Mass Effect Megathread: He said "I should go." Do I sound like that? - Games

[QUOTE=Loadingue;43850200]I sure wish ME3 was better, but it's certainly far from being a bad game in my opinion. I've seen a lot of people shit all over it, BioWare, and even the whole series because ME3 wasn't up to their expectations. I think it's ridiculous.[/QUOTE] No, your apologism is ridiculous. People who spent over 300 dollars based on entirely reasonable expectations of BW's traditional and entirely reachable story goals were shafted, not only shafted but pretty much bait and switched halfway through the game, an end they had waited 5 years to play and spent up to 300 smackers en toto on. Secondly they don't have to be reasonable rational or polite and overly explanatory about it. They're customers and whatever opinion they decide to voice and whatever tone they choose to take is frankly none of your business or concern. Last time I checked, you weren't appointed by the earth as the arbitrator of All Opinions, and yours is simply one of many just like anyone else. The second half of ME3 is garbage, and some of ME2's arc falls right into the same category, and the [B]writers of the game have agreed as much[/B], and they [I]probably[/I] have a good idea of why someone would come to such an opinion. Seeing as how you think Kai Leng is a worthy opponent and not a terribly written cariacature, can't say as I'd consider much of what you had to say as "objective" to begin with. An opinion is just that, and you don't get to arbitrate why or how it's formed.

Excuse me? [QUOTE=27X;43862605]No, your apologism is ridiculous. People who spent over 300 dollars based on entirely reasonable expectations of BW's traditional and entirely reachable story goals were shafted, not only shafted but pretty much bait and switched halfway through the game, an end they had waited 5 years to play and spent up to 300 smackers en toto on.[/QUOTE] My apologism? I'm not apologizing anyone here; BioWare messed up, I know that like everyone else. I'm sorry for not saying that Mass Effect 3 is the worst game ever and BioWare are assholes that deserve to die every time I get the chance, like some people do. I'm only trying not to sound like a spiteful idiot. Also, I'm sorry about the people who spent 300$ on ME3, I really am. But by now, I'd expected everyone to know that pre-ordering a game gives the customer [I]no guarantee whatsoever[/I] that the game will be any good. If you spend six times the regular amout of cash on it, it's your responsibility, you alone. If you wanted to be reasonable, you'd have waited until the game is released in order to see the reviews, no matter how much you love the series because BioWare are humans like everyone else. [QUOTE=27X;43862605]Secondly they don't have to be reasonable rational or polite and overly explanatory about it. They're customers and whatever opinion they decide to voice and whatever tone they choose to take is frankly none of your business or concern. Last time I checked, you weren't appointed by the earth as the arbitrator of All Opinions, and yours is simply one of many just like anyone else.[/QUOTE] And may I ask, who are [I]you[/I] to tell me how to voice my opinion? Don't I have any right to step in when I hear someone act in a stupid manner? Any right to have an opinion that differs from yours? Everyone's a customer here; if you wanted to dramatize all this you could say we're all victims. Why do people who viciously hate ME3 deserve more respect than people like me who see the whole thing in a reasonable way? [QUOTE=27X;43862605]Seeing as how you think Kai Leng is a worthy opponent and not a terribly written cariacature, can't say as I'd consider much of what you had to say as "objective" to begin with.[/QUOTE] I don't remember ever saying Kai Leng is a worthy opponent; I agree he seems terribly out of place in the ME universe. Anyway, I'm sorry that you would also question the solidity of my opinion based on an opinion in a more or less unrelated matter. That's simply something that I cannot agree with. [QUOTE=27X;43862605]An opinion is just that, and you don't get to arbitrate why or how it's formed.[/QUOTE] All I did was voice my own opinion. You seem to be upsetted by the fact that I think that the way some people act is ridiculous and unreasonable. In your eyes, they don't need a reason to be massive dicks about ME3. In my eyes, everyone needs a good reason to be a massive dick about anything. No matter how much you agree with them.

I'm not "upsetted" by anything, you've just missed three [B]megathreads[/B] by folks who were not particularly happy, impressed, or made to have sparkly eyes of joy by ME3; not three pages, not thirty pages, not 300 pages, three. mega. threads. I'll let you weigh the impact of something being considered negative enough to color then of thousands of words and three years towards the negative, maybe you'll figure it out. [quote] sorry/by now [/quote] No, you aren't sorry about anything and that's the point. If someone chooses to support BW financially in a manner you don't, it's none of your concern nor does it merit you being able to claim a superior sweeping stance over their purchasing choices, which you directly are. Placing a tiered value on their actions doesn't make your contraindications any more relevant than theirs, it's actually quite the opposite. [quote] who [/quote] Your post didn't take place in a vacuum or spontaneously have context, you might wanna check your other postings elsewhere, cause there's some really clear hypocrisy you seem to be unaware of. I'll even give you a hint [quote] gaming is art [/quote] You pretty much used that a blanket defense of a rather moribund and laughably generic story elsewhen and where, I'll just go ahead and spell out the rest, art is completely subjective, and no one HAS to like it or appreciate it, and if they see enough of it they might make the rather easy contextual leap and see just as much of an issue with the [i]artist[/i] as they do with the art, and for someone who used that as a all encompassing shield earlier, you seem to have plenty issue with it being used as a sword now. When you figure which of the games/companies on your list get "art" immunity and which don't, maybe you can post it up somewhere. People apparently found and still find "disgusting" to be saliently applied to the product as you to do towards their attitude.

I'm sorry again, but I'm missing your point; your post is rather confusing. And you might have missed my own point. I'm actually starting to think you're talking to the wrong person, because I don't see the link with the whole "gaming is art" thingie.

You guys should do what I do and be totally cynical about every game release and only buy games after they come out in case they're shit. You'll never be dissapointed if you assume everything is going to be bad anyway.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;43872610]You guys should do what I do and be totally cynical about every game release and only buy games after they come out in case they're shit. You'll never be dissapointed if you assume everything is going to be bad anyway.[/QUOTE] Too easy.

[QUOTE=27X;43862605]Seeing as how you think Kai Leng is a worthy opponent and not a terribly written cariacature, can't say as I'd consider much of what you had to say as "objective" to begin with.[/QUOTE] I was actually pretty impressed with Kai Leng's character. Bioware managed to make a freaking [i]cyborg ninja[/i] the [i]most un-awesome[/i] character in the entire series. That takes some serious writing skills. Or a total lack of them.

[QUOTE=27X;43871949]I'm not "upsetted" by anything, you've just missed three [B]megathreads[/B] by folks who were not particularly happy, impressed, or made to have sparkly eyes of joy by ME3; not three pages, not thirty pages, not 300 pages, three. mega. threads. [/QUOTE] Not to seem like an asshole, but two of those megathread a were only about 25 pages long.

C'mon, guys! If we're fighting each other, the reapers have already won!

crap I expected more from ME2's Firewalker DLC...oh well

[QUOTE=RocketRacer;44106113]crap I expected more from ME2's Firewalker DLC...oh well[/QUOTE] Yeah, most of the Cerberus Network stuff was pretty good, except for Firewalker. It was pretty boring.

Firewalker made way for Overlord, so there's something.

I've gotta say, almost all of the characters are way too overly dramatic in ME3. Also, the lip sync job Bioware did is awful, half of the time when a krogan is screaming, their lips aren't even moving. Also also, I've managed to walk through three walls and cause 8ish enemies to be upside-down in a T position, still firing at me, unable to move. I bought it expecting something like ME2 in terms of quality and was frankly disappointed with what I got. But it [i]is[/i] pretty damn fun and entertaining. Just nowhere near what I expected out of Bioware.

[QUOTE=AndrewPH;44119596]I've gotta say, almost all of the characters are way too overly dramatic in ME3. Also, the lip sync job Bioware did is awful, half of the time when a krogan is screaming, their lips aren't even moving. Also also, I've managed to walk through three walls and cause 8ish enemies to be upside-down in a T position, still firing at me, unable to move. I bought it expecting something like ME2 in terms of quality and was frankly disappointed with what I got. But it [i]is[/i] pretty damn fun and entertaining. Just nowhere near what I expected out of Bioware.[/QUOTE] Yeah, ME3 should have been a late 2012/early 2013 game instead of a early 2012 game. Fixing stuff like animations, lip syncing, and maybe skipping multiplayer might have helped a lot. Still, what we got was awesome for the most part, though now I'm considering ME3:Citadel the real ending. (start that one before the final push in the story) Personally, I'd like to see the next Mass Effect game be a prequel that is set before humans discover the Mass Relays and only focuses on the alien species. I know EA might shoot that down, but the playable character(s) could be the ones with the more human faces such as Asari or Drell.

Wait a second... I just had a big thought. What if Obsidian Entertainment were given the opportunity to do a Mass Effect game? Other than potentially being buggy on launch, I imagine they'd probably do a good job in terms of storytelling and world-building, as evidenced by stuff like New Vegas and other previous RPGs they did.

[QUOTE=ironman17;44123939]Wait a second... I just had a big thought. What if Obsidian Entertainment were given the opportunity to do a Mass Effect game? Other than potentially being buggy on launch, I imagine they'd probably do a good job in terms of storytelling and world-building, as evidenced by stuff like New Vegas and other previous RPGs they did.[/QUOTE] I would probably die from hype.

It's the only way I'll be able to get hype about a BioWare title by this point, considering EA's nonsense.

[QUOTE=Korolev86;44121331]Yeah, ME3 should have been a late 2012/early 2013 game instead of a early 2012 game. Fixing stuff like animations, lip syncing, and maybe skipping multiplayer might have helped a lot. Still, what we got was awesome for the most part, though now I'm considering ME3:Citadel the real ending. (start that one before the final push in the story) Personally, I'd like to see the next Mass Effect game be a prequel that is set before humans discover the Mass Relays and only focuses on the alien species. I know EA might shoot that down, but the playable character(s) could be the ones with the more human faces such as Asari or Drell.[/QUOTE] MP is the only reason to play 3, and it's something fans were asking for since it was still an Xbox beta.

It's not terrible, that much I'll say. Having special abilities in addition to guns in a multiplayer shooter does seem kind of rare, especially when the characters in ME3 multiplayer have 3 of those things (7 if you include the special items on 5, 6, 7 and 8), whereas games like Ghost Recon Online, Loadout, Borderlands and even maybe Brink don't seem to have that many active abilities per character, usually only one side ability, two if you were a lucky boy. Three still isn't much, but in comparison to the usual number offered by other games it's actually kinda generous. Still, I dunno if it's just me, but having active abilities on the number keys just seems a bit off, like you have to take your fingers off the WASD for a split second which could result in a brief stall in mobility. Apparently it works for Smite, but that's more of a third-person hero brawler than a third-person shooter, and I dunno how well it translates to a more shooty-focused kind of game. Having the active abilities assigned to something like [F G C V] or [X C V F] would probably be a bit more mobility-friendly since you probably need to keep your movement fingers focused more on forwards and backwards than on right-strafe since you can still use the mouse to turn in that split-second. You could even have some of the abilities on Z and backslash (\) to access with your pinky or ring finger, which only distract from left-strafe and/or Shift and Ctrl respectively. Then again, we are talking about a company that focuses on consoles, so it's hard to expect such keyboard intricacies and ergonomics from them, though thankfully they at least (maybe I can't remember anymore) have fully rebindable keys so such setups could be viable assuming you can tune your instincts and muscle memory.

I'm in the middle of my ME1 replay and I can confidently say I was lying to myself when I thought I did full renegade runs before. I've done some stuff I didn't know was possible and lots of other things that just shouldn't be done. Something about choosing the Colonist background and then belittling Talitha, and telling the cops they wasted your time by calling you to help deal with her, seems really...evil.

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;44207315]I'm in the middle of my ME1 replay and I can confidently say I was lying to myself when I thought I did full renegade runs before. I've done some stuff I didn't know was possible and lots of other things that just shouldn't be done. Something about choosing the Colonist background and then belittling Talitha, and telling the cops they wasted your time by calling you to help deal with her, seems really...evil.[/QUOTE] It's hard to do full one-way runs. Shepard becomes either Space Jesus or the most evil sack of shit in the galaxy. I tried a renegade run once, I couldn't do it, it just didn't sit well for me. Same with paragon. I lean towards paragon most times, but runs that are 100% either way are just impractical, it doesn't really give your Shepard as much depth.

[QUOTE=Flicky;44208377]It's hard to do full one-way runs. Shepard becomes either Space Jesus or the most evil sack of shit in the galaxy. I tried a renegade run once, I couldn't do it, it just didn't sit well for me. Same with paragon. I lean towards paragon most times, but runs that are 100% either way are just impractical, it doesn't really give your Shepard as much depth.[/QUOTE] 100% Paragon sets you up for a lot of failures later on, both ones that affect you and implied ones. Renegade gets the job done permanently most of the time but god fucking dammit I just can't kill Wrex or Mordin. That said, I still think renegade in ME2 was the best. Perfect blend of sociopath and Han Solo-type jerk.

Every time i load mass effect 2 it always makes me relog into the servers

Man, I forgot how genuinely emotionally-charged every scene with [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7bE3hUwylQ]Vigil[/url] playing is. Just had the conversation with him and I think that might be my favorite moment in any game ever.

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;44228532]Man, I forgot how genuinely emotionally-charged every scene with [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7bE3hUwylQ]Vigil[/url] playing is. Just had the conversation with him and I think that might be my favorite moment in any game ever.[/QUOTE] Mass Effect 1 just has that [I]charm[/I] to it, with the gameplay and the music, even if it is a little unpolished. That music fits the best in ME1. The second game somewhat loses that charm, while Mass Effect 3 ditches it entirely.

[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;44228595]Mass Effect 1 just has that [I]charm[/I] to it, with the gameplay and the music, even if it is a little unpolished. That music fits the best in ME1. The second game somewhat loses that charm, while Mass Effect 3 ditches it entirely.[/QUOTE] I still get chills from the song alone, though.

[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;44228595]Mass Effect 1 just has that [I]charm[/I] to it, with the gameplay and the music, even if it is a little unpolished. That music fits the best in ME1. The second game somewhat loses that charm, while Mass Effect 3 ditches it entirely.[/QUOTE] It's surprising to see how gracefully ME and ME2 have aged. The older ME3 gets, the more apparent its flaws. I couldn't even finish my last playthrough of it and I've now since picked it back up. It just feels forced to me now. For example, the squad's dialogue before you hit Cronos Station (I think everyone has played the game, or doesn't give a shit anymore. Anyways, this isn't much of a spoiler). The dialogue with Garrus and Kaiden sounded awful. Garrus's threats to carve up TIM's skull sounded ridiculous, and Kaiden? What the hell was up with that? Seriously, he makes this little speech in hushed tones about how TIM's days are numbered. Both moments are almost completely out of character for these guys. I'll admit, Garrus is a bit of a hothead, but by this point in the game, he should be more calm and collected, in a sense. Kaiden's never sounded this much like a goddamn sociopath. Hell, I'd toss him out the airlock if I had the option. The other squadmates aren't particularly noteworthy (Tali's drunkeness, while funny, doesn't seem totally fitting), apart from Javik, who seems to be the most consistently written character, playing as a sort of anti-Shepard. Not Shepard the idealist, or space-pirate, but the Shepard who lost the war. I did notice this earlier, but it seemed to resonate more when compared to everyone else's flaws.

But then Citadel DLC happens and for a couple of hours you can immerse yourself in something genuinely enjoyable.

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;44230360]It's surprising to see how gracefully ME and ME2 have aged. The older ME3 gets, the more apparent its flaws. I couldn't even finish my last playthrough of it and I've now since picked it back up. It just feels forced to me now. For example, the squad's dialogue before you hit Cronos Station (I think everyone has played the game, or doesn't give a shit anymore. Anyways, this isn't much of a spoiler). The dialogue with Garrus and Kaiden sounded awful. Garrus's threats to carve up TIM's skull sounded ridiculous, and Kaiden? What the hell was up with that? Seriously, he makes this little speech in hushed tones about how TIM's days are numbered. Both moments are almost completely out of character for these guys. I'll admit, Garrus is a bit of a hothead, but by this point in the game, he should be more calm and collected, in a sense. Kaiden's never sounded this much like a goddamn sociopath. Hell, I'd toss him out the airlock if I had the option. The other squadmates aren't particularly noteworthy (Tali's drunkeness, while funny, doesn't seem totally fitting), apart from Javik, who seems to be the most consistently written character, playing as a sort of anti-Shepard. Not Shepard the idealist, or space-pirate, but the Shepard who lost the war. I did notice this earlier, but it seemed to resonate more when compared to everyone else's flaws.[/QUOTE] I don't think ME2 has aged well at all. I think people just get super happy to meet their old bros. Try a game and don't recruit the old gang.

[QUOTE=27X;44231000]I don't think ME2 has aged well at all. I think people just get super happy to meet their old bros. Try a game and don't recruit the old gang.[/QUOTE] I recruited them and got them killed and then proceeded to feel like shit. My only survivors on the last run I did were Jacob and Zaeed.