[QUOTE=unlimi_Ted;51359829]I've actually thought a lot about how we could use a flamethrower hero
The main critisisms of the Pyro in TF2 was being a "W+M1" class and despite being presented as an ambush or flanking class by Valve most pyro play seemed to just be people wildly spraying fire around as they ran across the map
So I tried to think of a flamethrower hero that was completely different
The first part being the range
[t]http://img01.deviantart.net/1a75/i/2009/098/a/7/1940s_flame_thrower_by_taffytheterrible.jpg[/t]
flamethrowers actually have an enormous range, despite what the borderline melee range of the Pyro showed us. Rather than a short range cone of damage like winston has, it would be more of a focused beam like Zarya has, with a slight trailing when you move your aim like Mei's left click
Actually I suppose a longer ranged Mei freeze beam would be more accurate than Zarya's
covering such a large swath in front of you in a field of damage-over-time flames sounds obnovious though unless they did practically no damage, so to fix that and the "W+M1" concept, the flamethrower would have a brief startup before doing damage like the Heavy's minigun and there would be either a movement slow like D.Va's or an aim/turn speed slow while firing.
In the end, the hero ends up playing more like the Heavy than the Pyro, and is intended to be either Defense or Tank
The other primary feature I've been trying to balance was the hero's defensive ability, a smokescreen that can be walked through and shot into uninhibited but completely blocks line of sight abilities and targeting
[editline]12th November 2016[/editline]
Also I have no idea how reloading a flamethrower would work, so I think it'd be neat if it had an overheating feature instead[/QUOTE]
WM1 definitely isn't the biggest problem with pyro, if you die to wm1 it's because you were flanked or you're awful at the game. The problem with pyro is that his flamethrower is so inconsistent that you're better off fucking around with air blast and his secondaries than using the fire very much at all.
Pyro either kills me in 1 second or takes a long fucking time to kill me. I feel like Pyro damage is inconsistent, sometimes i'm close to him and i don't die but sometime im close to him and i get instashot. Ping and latency maybe?
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;51359856]9 game losing streak lost 300 sr
nice[/QUOTE]
Should've followed the whole "2 losses come back later/tomorrow" rule. :\
I hate tilts like that. Today has been a good day.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51359976]Pyro either kills me in 1 second or takes a long fucking time to kill me. I feel like Pyro damage is inconsistent, sometimes i'm close to him and i don't die but sometime im close to him and i get instashot. Ping and latency maybe?[/QUOTE]
yes, pyro is the only class in the game whose dps output is decided by ping
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51359976]Pyro either kills me in 1 second or takes a long fucking time to kill me. I feel like Pyro damage is inconsistent, sometimes i'm close to him and i don't die but sometime im close to him and i get instashot. Ping and latency maybe?[/QUOTE]
That and the way flame particles move in TF2 is very delayed and hard to track if your ping is slightly off. Mei's particles are way faster, less spread out and consistent in comparison.
[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/kdbafv.webm[/vid]
Two for the price of one. :v:
[QUOTE=Bugga12;51360162][vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/kdbafv.webm[/vid]
Two for the price of one. :v:[/QUOTE]
What in the actual fuck is that disgusting reticle
[QUOTE=EuSKalduna;51360191]What in the actual fuck is that disgusting reticle[/QUOTE]
It apparently doesn't save after you're out of the match. I have the circle one ingame, for Lucio.
[QUOTE=KnightLight;51358600]This actually brings up a lot of questions regarding the nature of Reaper's wraith form. Can he actually separate into two? How does he even control being a big ol' cloud of black smoke anyway; Like, where does his brain go? How does he always re-form himself perfectly; Could he potentially put himself back together wrong if he's like, not concentrating hard enough?
...Also I'm pretty sure in the Sombra short Reaper could have gone over the wall instead of waiting for Sombra to open it; that area of Volskaya Industries is outdoors, so why didn't he just ghost over the wall? Is his wraith form bound by gravity?
I think I've opened up a can of worms here.[/QUOTE]
his wraith form doesn't appear to go more than a few inches from the ground in the short.
[vid]https://giant.gfycat.com/DearestDefiniteAfricanfisheagle.webm[/vid]
I got bored so I may have mapped a wiimote and nunchuck to control Zenyatta
[QUOTE=Pw0nageXD;51360450][vid]https://giant.gfycat.com/DearestDefiniteAfricanfisheagle.webm[/vid]
I got bored so I may have mapped a wiimote and nunchuck to control Zenyatta[/QUOTE]
That is amazing! You ought to put that on reddit, gonna get famous.
Had a Reinhardt pit me because I used my jump jet in attempt to avoid his Earthshatter, but because Earthshatter makes no fucking sense I still got stunned while flying and casually dropped into a pit.
[QUOTE=unlimi_Ted;51359829]I've actually thought a lot about how we could use a flamethrower hero
The main critisisms of the Pyro in TF2 was being a "W+M1" class and despite being presented as an ambush or flanking class by Valve most pyro play seemed to just be people wildly spraying fire around as they ran across the map
So I tried to think of a flamethrower hero that was completely different
The first part being the range
(pic)
flamethrowers actually have an enormous range, despite what the borderline melee range of the Pyro showed us. Rather than a short range cone of damage like winston has, it would be more of a focused beam like Zarya has, with a slight trailing when you move your aim like Mei's left click
Actually I suppose a longer ranged Mei freeze beam would be more accurate than Zarya's
covering such a large swath in front of you in a field of damage-over-time flames sounds obnovious though unless they did practically no damage, so to fix that and the "W+M1" concept, the flamethrower would have a brief startup before doing damage like the Heavy's minigun and there would be either a movement slow like D.Va's or an aim/turn speed slow while firing.
In the end, the hero ends up playing more like the Heavy than the Pyro, and is intended to be either Defense or Tank
The other primary feature I've been trying to balance was the hero's defensive ability, a smokescreen that can be walked through and shot into uninhibited but completely blocks line of sight abilities and targeting
[editline]12th November 2016[/editline]
Also I have no idea how reloading a flamethrower would work, so I think it'd be neat if it had an overheating feature instead[/QUOTE]
Maybe instead of a classic flamethrower they could use something similar to the Heavy Incinerator from Fallout 3 which shoots fireballs that leave a small AOE where they land?
that's it
i will not play any fucking support anymore
those class are weak and shit
THAT WAS THE LAST FUCKING TIME
WHY CANT I KILL A FUCKING MEI AS A REAPER? WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? I GO ON WRAITH FORM WHEN I'M ABOUT TO GET FROZEN BUT SHE FOLLOWS ME AND REDO IT AGAIN KILLING ME
[editline]12th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Narlo445;51360693]Maybe instead of a classic flamethrower they could use something similar to the Heavy Incinerator from Fallout 3 which shoots fireballs that leave a small AOE where they land?[/QUOTE]
that look similars to Zarya right click when she shoot bomb
I'm still surprised that there isn't some kind of aoe zone denier skill like a molotov or something. Mei's ult is closest thing, but that's an ult and more for the CC than the damage.
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51360696]WHY CANT I KILL A FUCKING MEI AS A REAPER? WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? I GO ON WRAITH FORM WHEN I'M ABOUT TO GET FROZEN BUT SHE FOLLOWS ME AND REDO IT AGAIN KILLING ME[/QUOTE]
Get close to her and move your mouse such that a ray projected from your camera along your aim direction intersects her head.
WHY is Watchpoint Gibraltar littered with DVA mains? Everytime I get that map there are dva mains
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51360696]that's it
i will not play any fucking support anymore
those class are weak and shit
THAT WAS THE LAST FUCKING TIME
WHY CANT I KILL A FUCKING MEI AS A REAPER? WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? I GO ON WRAITH FORM WHEN I'M ABOUT TO GET FROZEN BUT SHE FOLLOWS ME AND REDO IT AGAIN KILLING ME
[editline]12th November 2016[/editline]
that look similars to Zarya right click when she shoot bomb[/QUOTE]
Did Reaper become a support character while I was not looking
[editline]13th November 2016[/editline]
I mean he can heal more than symmetra alright
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51360696]that's it
i will not play any fucking support anymore
those class are weak and shit
THAT WAS THE LAST FUCKING TIME
WHY CANT I KILL A FUCKING MEI AS A REAPER? WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? I GO ON WRAITH FORM WHEN I'M ABOUT TO GET FROZEN BUT SHE FOLLOWS ME AND REDO IT AGAIN KILLING ME
[editline]12th November 2016[/editline]
that look similars to Zarya right click when she shoot bomb[/QUOTE]
if you wanna kill a mei as reaper click on her head lmao
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51361132]if you wanna kill a mei as reaper click on her head lmao[/QUOTE]
people somehow don't understand this and that's how they get frozen
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51361132]if you wanna kill a mei as reaper click on her head lmao[/QUOTE]
Yeah but it takes two shot to kill her in the head, and during that times she already froze me. Plus, what do i do when i'm not in the range? Her freeze range is big compared ot reaper ideal range to headshot.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YjHdxi4.png[/IMG]
So game today told me "Fuck you."
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51361161]Yeah but it takes two shot to kill her in the head, and during that times she already froze me. Plus, what do i do when i'm not in the range? Her freeze range is big compared ot reaper ideal range to headshot.[/QUOTE]
Actually if you get a really nice shot it only takes one to kill her. And in the time it takes you to get off two shots she will not have frozen you anyway. If she caught you in the perfect range to freeze you while you can't kill her and you can't get away with Wraith Form, she outplayed you
[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;51361161]Yeah but it takes two shot to kill her in the head, and during that times she already froze me. Plus, what do i do when i'm not in the range? Her freeze range is big compared ot reaper ideal range to headshot.[/QUOTE]
Reaper has 0.5 seconds between shots.
Mei takes about 1.56 seconds to freeze.
If you aren't in range you just do as much damage as possible then wraith
[QUOTE=Nightfury;51361171][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YjHdxi4.png[/IMG]
So game today told me "Fuck you."[/QUOTE]
I don't remember the last quick play match i had that didn't have extreme level differences.
I wonder why you can't end Wraith Form early like you can with Mei's icecube.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51361448]I wonder why you can't end Wraith Form early like you can with Mei's icecube.[/QUOTE]
Because being able to instantly cancel wraith form and dump on a Roadhog/McCree would be insane
Mei used to be able to wipe people before they got smart and camped the head area of her ice block.
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