded enemy who has plasma weaponry, and that will fuck a Marine up if a shot even comes close to him, let alone hit. [QUOTE=The Jack;51775716]The avengers shit was a bit much. Maybe a bit more hard brutality too it. Not every Spartan has to be doomguy, but if you're going to be showing off your abilities, you shouldn't be distracting your allies, and you should be terrorizing the enemy.[/QUOTE] Not every Spartan IV is presented to be that. As much as I fucking hate any scene in Spartan Ops that had all of Fireteam Majestic together, there was no flippy ninja shit. Hell, Anthony Madsen (their sniper, generic buff dude #3) didn't even have anything that important happen in his military career until he became a Spartan - at the behest of his father and grandfather, both of whom were Generals. Fireteam Osiris in comparison is meant to be the best of the best, but instead of showing their tactical and combat abilities they were given comic book shit because the lead writer was an ex-Marvel Comics writer. That's what led to things such as Vale cart-wheeling over an Elite onto the edge of a cliff (!!!), because it "looked cool".

yeah elites are described to equal a spartan (at least the higher ranking ones, I doubt a minor would)

I'd say that GEN1 would actually win out every time because they don't have a giant "Shoot me in the dick zone" in their center of mass

So, does anyone think that Halo 6 might be going back to the old Bungie art style, well, maybe no fully, but enough? Reading the descriptions of the new armors is making me think that Halo 6 is going to be you salvaging old hardware while you are fighting the dumbest enemy fucking ever. Going by Halo 5's older game armor, its heavy Bungie style with a bit of change.

[QUOTE=Zeos;51776290]I'd say that GEN1 would actually win out every time because they don't have a giant "Shoot me in the dick zone" in their center of mass[/QUOTE] Can we please not do this? Ever since Mjolnir Mark V Spartans have had shielding that has only gotten stronger with each successive generation. A Spartan without shields is dead in a firefight regardless of crotch plating, just look at Noble 6 or Kat. If a Spartan loses their shields, they were exposed and are going to need to stay in cover which they should have or were already doing anyway. Crotch plating makes literally no difference unless the Spartan is a moron and standing out in the open. [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;51776326]So, does anyone think that Halo 6 might be going back to the old Bungie art style, well, maybe no fully, but enough? Reading the descriptions of the new armors is making me think that Halo 6 is going to be you salvaging old hardware while you are fighting the dumbest enemy fucking ever. Going by Halo 5's older game armor, its heavy Bungie style with a bit of change.[/QUOTE] Halo Wars 2's lead art director is Jeremy Cook, who is himself one of 343's own art directors. It's fair to say that we'll see a blend of Bungie and 343 designs.

...Or they get melee'd? If their shields are so good, then why do they need [I]any[/I] armour outside of helmet and whatever lets them do their abilities? Seriously it makes no fucking sense and you cannot possibly justify it. The designs for Gen 2 are fucking atrocious and only reflect the fact that 343's artists have no idea what they're doing and just redesign everything they touch, even if it doesn't remotely fit what was originally intended.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;51776326]So, does anyone think that Halo 6 might be going back to the old Bungie art style, well, maybe no fully, but enough? Reading the descriptions of the new armors is making me think that Halo 6 is going to be you salvaging old hardware while you are fighting the dumbest enemy fucking ever. Going by Halo 5's older game armor, its heavy Bungie style with a bit of change.[/QUOTE] Honestly I see both artstyles blending together and I've got nothing wrong with that because they match up pretty nicely. I was gonna make a post about how blending both artstyles allows 343 to pick and choose parts from both that work and that people enjoy, so some of the disgusting shit from post war era can be removed (looking at you Seeker), gives 343 leeway to remove just general shit people don't like either. I mean shit both the artstyles are already beginning to blend, what with IVs being given GEN1 armour sets to work with (and it looks perfectly fine) as well as being given Human-Covenant war weaponry to train with in war games (BR55, GL, Beam Rifle) Ideally for me, 343 would include shit from various eras alongside modern counterparts (M6G next to the M6S, , it'd drive in the desperate scavenger feel that everyone's speculating will be the tone of Halo 6. They've already done it in 5 with the BR55 next to the BR85 and the SPNKR next to... well.. whatever the newer rocket launcher's name is. I just hope if 343 do choose to bring back older stuff, they change nothing about the designs and just graphically update them with more detail just like H2A Halo 2 anniversary's campaign honestly just looked fucking perfect, everything was right

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;51775804]Marines are [I]nothing[/I] compared to an Elite. There is literally no comparison between the two. All a Marine has is a dinky assault rifle against a shielded enemy who has plasma weaponry, and that will fuck a Marine up if a shot even comes close to him, let alone hit. .[/QUOTE] Smaller frame Uses cover (elites generally don't) Physical prowess usually means fuck all in a gun fight. More accurate weaponry. and don't shoot from the hip all the time. Has a tactical hud (do elites have this? I don't think they do) I think in canon, Elite minors take about a second or less assault rifle fire before their shields give. Majors aren't much better, and anything above is real rare. The chaingun on a warthog should make all elite shields look puny. One on one, I think a well trained marine and his equipment could go 1-on 1 against an elite major a hundred times and you'd have the marines win most of the time. An ultra would ruin the marine's day 90% of the time though.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51777496] Has a tactical hud (do elites have this? I don't think they do) [/QUOTE] What about the HUD they have when you play as them?

[QUOTE=Zeos;51776623]...Or they get melee'd? If their shields are so good, then why do they need [I]any[/I] armour outside of helmet and whatever lets them do their abilities? Seriously it makes no fucking sense and you cannot possibly justify it. The designs for Gen 2 are fucking atrocious and only reflect the fact that 343's artists have no idea what they're doing and just redesign everything they touch, even if it doesn't remotely fit what was originally intended.[/QUOTE] I think Fall of Reach clarified that the Spartans were originally made to fight terrorists or 'domestic' insurgents with brutal efficiency but then the Covenant showed up. So the armor is probably there to defend against the small arms fire they'd see in that position. My memory on the book is foggy so there's a chance I am completely wrong, but eh.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51775716]I imagined ODSTs to be more professional than spartan IVs as shown Like they talk smack and all, but when you get down to the fighting, deadly serious. Marines have got to be pretty well trained to be equal to covenant too. 7-9 foot tall, energy shielded monstrosities have got to be a moral shock. The avengers shit was a bit much. Maybe a bit more hard brutality too it. Not every Spartan has to be doomguy, but if you're going to be showing off your abilities, you shouldn't be distracting your allies, and you should be terrorizing the enemy.[/QUOTE] ODSTs are still grunts. Just grunts with better training and gear. And if you've ever hung around Marines you'll know they're anything but professional when they don't have to be :v:

[QUOTE=Dmaster;51777807]I think Fall of Reach clarified that the Spartans were originally made to fight terrorists or 'domestic' insurgents with brutal efficiency but then the Covenant showed up. So the armor is probably there to defend against the small arms fire they'd see in that position. My memory on the book is foggy so there's a chance I am completely wrong, but eh.[/QUOTE] They were. and if I remember correctly their armour was almost completely resistant to ballistic small arms too, though not invulnerable.

[QUOTE=Zeos;51776623]...Or they get melee'd? [/QUOTE] Mjolnir armor can take a full volley of blasts from a Hunter cannon and still function afterwards. Fred took on a roomful of Covenant Elites once with only two knives, so melee is the least of anyone's concerns. [QUOTE=Zeos;51776623]If their shields are so good, then why do they need [I]any[/I] armour outside of helmet and whatever lets them do their abilities? [/QUOTE] Because the armor plating is what generates those shields and does offer some physical protection? The crotch plating just isn't worth the loss in mobility. They don't go around teabagging dead Elites in the middle of combat, they stay in cover where they (and their shields) won't be exposed. [QUOTE=Zeos;51776623]Seriously it makes no fucking sense and you cannot possibly justify it. The designs for Gen 2 are fucking atrocious and only reflect the fact that 343's artists have no idea what they're doing and just redesign everything they touch, even if it doesn't remotely fit what was originally intended.[/QUOTE] Yes, the designs for Gen 2 are mostly terrible. That doesn't mean 343 cannot make good decisions, or has not made good decisions. Also do you even know who any of 343's art leads are? They've got some of the best and most experienced in the world, like Kenneth Scott and Nicolas Bouvier. They regularly contract Isaac Hannaford to do work for them, and most of the artists we know of have worked with Bungie in the past. The goal of 343's artstyle change was symbolic and to reflect humanity's advancement as a species and no longer being desperate for any kind of advantage. And I'm not defending their choice either, I hate the new artstyle and am glad to see it gone. But it wasn't done without reason as many people like to claim. [QUOTE=The Jack;51777496]Smaller frame Uses cover (elites generally don't) Physical prowess usually means fuck all in a gun fight. More accurate weaponry. and don't shoot from the hip all the time. Has a tactical hud (do elites have this? I don't think they do) I think in canon, Elite minors take about a second or less assault rifle fire before their shields give. Majors aren't much better, and anything above is real rare. The chaingun on a warthog should make all elite shields look puny. One on one, I think a well trained marine and his equipment could go 1-on 1 against an elite major a hundred times and you'd have the marines win most of the time. An ultra would ruin the marine's day 90% of the time though.[/QUOTE] Elites spend their whole lives training for combat. A single shot kills a Marine, end of story. Not going to make much difference when an Elite is stronger and faster than a Marine. Again, Elites have spent their lives training for combat. They're crack-shots too. They do. No, a Marine could not 1v1 an Elite. Elites had a terrifying presence on the battlefield and can take more shots with their shields than a Marine can take with their armor. A plasma blast will severely blister skin when coming even close to skin, let alone hitting it. That's not even taking armor abilities into account. EDIT: Just a warning, Halo Wars 2 spoilers are out in the wild now and not just the first two missions. Might be best to avoid Halo-related stuff to avoid them.

I'm still find it weird that Marines never really showed up in Halo 5.