[QUOTE=Gamerman12;47990991]it may feel like a short time, but we had 5 years (depending on your country) between the gamecube and the wii. 6 years between the ps2 and ps3. [B]4[/B] years between the Xbox and Xbox 360. Though, a more recient example, we had 8 years between the Xbox One and Xbox 360 (and that was painful for many different reasons.) And 6 years between the Wii and the Wii U. In general, a console's lifecycle is 5-6 years, and it's been 3 since we got the Wii U. I can only assume we're looking at a 2017 release for the NX, as it's announcement will probably be a year later than when we actually get info about it. 5 years ain't too bad, but it probably feels short because gaming has been going by fast as of late.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that even despite strong first-party support, the lack of third-party support combined with a startling lack of a large number of powerful titles makes it all seem a bit lacking.
I hope they drop all controller gimmicks for the next console.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47991088]I hope they drop all controller gimmicks for the next console.[/QUOTE]
If there's a gimmick, the key is to make it [i]optional[/i], and always provide options for those who do not like said gimmick.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47991088]I hope they drop all controller gimmicks for the next console.[/QUOTE]
Man I hate gimmicky controllers. Remember how the N64's had an analog stick? Or the Gamecube's had analog triggers? Man, what's with Nintendo and gimmicks huh? Why can't they be like everyone else?
[sp]Gimmicks are one of the biggest reasons for Nintendo's success. They innovate, others imitate; just look at what happened to controllers after the N64, pretty much exactly what went down after the Wii dropped and motion controls blew up. Big N does something different and is frequently criticized for it, everyone else realized afterward that it's actually not a half bad idea, they do it too. You can't argue against gimmicks without first understanding the positives they've brought.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Everything;47991157]Gimmicks are one of the biggest reasons for Nintendo's success. They innovate, others imitate; just look at what happened to controllers after the N64, pretty much exactly what went down after the Wii dropped and motion controls blew up. If you eliminate that, you eliminate part of Nintendo's core philosophy.[/QUOTE]
Totally. I enjoy the gamepad waaay more than all the 3D or motion control nonsense that never went anywhere. I think that little screen is the most innovative thing we've seen in games in while and I'm worried we'll never see it again. If the Wii U's successor is just like the PS4 or Xbone, it will lose it's "identity" that sets it apart.
Nintendo has as much chance of releasing a totally gimmick-free system as it has going third party, and I'd say they'd happen at about the same time, because that system would bomb harder than the Saturn for being totally ordinary in every way with no compelling reason to get it other than exclusives.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;47991068]And they introduce a black-colored trooper, who happens to be the only black character in the cast[/QUOTE]
and we come full circle, joining the prime and other m canons
the room goes dark, the crowd goes silent, and on the speakers a familiar theme begins to play as the Metroid logo appears
cheers soon descend into boos as Other M then fades in beneath it
"remember this?"
Other M then explodes and joins Duke Nukem Forever in a trash bin as Super Metroid Remake appears instead and a million people around the world explode in orgasms simultaneously while the rest play contrarian and complain about Nintendo ruining their childhoods
[QUOTE=Everything;47991157]Man I hate gimmicky controllers. Remember how the N64's had an analog stick? Or the Gamecube's had analog triggers? Man, what's with Nintendo and gimmicks huh? Why can't they be like everyone else?
[sp]Gimmicks are one of the biggest reasons for Nintendo's success. They innovate, others imitate; just look at what happened to controllers after the N64, pretty much exactly what went down after the Wii dropped and motion controls blew up. Big N does something different and is frequently criticized for it, everyone else realized afterward that it's actually not a half bad idea, they do it too. You can't argue against gimmicks without first understanding the positives they've brought.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Of course I understand that, doesn't mean I can't wish for them to go back to a normal controller tho.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47991523]Of course I understand that, doesn't mean I can't wish for them to go back to a normal controller tho.[/QUOTE]
They've never used a normal controller. Every controller in each generation was an odd one. I get what you're saying though, you want something that third parties can actually port their multiplats over to
[QUOTE=Everything;47991272]Nintendo has as much chance of releasing a totally gimmick-free system as it has going third party, and I'd say they'd happen at about the same time, because that system would bomb harder than the Saturn for being totally ordinary in every way with no compelling reason to get it other than exclusives.[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously suggesting that the 3DS' 3D or the WiiU gamepad have anywhere near as much influence on people buying the consoles compared to games like Pokemon, Mario Kart or Smash Bros?
And Motion Controls are not a good argument. The nintendo Wii was really popular with a large number of casuals who rarely bought more than one game and put off a lot of their core players, and the many imitators that followed were unsuccessful at exciting even the casuals.
I'm not against Nintendo innovating. I like the gamepad, I like the touchscreen stuff, but if you think that has half as much to do with their consoles' success as their IPs then you are fooling yourself. The WiiU had innovations from day1, but it took games like Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros and Splatoon for it to start to get popular.
[QUOTE=Kegan;47991602]They've never used a normal controller. Every controller in each generation was an odd one. I get what you're saying though, you want something that third parties can actually port their multiplats over to[/QUOTE]
What was odd about the gamecube controller?
The gamepad would be a huge success if it wasnt for the WiiU console have a dumb name and being weaker that Xbone and PS4. Imagine Fallout 4 with the pipboy being on the gamepad?
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47991651]What was odd about the gamecube controller?[/QUOTE]
The fact it de-emphasized the Dpad, added analog triggers, had standard rumble, changed up the dual stick placement people were used to from the Dualshock... It was weird at the time.
[editline]17th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rufia;47991619]Are you seriously suggesting that the 3DS' 3D or the WiiU gamepad have anywhere near as much influence on people buying the consoles compared to games like Pokemon, Mario Kart or Smash Bros?[/QUOTE]
When exclusive software is the only reason to get your console, you've failed to make compelling hardware.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47991651]What was odd about the gamecube controller?[/QUOTE]
Besides what everything said, it also had 3 shoulder buttons compared to Sony's 4 and the Xbox's black and white buttons, plus you couldn't click the sticks down, further separating it from Sony and Microsoft's controllers, and unfortunately crippling their third party support further.
Plus look at the fucking thing, it's layout and shape is so weird compared to the others
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/6th_Gen_Controllers.jpg[/IMG]
Granted I really dug the gamecube controller for first party games, it sucked for anything else
Never thought of it that way, seeing as I grew up with it it always felt natural to me. Thanks for explaining.
[QUOTE=Everything;47991670]When exclusive software is the only reason to get your console, you've failed to make compelling hardware.[/QUOTE]
Software is the only reason to get a console period.
[QUOTE=Rufia;47991759]Software is the only reason to get a console period.[/QUOTE]
The ability to play a game in a way other than what a PC can give you is the only reason to get a console. It's why a good number of people these days have a gaming PC and a Nintendo system, and nothing else.
It used to be the ability to play a game on your TV using a controller, but PC has really roughed that up in recent years, so hardware differentiation in consoles is more critical than ever now. Outside Nintendo, software exclusivity is a very uncertain thing due to the hardware it's on not grabbing enough attention to sell that software. Look at Dead Rising 3.
[editline]17th June 2015[/editline]
I get what you're saying, but they're both very important. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm trying to explain the other half of the equation you and a good chunk of the industry are missing.
Fast racing neo looks really fun.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47991749]Never thought of it that way, seeing as I grew up with it it always felt natural to me. Thanks for explaining.[/QUOTE]
No problem, I try to view all consoles from an outside perspective and it really helps with making purchases and all that.
well except for Nintendo consoles, that shit's so deeply ingrained into my brain I just buy them on launch :v:
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47991862]Fast racing neo looks really fun.[/QUOTE]
It looks really similar to F-Zero, and that's great.
The F-Zero Neo part is over already
aw man
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;47991088]I hope they drop all controller gimmicks for the next console.[/QUOTE]
The Gamepad is fucking great, are you kidding me? Easily one of the best things in console gaming in the last three generations.
I could do without the Wiimotes, but there are a few games that they're still better with. I just wish there weren't SO MANY controllers for me to have.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47991862]Fast racing neo looks really fun.[/QUOTE]
it looks like the love hcild of FZero and Wipeout. Definitely considering it
[QUOTE=Kegan;47991722]Besides what everything said, it also had 3 shoulder buttons compared to Sony's 4 and the Xbox's black and white buttons, plus you couldn't click the sticks down, further separating it from Sony and Microsoft's controllers, and unfortunately crippling their third party support further.
Plus look at the fucking thing, it's layout and shape is so weird compared to the others
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/6th_Gen_Controllers.jpg[/IMG]
Granted I really dug the gamecube controller for first party games, it sucked for anything else[/QUOTE]
Holy crap, the Dreamcast controller is an abomination.
Someone posted this on r/nintendo
[URL]http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-books-299-seat-theater-for-e3-2015-3-booths-reserved/[/URL]
It wasn't used for nwc and it's probably for the round table after treehouse tomorrow
Which probably means smash/splatoon big news.
What they could have done with the animal crossing amiibo festival is make it not just limited to animal crossing. It could have been our first nintendo party game! I think they could have also kept the amiibo system if they wanted but its not exactly needed. The game being free is pretty nice though and I can't wait to get as may of the animal crossing amiibos as I can.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47992108]Someone posted this on r/nintendo
[URL]http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-books-299-seat-theater-for-e3-2015-3-booths-reserved/[/URL]
It wasn't used for nwc and it's probably for the round table after treehouse tomorrow
Which probably means smash/splatoon big news.[/QUOTE]
this is news from February though. Could have changed since.
But I think I've heard they're gonna show off a new game tomorrow so stuff may be happening for real.
[QUOTE=_charon;47992020]Holy crap, the Dreamcast controller is an abomination.[/QUOTE]
Actually the Dreamcast controller was pretty comfortable and a predecessor of the Xbox controller.
the dreamcast controller is the best controller to use when you are trying to kill someone
[editline]17th June 2015[/editline]
not that I would know
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