Runescape V8 - I don't know, I just wanted a runescape thread that wasn't about the 2007 version - Games

[QUOTE=Itszutak;46026259]It takes no skill to scam someone You just have to have no real sense of empathy or just not give a fuck about people around you, and that's generally a shitty trait to have You're parading around how much of a piece of shit you are pretty much[/QUOTE] It does take charisma to scam people, but scams that require really clever thinking are generally restricted to EVE Online.

[QUOTE=Itszutak;46026259]It takes no skill to scam someone You just have to have no real sense of empathy or just not give a fuck about people around you, and that's generally a shitty trait to have You're parading around how much of a piece of shit you are pretty much[/QUOTE] I have always played by the game rules to the best of my ability. Only real exception is when I dabbled in RMT because I didn't have any real use for the amount of money I had in-game. It has been three years since I was active in any sort of devious activity in Runescape or any game. I have always seen MMO's as a new wild west, a dog eat dog world. People are generally scumbags on the internet. I could bet that 99% of Runescape would probably scam someone if they had the opportunity and it was a significant amount of money. That doesn't necessarily make them evil or a bad person. I've met a ton of people which are really great people but give them an MMO and anonimity and they will pull any trick to rip someone off. The real scumbags are the people who bot, hundreds of accounts and fuck the economy up. The people who pulled merching clans which was just a simple pyramid scheme which they used to rob hundreds of people at once. The people who put up fony websites to spread malicious software in order to get access to people's accounts. So yeah, sorry that you think I'm a douchebag for tricking some fella with 1.2b in his inventory to teleport in to deep wilderness past a warning screen.

[QUOTE=ejonkou;46026849]I have always played by the game rules to the best of my ability. Only real exception is when I dabbled in RMT because I didn't have any real use for the amount of money I had in-game. It has been three years since I was active in any sort of devious activity in Runescape or any game. I have always seen MMO's as a new wild west, a dog eat dog world. People are generally scumbags on the internet. I could bet that 99% of Runescape would probably scam someone if they had the opportunity and it was a significant amount of money. That doesn't necessarily make them evil or a bad person. I've met a ton of people which are really great people but give them an MMO and anonimity and they will pull any trick to rip someone off. The real scumbags are the people who bot, hundreds of accounts and fuck the economy up. The people who pulled merching clans which was just a simple pyramid scheme which they used to rob hundreds of people at once. The people who put up fony websites to spread malicious software in order to get access to people's accounts. So yeah, sorry that you think I'm a douchebag for tricking some fella with 1.2b in his inventory to teleport in to deep wilderness past a warning screen.[/QUOTE] I think you misunderstand me. It's not about following the rules of the game, it's this attitude that just because the rules aren't explicit about not fucking people over you feel justified about doing so. If the only thing keeping you from being a dick is explicit rules, your ethical system is fucked. I don't really see a difference between scamming and botting. It's an easy way out, a "get rich quick" method that abuses other people's trust and/or time.

[QUOTE=Itszutak;46027026]I think you misunderstand me. It's not about following the rules of the game, it's this attitude that just because the rules aren't explicit about not fucking people over you feel justified about doing so. If the only thing keeping you from being a dick is explicit rules, your ethical system is fucked. I don't really see a difference between scamming and botting. It's an easy way out, a "get rich quick" method that abuses other people's trust and/or time.[/QUOTE] Wait, what about botting abuses other people's trust and/or time? Is it because botting motherfuckers always steal away the good resource locations, and never stop?

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;46027073]Wait, what about botting abuses other people's trust and/or time? Is it because botting motherfuckers always steal away the good resource locations, and never stop?[/QUOTE] That, and the only thing giving anything value in Runescape is the concept that it took someone's effort and time to get it, and bots take zero effort and time to obtain enormous amounts of resources, which undermines legitimate players to an extreme degree

I think runescape's coin economy will collapse and we will begin trading in divine energies, the rs almost eqivalent of bitcoins

[QUOTE=aurum481;46027199]I think runescape's coin economy will collapse and we will begin trading in divine energies, the rs almost eqivalent of bitcoins[/QUOTE] Let's go all Diablo on this shit and trade exclusively in Amulets of Glory and Rockfish.

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;46027259]Let's go all Diablo on this shit and trade exclusively in Amulets of Glory and Rockfish.[/QUOTE] onyx rings will become the new stone of jordan

[QUOTE=Itszutak;46027026]I think you misunderstand me. It's not about following the rules of the game, it's this attitude that just because the rules aren't explicit about not fucking people over you feel justified about doing so. If the only thing keeping you from being a dick is explicit rules, your ethical system is fucked. I don't really see a difference between scamming and botting. It's an easy way out, a "get rich quick" method that abuses other people's trust and/or time.[/QUOTE] You're misunderstanding my point. I don't see any problem with the way I [b]used[/b] to play Runescape. Luring and Gambling are two activities which were supported by Jagex for the longest time and fell within the confines of the rules set by Jagex. When you play a game which involves a certain amount of risk such as Runescape, EVE Online & Haven and Hearth. You have to expect that people will play within the game rules to kill you or take your items/money. It's all part of the game experience, if you don't want to carry any risk of getting scammed/lured/killed or whatever you're afraid of [b]these types of games are not for you[/b]. I rarely apply my ethics to games such as EVE Online and Runescape. Why? Because they don't matter. It's all a game and you play the game as you want. If you wanted to play Runescape as a thief or a swindler back in the day, you could. If you want to play EVE Online as a pirate, ransoming people for ISK you can do that. The rules of the game is the only thing that's important. The way you want to play a game is up to you. And because I participated in some shady activities in games that support it doesn't mean I'm running around IRL snatching granny's purse or robbing the closest supermarket. I know how to differentiate right from wrong. The point about games for me is to play a character I'm not. I might choose to be a thief in a game or a murderer but that doesn't make me a bad person. You can be sour about this all you want. But at the end of the day it's not going to affect me or how I play my video games.

[QUOTE=ejonkou;46027513]You're misunderstanding my point. I don't see any problem with the way I [b]used[/b] to play Runescape. Luring and Gambling are two activities which were supported by Jagex for the longest time and fell within the confines of the rules set by Jagex. When you play a game which involves a certain amount of risk such as Runescape, EVE Online & Haven and Hearth. You have to expect that people will play within the game rules to kill you or take your items/money. It's all part of the game experience, if you don't want to carry any risk of getting scammed/lured/killed or whatever you're afraid of [b]these types of games are not for you[/b]. I rarely apply my ethics to games such as EVE Online and Runescape. Why? Because they don't matter. It's all a game and you play the game as you want. If you wanted to play Runescape as a thief or a swindler back in the day, you could. If you want to play EVE Online as a pirate, ransoming people for ISK you can do that. The rules of the game is the only thing that's important. The way you want to play a game is up to you. And because I participated in some shady activities in games that support it doesn't mean I'm running around IRL snatching granny's purse or robbing the closest supermarket. I know how to differentiate right from wrong. The point about games for me is to play a character I'm not. I might choose to be a thief in a game or a murderer but that doesn't make me a bad person. You can be sour about this all you want. But at the end of the day it's not going to affect me or how I play my video games.[/QUOTE] What the fuck don't you get? It's not [b]your[/b] video game! You are not the only one entitled to have fun. By scamming and stealing from people you are actively ruining someone else's fun.

[QUOTE=ejonkou;46027513]I don't see any problem with the way I [b]used[/b] to play Runescape. Luring and Gambling are two activities which were supported by Jagex for the longest time and fell within the confines of the rules set by Jagex.[/QUOTE] Neither of those activities have EVER been supported by Jagex. They were possible, and they were not bannable, but that doesn't mean they were actively approved or an intended way to play the game. [QUOTE=ejonkou;46027513]When you play a game which involves a certain amount of risk such as Runescape, EVE Online & Haven and Hearth. You have to expect that people will play within the game rules to kill you or take your items/money. It's all part of the game experience, if you don't want to carry any risk of getting scammed/lured/killed or whatever you're afraid of [b]these types of games are not for you[/b].[/QUOTE] Valid, but irrelevant. I trusted pretty much nobody blindly when I played the game, but it's a *multiplayer* game that builds itself at its core around trust-based activities-- trading and some degree of co-op pve/pvp. To be unable to trust anyone with anything removes a major point of the MMORPG experience. At the same time, blind trust is stupid. And people *should* know better, because there are asses who'll take advantage of whatever they see. But that doesn't mean YOU should be that ass. [QUOTE=ejonkou;46027513] I rarely apply my ethics to games such as EVE Online and Runescape. Why? Because they don't matter. It's all a game and you play the game as you want. If you wanted to play Runescape as a thief or a swindler back in the day, you could. If you want to play EVE Online as a pirate, ransoming people for ISK you can do that. [/QUOTE] Runescape is played primarily by KIDS. You're ruining kids' fun for some meager reward on your part. I don't understand how you can enjoy that. [QUOTE=ejonkou;46027513] The rules of the game is the only thing that's important. The way you want to play a game is up to you. And because I participated in some shady activities in games that support it doesn't mean I'm running around IRL snatching granny's purse or robbing the closest supermarket. I know how to differentiate right from wrong. The point about games for me is to play a character I'm not. I might choose to be a thief in a game or a murderer but that doesn't make me a bad person. You can be sour about this all you want. But at the end of the day it's not going to affect me or how I play my video games.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying you're a psychopath or have any mental issues-- that would be absurd. I just think you should recognize that you're an asshole for shitting on other peoples' fun, regardless of how dumb or trusting they are. For fuck's sake, you're stealing from *children*. THAT is why they're so trusting. Adults, and even teenagers, don't fall for these sort of scams. While you may not be a criminally bad person (far from it), you're still an asshole. You keep trying to justify yourself and I don't understand why you can't back up, think a bit, and just say "yeah it was a shitty thing to do".

[QUOTE=Pnukup;46022421]Some people have feelings for other people and can understand how devestating it is to lose so much money.[/QUOTE] it's a fucking game, the money isn't real to begin with, don't take that shit to heart man. also, how in the hell did this topic garnish all these posts?

[QUOTE=Pops;46029128]it's a fucking game, the money isn't real to begin with, don't take that shit to heart man. also, how in the hell did this topic garnish all these posts?[/QUOTE] So just because the money isn't real, you don't need to invest time to get it? What are you even trying to say?

[QUOTE=Pops;46029128]it's a fucking game, the money isn't real to begin with, don't take that shit to heart man. also, how in the hell did this topic garnish all these posts?[/QUOTE] I know a dude that makes a good chunk of real money selling the GP he got running a phish site to gold-selling website

why are pops and ejonku still trying reeeeally hard to justify being massive cunts lmao And as to the whole "it's not real money" argument: you can easily sell 1b for $500. However you look at it scamming is a cunty thing to do for cunty people. You'd be pissed if you had your entire bank/account stolen, grow up and grow some basic human empathy. There is a reason why scammers and lureres get bant.

[QUOTE=geel9;46028891]What the fuck don't you get? It's not [b]your[/b] video game! You are not the only one entitled to have fun. By scamming and stealing from people you are actively ruining someone else's fun.[/QUOTE] I'm allowed to play the game as I want as long as it's within the the rules Jagex has set. When you play a game like Runescape, EVE Online or any other "hardcore" MMO you have to expect that people will try to worm their way in to your wallet. [QUOTE=Itszutak;46029116]Neither of those activities have EVER been supported by Jagex. They were possible, and they were not bannable, but that doesn't mean they were actively approved or an intended way to play the game.[/QUOTE] I remember Jagex adding dicing bags in to the game and not removing them for a long time. I also remember when Jagex actively supported lurers and their videos. Luring existed for over a decade without them putting any rules making such activity bannable much like scamming. [QUOTE=Itszutak;46029116]Valid, but irrelevant. I trusted pretty much nobody blindly when I played the game, but it's a *multiplayer* game that builds itself at its core around trust-based activities-- trading and some degree of co-op pve/pvp. To be unable to trust anyone with anything removes a major point of the MMORPG experience. At the same time, blind trust is stupid. And people *should* know better, because there are asses who'll take advantage of whatever they see. But that doesn't mean YOU should be that ass.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying trusting people is stupid and you shouldn't do it. But trust people in Runescape to a certain extent. Don't go handing people your life savings. I'm not that "ass", but I used to be that "ass". [QUOTE=Itszutak;46029116]Runescape is played primarily by KIDS. You're ruining kids' fun for some meager reward on your part. I don't understand how you can enjoy that.[/QUOTE] From my experience a majority of players in Runescape range anywhere from 14 to 40. The people with the big bux aren't 9 or 10, they're generally much older than that. I've played this game for a decade, been a part of multiple PKing clans and luring teams. I have met thousands of people. [QUOTE=Itszutak;46029116]I'm not saying you're a psychopath or have any mental issues-- that would be absurd. I just think you should recognize that you're an asshole for shitting on other peoples' fun, regardless of how dumb or trusting they are. For fuck's sake, you're stealing from *children*. THAT is why they're so trusting. Adults, and even teenagers, don't fall for these sort of scams. While you may not be a criminally bad person (far from it), you're still an asshole. You keep trying to justify yourself and I don't understand why you can't back up, think a bit, and just say "yeah it was a shitty thing to do".[/QUOTE] I can't see how I was shitting on other people's fun when it's a core aspect of a game. I've been swindled, lured and scammed multiple times and every time I always went away thinking it was a thrilling experience, "Wow, they really got me that time." My biggest loss was 500M back in 2011. We just have different opinions when it comes to games. I've never had a carebear attitude to a game. If I get scammed, kudos to the scammer for managing to scam me. I don't hold a grudge and I rarely care, since it's all a game.

Fuck it, I give up. I'm talking in circles now. I think you just can't see things from anyone's perspective but your own. Just because *you* don't mind being scammed doesn't mean it isn't enough to get *others* to quit the game or at least ruin their day/week. Hell, you probably don't mind as much BECAUSE YOU GOT YOUR CASH THROUGH SCAMMING. If you put in actual hours towards your cash it would hurt a lot to be scammed out of it.

If we can't blame the scammer, then who do we blame? The victim?

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46031614]If we can't blame the scammer, then who do we blame? The victim?[/QUOTE] it's not my fault i raped them lol they should protect their innocence better if you aren't swole and can't fight me off you don't deserve to keep your not-being-raped :~)

[QUOTE=Itszutak;46031404]Fuck it, I give up. I'm talking in circles now. I think you just can't see things from anyone's perspective but your own. Just because *you* don't mind being scammed doesn't mean it isn't enough to get *others* to quit the game or at least ruin their day/week. Hell, you probably don't mind as much BECAUSE YOU GOT YOUR CASH THROUGH SCAMMING. If you put in actual hours towards your cash it would hurt a lot to be scammed out of it.[/QUOTE] If you take the game so seriously that loosing gold/items in a video game has such an impact on you emotionally. It's time to reevaluate your life. All the gold I have obtained has been legal gold. And you don't just log on and score billions of gp through a lure. It's all about trying to find the right person at the right time and sometimes it could take many hours. Sometimes we would be 5-7 people working for 10+ hours and not get anything and sometimes we would put in the same amount of work and get billions. Luring =/= Scamming Anyway, I'm tired of discussing this subject. Obviously we don't see eye to eye on certain things and that's OK. I don't participate in any devious activity anymore and I haven't for many years now. I just believe that anything goes if it's allowed within the rules, obviously you don't. [editline]20th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=geel9;46031698]it's not my fault i raped them lol they should protect their innocence better if you aren't swole and can't fight me off you don't deserve to keep your not-being-raped :~)[/QUOTE] Comparing Runescape GP to Rape. Yeah, ok.

[QUOTE=ejonkou;46034958][QUOTE=Itszutak;46031404]Fuck it, I give up. I'm talking in circles now. I think you just can't see things from anyone's perspective but your own. Just because *you* don't mind being scammed doesn't mean it isn't enough to get *others* to quit the game or at least ruin their day/week. Hell, you probably don't mind as much BECAUSE YOU GOT YOUR CASH THROUGH SCAMMING. If you put in actual hours towards your cash it would hurt a lot to be scammed out of it.[/QUOTE] If you take the game so seriously that loosing gold/items in a video game has such an impact on you emotionally. It's time to reevaluate your life. All the gold I have obtained has been legal gold. And you don't just log on and score billions of gp through a lure. It's all about trying to find the right person at the right time and sometimes it could take many hours. Sometimes we would be 5-7 people working for 10+ hours and not get anything and sometimes we would put in the same amount of work and get billions. Luring =/= Scamming Anyway, I'm tired of discussing this subject. Obviously we don't see eye to eye on certain things and that's OK. I don't participate in any devious activity anymore and I haven't for many years now. I just believe that anything goes if it's allowed within the rules, obviously you don't.[/QUOTE] It's not okay to disagree on things that make you a dick bub

[QUOTE=geel9;46034970]It's not okay to disagree on things that make you a dick bub[/QUOTE] I disagree with you and I can disagree on things that doesn't align with my opinion, it's one of the many things that makes us human. There is no point in discussing something so subjective. All the arguments so far from me and you have been subjective arguments and will not lead anywhere. I will not be able to change your mind and you will not be able to change mine and that's OK. I'm just trying to be the bigger man and end an argument which is not going anywhere.

i see scammers as creative innovators

[QUOTE=Super2Donny;46035988]i see scammers as creative innovators[/QUOTE] What are they innovating, anyway? I can see EVE online scammers being absurdly innovative, but not RUNESCAPE scammers.

What makes people who scam on EVE innovative? I'm just genuinely curious. I've never played EVE.

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;46036074]What are they innovating, anyway? I can see EVE online scammers being absurdly innovative, but not RUNESCAPE scammers.[/QUOTE] Every day scamming gets harder. Existing scam methods get more and more widespread and known. The innovation comes when coming up with new lures/scams. More creative scams are created. You can check recent ChrisArchieProds videos and find plenty of innovative scams. A rather recent one(Been working for almost a year) is the teleport tablet scam. You go to world 1 and trade someone selling something. Once they put the item(s) up in the trade screen you tell them that your friend is looking to buy this item and they're in Camelot waiting to buy one. You throw a Camelot tab in the trade screen and accept. Often they will accept the trade and forget that they had their items in the trade screen. I have a friend in OSRS who made 200M doing this for a couple of days. Once people catch on you leave the scam and revisit it in a couple of months when people have forgotten all about it. Even though I don't partake in these activities I'm amused and suprised at how creative and elaborate some of these scams really are. Sure, some might not be as elaborate as EVE Online scams. But 99% of EVE Online scams are either Jita spam or corporation robbery. Both are rather simple. [QUOTE=Exigent;46036386]What makes people who scam on EVE innovative? I'm just genuinely curious. I've never played EVE.[/QUOTE] There's a lot of room for ponzy schemes and backstabbery in EVE Online which isn't really possible in Runescape. It gives a lot of room for creative scammers.

Im glad this thread has been really active lately, but god damn it's been active over the dumbest shit. Scamming is against the rules and ruins other players games experience. You're being incredibly selfish.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;46036415]Im glad this thread has been really active lately, but god damn it's been active over the dumbest shit. Scamming is against the rules and ruins other players games experience. You're being incredibly selfish.[/QUOTE] B-b-but they deserve if if they fall for it!

[QUOTE=ejonkou;46036397]Every day scamming gets harder. Existing scam methods get more and more widespread and known. The innovation comes when coming up with new lures/scams. More creative scams are created. You can check recent ChrisArchieProds videos and find plenty of innovative scams. [/QUOTE] For the most part, you're not going to find people who are savvy about scamming in fucking RUNESCAPE. WoW, yeah. EVE Online, hell yeah. Runescape, the simple fantasy game for kids and teens? I don't buy it. You're a carp trying to justify chasing after minnows by pointing at sharks in the adjacent body of water. [QUOTE=ejonkou;46036397]A rather recent one(Been working for almost a year) is the teleport tablet scam. You go to world 1 and trade someone selling something. Once they put the item(s) up in the trade screen you tell them that your friend is looking to buy this item and they're in Camelot waiting to buy one. You throw a Camelot tab in the trade screen and accept. Often they will accept the trade and forget that they had their items in the trade screen. I have a friend in OSRS who made 200M doing this for a couple of days. Once people catch on you leave the scam and revisit it in a couple of months when people have forgotten all about it.[/QUOTE] So it's a simple redirection scam. "I've got a buddy over this way who wants this, I'll have him give you the goods when you get there." That's fucking ancient. I distinctly remember falling for that one in SWG. Hell, the only person I could see falling for this is either a drunkard or a kid. This is nowhere near the level of espionage you'd find in EVE or even your average MMO's guild politicking. The only major difference between the Camelot Tab scam and most scams of its type is that you don't ambush the putz when they arrive at the agreed-upon location. [QUOTE=ejonkou;46036397]Even though I don't partake in these activities I'm amused and suprised at how creative and elaborate some of these scams really are. Sure, some might not be as elaborate as EVE Online scams. But 99% of EVE Online scams are either Jita spam or corporation robbery. Both are rather simple. There's a lot of room for ponzy schemes and backstabbery in EVE Online which isn't really possible in Runescape. It gives a lot of room for creative scammers.[/QUOTE] The major component of us thinking you're a dick isn't your scam methods, it's your victims. Nobody who knows better physically trades in Runescape. You're catching kids and really fucking them over for some petty wealth you won't even find much use for.

While I will agree that most luring and gambling were very detrimental to the game and I'm happy that they're both almost abolished. Sure, some lures are still going on and there's still some small IRC gambling channels. But they're not nearly as big as they used to be. Not all lures were detrimental to the game. [QUOTE=Duck M.;46036415]Im glad this thread has been really active lately, but god damn it's been active over the dumbest shit. Scamming is against the rules and ruins other players games experience. You're being incredibly selfish.[/QUOTE] Scamming is against the rules, I didn't scam. But as I've said before, and I'll say it one last time I lured and was involved in gambling which didn't fall under the scamming rules back in the day. So they were both perfectly legal. Now that they are both against the rules and with severe punishments for engaging in such activities I no longer do.