Overwatch - Ver Fast Sombra Hacking at Incredible Hihg Speed - Games

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446054] That's not the point, Reinhardt shield is a big part of his kit and shouldnt be as easily removed with sombra. i already said that, but on Gibraltars, there are many point where sombra has enough range to hack you at a safe distance like in the middle before the second point next to the rocketship, she can hack you from there.[/QUOTE] Hacking is a big part of Sombra's kit, and is stupidly preventable. Reinhardt is ridiculously mandatory, and feels like a must pick in every single match. Felt like a good way to keep him in check considering all he's doing is holding m2 to become a very effective hero. But I guess actually having a counter for reinhardt is a sin or something. I mean its not like this was supposed to be a counter pick game.

[QUOTE=V3nom;51446075][thumb]http://i.imgur.com/l8m23zk.jpg[/thumb] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/aHeyCQK.jpg[/thumb] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/ycbA2Wc.jpg[/thumb] Each of the points on Oasis, really beautiful map that looks like it's going to be a blast to play[/QUOTE] for a moment i tought the little room in your last screen was the point i was about to say "fuck you blizzard why do you always have to destroy good map with such chokepoint?" but it is in fact surprisingly open. I'm sad that this is the only map that we will receive tought... new maps take ways too much time.. It's a really gorgeous map tought. and yes, it look very alpha y in the sense that only furniture is present and i don't see any interactable trash or anything of the sort there. Can't wait to see the little details of this map, AND MAYBE HERO HINT?

Oasis looks fucking neat but wow that's unfinished. :v: Didn't expect them to launch something like that on PTR though it might just have been an accident. [editline]29th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446054]But what if i'm protecting my entire team with my shield and surprise, sombra comes in and hack my shield from above, i cannot do anything to help them with my melee because i'm not close enough and my team certainly get melted by junkrat and most heroe protected by the enemy rein. [/QUOTE] Then that Sombra did a really good job as one of the few reliable Reinhardt counters. Less reliable now that the hacking is stopped by barriers, but alas.

[QUOTE=Zadrave;51445964]People keep saying this but I never had issues playing as Sombra You play her to disrupt, to punish, and to tell your team about very useful information. It's hard to get any good medals/cards/plays as her, but that's not her job. Her job is recon, you don't play her for those sweet healer picks or damage (not saying she can't do those in the right circumstances) but you need to keep your distance and make sure enemies aren't in line of sight with you. Of course you're going to suck as Sombra if you're not talking to your team about every situation the enemy is in, who is low on health, who is far out of their way and is overextending, what health kits you hacked for your team to use or for the enemy team to not use, if they have ult or not, etc. She is very team dependent and requires, gasp, teamwork and voice chat. All the information you can give to the team is ridiculous and if you're staying quiet you're playing her wrong.[/QUOTE] I know how to play sombra but she's still weak as fuck [IMG]https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1lKSBT9VLyQ.jpg[/IMG] She needs a gigantic buff, the shield hacking would be a good one.

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;51446096]Didn't expect them to launch something like that on PTR though it might just have been an accident.[/QUOTE] It's being speculated that it was an accident, this is way earlier than the original suggested release date.

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;51446096]Oasis looks fucking neat but wow that's unfinished. :v: Didn't expect them to launch something like that on PTR though it might just have been an accident. [editline]29th November 2016[/editline] Then that Sombra did a really good job as one of the few reliable Reinhardt counters. Less reliable now that the hacking is stopped by barriers, but alas.[/QUOTE] I don't really see how it looks unfinished. Am I just missing something here?

[QUOTE=V3nom;51446120]I don't really see how it looks unfinished. Am I just missing something here?[/QUOTE] It lacks a bit of detail compared to a map such as Numbani imo.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51446089]Hacking is a big part of Sombra's kit, and is stupidly preventable. Reinhardt is ridiculously mandatory, and feels like a must pick in every single match. Felt like a good way to keep him in check considering all he's doing is holding m2 to become a very effective hero. But I guess actually having a counter for reinhardt is a sin or something. I mean its not like this was supposed to be a counter pick game.[/QUOTE] Reinhardt is already countered SO FUCKING HARD without his FUCKING shield what don't you FUCKING get for god sake? Reaper MELT him, ROADHOG MELT HIM, JUNKRAT MELT HIM, WIDOW MELT HIM, SOLDIER 76 MELT HIM EVEN MORE, TRACER MELT HIM, ZARYA MELT HIM, TORBJORN MELT HIM WITH HIS M2, BASTION MELT HIM AND HIS SHIELD, Pharah MELT HIM! and you know why half the cast melt him? Because he's a wall. A fucking big ass character, bigger than roadhog himself. why isn't he considered the ult feeder? because of his shield, here's why. You don't have to have good aim to aim at him. Why is he melted by everyone? Because he is a melee character. And that, in itself, is already a big nerf for him. That's IRONIC of you that you say counterpick game, IF YOU ARENT EVEN ABLE TO PICK REAPER to counter him so hard he will break. Sombra hack got a BIGGER range than reinhardt hammer mind you, so he cant do anything by himself when his team is with him and he hid the sombra infront of him. It takes 1,5 sec to sombra to hack him, not enough time to react, turn off your shield and try and hit her and if it fails, you're doomed/hacked. And making Sombra hack his shield? he'll lose his only protection for him and his team. No, the sombra WILL have to actually flank reinhardt and hack his shield to disable it, there's no way reinhardt need to be nerfed to that point. His ult can be truly bullshit, but the heroe kit itself is not the problem.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446128]Reinhardt is already countered SO FUCKING HARD without his FUCKING shield what don't you FUCKING get for god sake? Reaper MELT him, ROADHOG MELT HIM, JUNKRAT MELT HIM, WIDOW MELT HIM, SOLDIER 76 MELT HIM EVEN MORE, TRACER MELT HIM, ZARYA MELT HIM, TORBJORN MELT HIM WITH HIS M2, BASTION MELT HIM AND HIS SHIELD, Pharah MELT HIM! and you know why half the cast melt him? Because he's a wall. A fucking big ass character, bigger than roadhog himself. why isn't he considered the ult feeder? because of his shield, here's why. You don't have to have good aim to aim at him. Why is he melted by everyone? Because he is a melee character. And that, in itself, is already a big nerf for him. That's IRONIC of you that you say counterpick game, IF YOU ARENT EVEN ABLE TO PICK REAPER to counter him so hard he will break. Sombra hack got a BIGGER range than reinhardt hammer mind you, so he cant do anything by himself when his team is with him and he hid the sombra infront of him. It takes 1,5 sec to sombra to hack him, not enough time to react, turn off your shield and try and hit her and if it fails, you're doomed/hacked. And making Sombra hack his shield? he'll lose his only protection for him and his team. No, the sombra WILL have to actually flank reinhardt and hack his shield to disable it, there's no way reinhardt need to be nerfed to that point. His ult can be truly bullshit, but the heroe kit itself is not the problem.[/QUOTE] What crawled up your asshole and died? Look at the rankings I posted. No singular hero(s) should be picked as often as those 3 at the top. Even if you're shitty at him and die a lot, it is a proven fact that Reinhardt is strong as hell. Him getting a hard counter is fine, because his pickrate would still likely be very high.... If Sombra takes even a single point of damage while hacking it cancels plus it has a long cooldown. It's not out of control whatsoever.

[QUOTE=usaokay;51446135]Oasis looks great, but I wish it was another setting rather than Egyptian city. I do want to see Junkrat's apocalyptic hometown or maybe fighting on a ship in the middle of the ocean.[/QUOTE] Oasis is set in the middle eastern desert, i think united arab emirate? or saudis? whatever, it's very middle eastern themed. [editline]29th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;51446163]What crawled up your asshole and died? Look at the rankings I posted. No singular hero(s) should be picked as often as those 3 at the top. Even if you're shitty at him and die a lot, it is a proven fact that Reinhardt is strong as hell. Him getting a hard counter is fine, because his pickrate would still likely be very high.... If Sombra takes even a single point of damage while hacking it cancels plus it has a long cooldown. It's not out of control whatsoever.[/QUOTE] That proves you didn't read my fucking message? He ALREADY got enough hardcounters like this. And reinhardt is picked because of his shield dude, not because he is strong. His hammer only do 75 damage a hit. his ult should be fixed, tought. and your logic that "Top three hero are ALWAYS the most unbalanced!" is just dumb as heck. Lucio is only taken for his speed boost, Ana is only taken for her healing capability (that should be fixed indeed). you will never have every hero being picked really often because there will always be the "holy trinity" of hero. You can't remove Lucio speedboost, nor you can remove Reinhardt shield, which is very countered by Reaper shotgun/Roadhog shotgun/Pharah rocket launcher/ JUNKRAT! is very OP against his shield/ Torbjorn/ Soldier 76/ BASTION!. Pickrate isn't the only good kind of document you have to use to balance the heroe in this game. It doesn't disprove my argument. I'm very agressive on this, but it's very frustrating to play as reinhardt considering he's VERY HEAVILY team based and if your team suck.. so do you because they will never be there with you with your shield, and you will be focused really hard. And i will keep saying this : REINHARDT. IS. THE. MOST. BALANCED. CHARACTER. IN THE GAME.

I thought oasis was meant to be payload?

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51446194]I thought oasis was meant to be payload?[/QUOTE] It was always meant to be a KOTH map? What would be the point of environment kill and jump pad if it was a payload map? :v: They really focused on the "environment kill" in this part saying that the implementation of those will bring a new set of tool for the developer to create very original content.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446203]It was always meant to be a KOTH map? What would be the point of environment kill and jump pad if it was a payload map? :v: They really focused on the "environment kill" in this part saying that the implementation of those will bring a new set of tool for the developer to create very original content.[/QUOTE] oh, I got confused coz they call it "control" instead of "koth" Also the jump pad and environmental kill thing are really super understated, at least at the moment... really hope they amp it up a little coz it's only on a single of the maps and is barely relevant

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51446225]oh, I got confused coz they call it "control" instead of "koth" Also the jump pad and environmental kill thing are really super understated, at least at the moment... really hope they amp it up a little coz it's only on a single of the maps and is barely relevant[/QUOTE] Imagine the microwave on the wall because the jump pad seems to be closed like a cylinder with no roof. Symmetra would rock there.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446128]Reinhardt is already countered SO FUCKING HARD without his FUCKING shield what don't you FUCKING get for god sake? Reaper MELT him, ROADHOG MELT HIM, JUNKRAT MELT HIM, WIDOW MELT HIM, SOLDIER 76 MELT HIM EVEN MORE, TRACER MELT HIM, ZARYA MELT HIM, TORBJORN MELT HIM WITH HIS M2, BASTION MELT HIM AND HIS SHIELD, Pharah MELT HIM! and you know why half the cast melt him? Because he's a wall. A fucking big ass character, bigger than roadhog himself. why isn't he considered the ult feeder? because of his shield, here's why. You don't have to have good aim to aim at him. Why is he melted by everyone? Because he is a melee character. And that, in itself, is already a big nerf for him. That's IRONIC of you that you say counterpick game, IF YOU ARENT EVEN ABLE TO PICK REAPER to counter him so hard he will break. Sombra hack got a BIGGER range than reinhardt hammer mind you, so he cant do anything by himself when his team is with him and he hid the sombra infront of him. It takes 1,5 sec to sombra to hack him, not enough time to react, turn off your shield and try and hit her and if it fails, you're doomed/hacked. And making Sombra hack his shield? he'll lose his only protection for him and his team. No, the sombra WILL have to actually flank reinhardt and hack his shield to disable it, there's no way reinhardt need to be nerfed to that point. His ult can be truly bullshit, but the heroe kit itself is not the problem.[/QUOTE] I never saw shooting into a shield and having that shield inevitably break as a counter. Your shield blocked their shots, your blocking them. Not the other way around. A counter is a big scary Russian woman who ignores your shield in the first place and chews through armor like popcorn. Sombra isn't without counterplay either, literally any chip damage stops her from being able to function entirely. So the only matchups you'd be losing are 1v1 fights, in a team game.

[video=youtube;6QsxhhKJQ5k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QsxhhKJQ5k[/video]

[QUOTE=Oizen;51446283]I never saw shooting into a shield and having that shield inevitably break as a counter. A counter is a big scary Russian woman who ignores your shield in the first place and chews through armor like popcorn. Sombra isn't without counterplay either, literally any chip damage stops her from being able to function entirely. So the only matchups you'd be losing are 1v1 fights, in a team game.[/QUOTE] That's right, but hacking has a long range and many maps got platforms high enough for sombra to be able to hack safely. And really? You never saw a shield breaking or something? Well, it's probably because breaking it put it on cooldown, and that's normal, rein would take covers and wait for it to reload while occasionaly firestriking. Nerfing reinhardt shield to be hackable would add NOTHING to the sombra gameplay honestly, it would make it more hard for rein to defend his team and makes him die very quickly if he gets hacked, and what the fuck would sombra do in the first place against a fucking reinhardt with his team, in the middle of the fight just to try and hack reinhardt? I'm strongly against making rein's shield hackable from the front. they should touch sombra ability. certainly not reinhardt, he got enough bullshit against him, not blizzard fault if nobody want to try and attack his shield and pick a hero who counters him.

You sound like a really sour reinhardt main, honestly.

Somebody have the OW matchmaking workout game to link? Thanks.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446346] Nerfing reinhardt shield to be hackable would add NOTHING to the sombra gameplay honestly,[/QUOTE] I get it. You main reinhardt and are touchy about him.

Me, Mei. First capture of Egypt Reaper comes though the choke-point and sees me off to the left I use ice heal (at full HP) in plain sight, an break it early to run away. He sees and gives chase Right past my Roadhog friend hiding behind the arch Continue doing this all match. They never learn.

[video=youtube;pC_FJM8CRII]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC_FJM8CRII[/video]

[QUOTE=Oliolio;51446377]You sound like a really sour reinhardt main, honestly.[/QUOTE] Eh,that's the complete opposite, i'm a Pharah Player. Play nice, Play Pharah! My favorite tanks is Rein, tought.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446165] That proves you didn't read my fucking message? He ALREADY got enough hardcounters like this. And reinhardt is picked because of his shield dude, not because he is strong. His hammer only do 75 damage a hit. his ult should be fixed, tought. [/QUOTE] Yeah, and if his shield makes him the best pick in ~90% of all situations, then he is by definition overpowered and not properly countered. He's not [I]broken[/I], but he is definitely way stronger than many/most other tanks which makes him overpowered in comparison.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51446165] And i will keep saying this : REINHARDT. IS. THE. MOST. BALANCED. CHARACTER. IN THE GAME.[/QUOTE] What is Earthshatter.

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;51446614]What is Earthshatter.[/QUOTE] A pretty decent ultimate. It's not overpowered.

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;51446656]A pretty decent ultimate. It's not overpowered.[/QUOTE] Oh yes a stun that works instantly with no way to escape The only way to stop it is another Reinhardt At least with Zarya's ult you have a chance to escape or shield yourself

Earthshatter was more disgustingly broken than Blizzard was but Blizzard got the additional nerf. The reinhardt balanced meme needs to end.

[QUOTE=Zadrave;51446663]Oh yes a stun that works instantly with no way to escape The only way to stop it is another Reinhardt[/QUOTE] There's also the idea of adjusting your playstyle based on who you're fighting against as in, don't conveniently line up your team for him to hit you all with it. It's also blocked by a lot of objects like cars. I think reinhardt is kind of an unfun hero to play against, but not cuz of earthshatter

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51446673]There's also the idea of adjusting your playstyle based on who you're fighting against as in, don't conveniently line up your team for him to hit you all with it. It's also blocked by a lot of objects like cars. I think reinhardt is kind of an unfun hero to play against, but not cuz of earthshatter[/QUOTE] Any smart Reinhardt player wouldn't use their earthshatter until there wasn't cars in the way, or when people ARE grouped up for a push. It's instant. You can't do anything about it. You're going to die.