[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;48113584]Man thoses textures are garbage, they look really strange on the simple designs that pokemon have. They should have settled for a cartoon/cell shaded theme imo.[/QUOTE]
I quite like the style they got going, but the textures are a bit too noisy. If they lowered the contrast on the main body I wouldn't mind so much.
Oh neat pageking.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;48112160]If I buy the Metroid Prime Trilogy from the Wii Virtual Console thing am I able to play it without the nunchucks?
Also, is Paper Mario worth it? Only played Legend of thousand year door and thought that it was great.[/QUOTE]
No, unfortunately, you can't play the Metroid Prime Trilogy without a Nunchuk controller.
Paper Mario is definitely worth it.
[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;48113584]Man thoses textures are garbage, they look really strange on the simple designs that pokemon have. They should have settled for a cartoon/cell shaded theme imo.[/QUOTE]
Pokemon Snap has better models.
Once again i hope this is not true.
[url]http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/237759-rumor-nx-won-t-be-as-powerful-as-ps4[/url]
[QUOTE=Panda Jerk;48120956]Once again i hope this is not true.
[url]http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/237759-rumor-nx-won-t-be-as-powerful-as-ps4[/url][/QUOTE]
I hope so too, but I wouldn't doubt it.
I wonder what makes him so "absolutely sure"
Is it a mobile thing that hooks to the TV? That's all I could think of
Or it's a streaming console and the physical power of it is irrelevant.
[QUOTE=Panda Jerk;48120956]Once again i hope this is not true.
[url]http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/237759-rumor-nx-won-t-be-as-powerful-as-ps4[/url][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, he is usually right about these things.
He has a lot of inside sources.
If that's true then there goes any chances of Nintendo finally getting good third party support.
To be fair, people buy a Nintendo console for what Nintendo makes. They don't usually buy a PS4 or an XBO for what Sony or Microsoft make, they buy them for multiplats and (laughably temporary these days) exclusives.
Things like Halo 5 and Last Guardian are outliers, the average person buys one of those two systems for games they could play on either (the latest big shooter, sports or racing game), getting the one that other people they know have so they can play together. The appeal of a Nintendo console however is the knowledge you'll be able to play a bunch of games Nintendo makes, and that's one of the bigger ways they've stayed relevant this long. There's good reason why many PC gamers will still own a Nintendo system even if they dislike consoles, their software is compelling enough to sell systems just by itself.
[editline]4th July 2015[/editline]
Hardware strength is not the factor third parties look for. What they dislike about Nintendo (particularly the multiplat makers) is that their software faces much stronger competition on a system with such sure-to-sell first party games, based around iconic characters and appealing to huge audiences. They struggle to compete with that, so they choose not to, or to drastically limit the budget for future titles they're certain wouldn't outsell New Super Mario 3D World
They don't want to say "we can't beat Mario" of course, so they throw the hardware under the bus instead.
[QUOTE=Everything;48121746]To be fair, people buy a Nintendo console for what Nintendo makes. They don't usually buy a PS4 or an XBO for what Sony or Microsoft make, they buy them for multiplats and (laughably temporary these days) exclusives.
Things like Halo 5 and Last Guardian are outliers, the average person buys one of those two systems for games they could play on either (the latest big shooter, sports or racing game), getting the one that other people they know have so they can play together. The appeal of a Nintendo console however is the knowledge you'll be able to play a bunch of games Nintendo makes, and that's one of the bigger ways they've stayed relevant this long. There's good reason why many PC gamers will still own a Nintendo system even if they dislike consoles, their software is compelling enough to sell systems just by itself.
[editline]4th July 2015[/editline]
Hardware strength is not the factor third parties look for. What they dislike about Nintendo (particularly the multiplat makers) is that their software faces much stronger competition on a system with such sure-to-sell first party games, based around iconic characters and appealing to huge audiences. They struggle to compete with that, so they choose not to, or to drastically limit the budget for future titles they're certain wouldn't outsell New Super Mario 3D World
They don't want to say "we can't beat Mario" of course, so they throw the hardware under the bus instead.[/QUOTE]
I also remember that Nintendo was very strict in the past when shipping dev kits.
This might have change but that might have influence it. Then again, the past is the past and Nintendo have opened up a lot more, especially with the tons of crossovers we've been getting in the last decade.
And to clarify, I'm not stating that all third parties behave like that. There are some that stick with it and really start to shine for their efforts.
Ones like EA and Ubisoft though... They despised the fact they don't get a free ride like they do on the other two (they don't have as much to compete with as far as hugely notable games go), so they took their ball and went home. Ubisoft later realized this was a very poor PR move, but EA hasn't.
[editline]4th July 2015[/editline]
Nintendo has stepped up as far as extending their platform to out-of-house developers, and they've grown quite fond of indies, but even then, some companies just don't want to play ball with them, often for reasons they themselves created (IE, "There are no third party games for this system, so we are not going to make any third party games for this system")
This is a cycle that's been happening ever since the Wii, and it has yet to break.
[QUOTE=Everything;48121746]To be fair, people buy a Nintendo console for what Nintendo makes. They don't usually buy a PS4 or an XBO for what Sony or Microsoft make, they buy them for multiplats and (laughably temporary these days) exclusives.
Things like Halo 5 and Last Guardian are outliers, the average person buys one of those two systems for games they could play on either (the latest big shooter, sports or racing game), getting the one that other people they know have so they can play together. The appeal of a Nintendo console however is the knowledge you'll be able to play a bunch of games Nintendo makes, and that's one of the bigger ways they've stayed relevant this long. There's good reason why many PC gamers will still own a Nintendo system even if they dislike consoles, their software is compelling enough to sell systems just by itself.
[editline]4th July 2015[/editline]
Hardware strength is not the factor third parties look for. What they dislike about Nintendo (particularly the multiplat makers) is that their software faces much stronger competition on a system with such sure-to-sell first party games, based around iconic characters and appealing to huge audiences. They struggle to compete with that, so they choose not to, or to drastically limit the budget for future titles they're certain wouldn't outsell New Super Mario 3D World
They don't want to say "we can't beat Mario" of course, so they throw the hardware under the bus instead.[/QUOTE]
Hardware strength is 100% what 3rd party looks for. Sony and Microsoft both asked what developers what they wanted in there next console and a powerful machine is what they got. But Nintendo dumbass decided to ignore everyone and thus 3rd party ignored them. If the WiiU had the power of PS4 is would probably dominate the market with the Gamepad.
That's what big-money multiplat makers want. They're the ones who want all the systems available to be identical to ensure they sell the maximum number of copies of their game possible with as little effort as possible. The port-and-profit mentality a lot of big publishers we love to hate treat as their governing mantra.
For developers interested in making something new, power is only part of the equation. There are other things like hardware features, demographic, untapped niches and many, many more they have to think about.
[QUOTE=Everything;48121746]To be fair, people buy a Nintendo console for what Nintendo makes. They don't usually buy a PS4 or an XBO for what Sony or Microsoft make, they buy them for multiplats and (laughably temporary these days) exclusives.
Things like Halo 5 and Last Guardian are outliers, the average person buys one of those two systems for games they could play on either (the latest big shooter, sports or racing game), getting the one that other people they know have so they can play together. The appeal of a Nintendo console however is the knowledge you'll be able to play a bunch of games Nintendo makes, and that's one of the bigger ways they've stayed relevant this long. There's good reason why many PC gamers will still own a Nintendo system even if they dislike consoles, their software is compelling enough to sell systems just by itself.
[editline]4th July 2015[/editline]
Hardware strength is not the factor third parties look for. What they dislike about Nintendo (particularly the multiplat makers) is that their software faces much stronger competition on a system with such sure-to-sell first party games, based around iconic characters and appealing to huge audiences. They struggle to compete with that, so they choose not to, or to drastically limit the budget for future titles they're certain wouldn't outsell New Super Mario 3D World
They don't want to say "we can't beat Mario" of course, so they throw the hardware under the bus instead.[/QUOTE]
Personally I agree, I do buy Nintendo's console for their exclusives.
But if they can't get third party games I'm not sure if I'm going to pay 300 euros for a console again, I'm better off just spending that money on PC parts.
[QUOTE=Everything;48121935]That's what big-money multiplat makers want. They're the ones who want all the systems available to be identical to ensure they sell the maximum number of copies of their game possible with as little effort as possible. The port-and-profit mentality a lot of big publishers we love to hate treat as their governing mantra.
For developers interested in making something new, power is only part of the equation. There are other things like hardware features, demographic, untapped niches and many, many more they have to think about.[/QUOTE]
Yes but the consoles with the most power are the best selling ones and the install base is bigger so developers make games for it to make money. Microsoft has had a long history with Indies and Sony does too. Nintendo just started a relationship with Indies but most of the games are mutliplat because the install base is so low and probably don't make a huge profit.
The Wii and DS sold remarkably well (among the best-selling systems ever) despite both being sorely underpowered for the time, with the latter's most memorable and interesting games being largely third party. Not to mention the PS2 sold the best of the gen before that despite being the weakest of the three.
Power is only one factor.
[QUOTE=Panda Jerk;48120956]Once again i hope this is not true.
[url]http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/237759-rumor-nx-won-t-be-as-powerful-as-ps4[/url][/QUOTE]
Who the hell would buy a console as powerful as the PS4 halfway through the gen's lifecycle? That'd be suicide for Nintendo. Not to mention the fact that this is supposedly a "third pillar" to the wii u and the 3ds, I don't think it'd try to compete (as if nintendo competed in the first place).
I saw one prediction that I felt they'd do- the NX will be cheap, low powered, and will be released as both a handheld AND a console. The handheld would release in 2016, the console would release in 2017, but both will run on very similar (if not exactly alike) hardware. The west will prefer the console, the east will prefer the handheld, but the games will work on both. If you happen to own both, you'll be able to transfer between easily thanks to DeNA working the account system (one I hope will carry over to the wii u and 3ds), but for the most part people will choose one or the other. The fact that they said that third parties gave a "positive" response probably means mobile games will be on it, though that's just a theory. Overall, I don't expect it to replace the wii u, nor do I expect it to be that popular. Still, it'd be interesting for them.
[QUOTE=Everything;48122149]The Wii and DS sold remarkably well (among the best-selling systems ever) despite both being sorely underpowered for the time, with the latter's most memorable and interesting games being largely third party. Not to mention the PS2 sold the best of the gen before that despite being the weakest of the three.
Power is only one factor.[/QUOTE]
There was no competition for the DS besides the PSP and even then both had a good share of games. The Wii was cheaper and easier to develop for and the majority of the Wii library was junk. You can't compare 3rd party games for the Wii to the 3rd party games for the PS3 or 360.
You forgot that I mentioned the PS2
Most of its library was shovelware too, but that's because it was the hot thing to develop for. Happens with anything popular, just look at pretty much any app store.
[editline]4th July 2015[/editline]
My point is simply that power isn't the ONLY reason third parties go to a console. Using an absolute was a fallacy to begin with.
[url=http://i.imgur.com/UCxJ1ZF.png]The rumor is probably full of shit if the guy's flip-flopping like this.[/url]
[QUOTE=mark6789;48121912]Hardware strength is 100% what 3rd party looks for. Sony and Microsoft both asked what developers what they wanted in there next console and a powerful machine is what they got. But Nintendo dumbass decided to ignore everyone and thus 3rd party ignored them. If the WiiU had the power of PS4 is would probably dominate the market with the Gamepad.[/QUOTE]
Hardware is certainly a part of it, but I think the stigma is a more important aspect of it.
Like the WiiU originally had a stigma of selling poorly, so Third Parties avoided it for the most part. That in turn generated a stigma that the WiiU wasn't a good console for Third Parties, which lead more Third Parties to avoid it.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;48122721][url=http://i.imgur.com/UCxJ1ZF.png]The rumor is probably full of shit if the guy's flip-flopping like this.[/url][/QUOTE]
This is fake, the guy himself tweeted that picture as a "holy shit how desperate are people" moment. The man is very trustworthy, I'd argue, as he does a shit ton of research when he posts such things.
[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;48123625]This is fake, the guy himself tweeted that picture as a "holy shit how desperate are people" moment. The man is very trustworthy, I'd argue, as he does a shit ton of research when he posts such things.[/QUOTE]
Wow people were so desperate as to fake a tweet saying he was wrong?
That is super pathetic.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;48122721][url=http://i.imgur.com/UCxJ1ZF.png]The rumor is probably full of shit if the guy's flip-flopping like this.[/url][/QUOTE]
He is the head of Unseen64 if I recall correctly.
So whatever he says holds some weight.
I'm a few chapters into the first Bayonetta game. I'm enjoying it, but I keep fucking up on the quick-time events. It's annoying to have my final score be penalized because I died due to missing a QTE. Does Bayonetta 2 have QTEs?
[QUOTE=Swiket;48124073]I'm a few chapters into the first Bayonetta game. I'm enjoying it, but I keep fucking up on the quick-time events. It's annoying to have my final score be penalized because I died due to missing a QTE. Does Bayonetta 2 have QTEs?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but only the "mash x for damage" variety if I'm remembering correctly.
[QUOTE=Apollo;48124096]Yes, but only the "mash x for damage" variety if I'm remembering correctly.[/QUOTE]
That's good, I don't mind that stuff.
I'm not really planning on replaying Bayonetta 1 after I'm done with it, since the second one sounds like it's the better game. I'm just getting Bayonetta 1 out of the way, even though I am having fun.
[QUOTE=Skyward;48123737]Wow people were so desperate as to fake a tweet saying he was wrong?
That is super pathetic.[/QUOTE]
People just want Nintendo either to release a top of the line console that's even better than PS4/XB1, or to drop out of consoles entirely. Anything in between is somehow strange and foreign.
Speaking of Unseen64, this video on the abandoned Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is...very disturbing.
[video=youtube;2lMLRIwiB_c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMLRIwiB_c[/video]
The fact that Nintendo's internal investigation confirmed the allegations makes me wishful that they rooted out the problem from the company.
It is absolutely disgusting what Nintendo Software Technology suffered.
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