[QUOTE=EditOutJ;47425386]Its a GBA game. I've downloaded chunky DS ROMs that were only 50MB. Does Nintendo package an individual emulator with every VC title?[/QUOTE]
Oh, I read that as Kirby Super Star.
Woe is me, Europe's Club Nintendo has Super Mario 3D World's soundtrack available to get, I have 1400 stars, it is 2000 stars.
If there is any kind Australian out there, could you give me any codes you haven't used so I can grab a copy.
The VC titles are all much larger than they should be because they
• All include high-resolution images for everything
• Include high-quality manuals
• Are obfuscated and padded with junk data
• Include the emulator with every single copy, because it's usually tweaked to run certain games correctly.
We should be able to at least not download the manual. If they're only gonna give us 32GB of fucking space then they shouldn't be wasting a single bit of it.
The WiiU has more than serviceable support for external hard drives, and you can buy a 250GB+ portable hard drive (small and quiet, discretely draws power) for under $50.
Really you have no reason not to.
[QUOTE=Eonart;47426741]They gave you 32GB of storage so you could buy your own hard drives, which would be cheaper for them and cheaper for the customer since memory doesn't cost that much separated from the console. Reggie himself said this.[/QUOTE]
While yes that is true, putting 32gb of storage is a fucking disgrace. They could of at least put 100 or hell even 50. The PS3 launched with more memory than that and in 2012 they put 32gb? Now a PS3 is cheaper than the WiiU and has a 500gb hard drive. I dont not give Nintendo any excuse on hard drive space this time.
[QUOTE=mark6789;47427119]While yes that is true, putting 32gb of storage is a fucking disgrace. They could of at least put 100 or hell even 50. The PS3 launched with more memory than that and in 2012 they put 32gb? Now a PS3 is cheaper than the WiiU and has a 500gb hard drive. I dont not give Nintendo any excuse on hard drive space this time.[/QUOTE]
And then we aren't even talking about the discontinued regular version of the Wii U, which only had 8gb storage space. And barely any of that will even be used for downloaded games, because the majority of that space will be used for game and console updates.
To be fair, it's a 32GB SSD, vesus the mid-low RPM drives of its competition.
They seem to have chosen a smoother user experience (SSDs are capable of significantly faster R/W, by an order of magnitude) versus more raw storage space with longer wait times.
To give a non-Nintendo example of why SSD versus HDD matters when it comes to video games:
[quote][video=youtube;XO9p8jbouPY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO9p8jbouPY[/video][/quote]
This may have been why Nintendo chose the former for the WiiU.
[QUOTE=Eonart;47427204]A PS3 is cheaper than a Wii U today because it's at least 4 times older and it's successor has been released.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point. Things have gotten cheaper and cheaper, so why did Nintendo skimp out on selling us more memory and forcing us to eventually buy more?
[editline]30th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Everything;47427182]To be fair, it's a 32GB SSD, vesus the mid-low RPM drives of its competition.
They seem to have chosen a smoother user experience (SSDs are capable of significantly faster R/W, by an order of magnitude) versus more raw storage space with longer wait times.[/QUOTE]
Is it an SSD? I never heard of this.
[QUOTE=mark6789;47427286]Is it an SSD? I never heard of this.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U"]To quote Wikipedia[/URL]: " Storage: Internal [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory"]flash memory[/URL]: 8 GB (Basic Set) / 32 GB (Deluxe Set) "
Meanwhile, the PS3: " Storage: 2.5-inch SATA [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk"]hard drive[/URL] (20 GB, 40 GB, 60 GB, 80 GB, 120 GB, 160 GB, 250 GB, 320 GB or 500 GB included) (upgradeable) "
[QUOTE=Everything;47427429][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U]To quote Wikipedia[/url]: " Storage: Internal [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory"]flash memory[/URL]: 8 GB (Basic Set) / 32 GB (Deluxe Set) "[/QUOTE]
Not exactly an SSD but that makes more sense now on there choice of low storage.
Any unit of flash memory which is used in place of a traditional hard drive can be considered an SSD.
"[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive"]Solid-State Drive/Disk[/URL]" itself denotes the lack of any moving parts. That's the only criteria it needs to meet.
why would you even need anything MORE than 32 gb's for save files and small games? Unless you're buying a HUGE number of games, you'll never fill it with saves, and you can still get a stick for games (which honestly I wouldn't store games in the wiiu anyways)
I have a 128gb flash drive that cost me only 40$ in it
The problem is that it isn't enough for more than one or two full retail games.
Though again, you can very easily find an external hard drive eight to fifteen times that size for the price of a WiiU game, so there's really very little reason to complain, as far as I see.
To be honest though I can't wait until consoles can lose the disk model
the only time I've used my CD Tray on my computer, ever, is to install windows and maybe some drivers for devices.
The wii u's disk drive takes up so much damn space
[t]https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/K23ibnjRbkeVBBoW.medium[/t][t]http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SgS23xSKOVYkLMLd-580x435.jpeg[/t]
I mean look at this fucking thing. Imagine how much more powerful they could have made the console if the space was used for memory and computer power
[QUOTE=Everything;47427488]The problem is that it isn't enough for more than one or two full retail games.
Though again, you can very easily find an external hard drive eight times that size for the price of a WiiU game, so there's really very little reason to complain, as far as I see.[/QUOTE]
no doubt, 32 is pretty pitifully small but, it's 100$ less than other consoles, so that's good that they didn't go all out I suppose
With how Nintendo handles heir account system you don't really want to go digital.
[QUOTE=Eonart;47426741]They gave you 32GB of storage so you could buy your own hard drives, which would be cheaper for them and cheaper for the customer since memory doesn't cost that much separated from the console. Reggie himself said this.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Everything;47427014]The WiiU has more than serviceable support for external hard drives, and you can buy a 250GB+ portable hard drive (small and quiet, discretely draws power) for under $50.
Really you have no reason not to.[/QUOTE]
While that's absolutely true (and I own an external HDD for that matter), they still shouldn't be wasting space on the limited storage the Wii U has. At least not without making it optional. I imagine that [I]most[/I] Wii U users wouldn't buy an external HDD unless they absolutely had to, and it'd be pretty shitty to have to do that because the VC games have ridiculously bloated sizes.
Seriously, Donkey Kong for NES on VC is 30+ megabytes. Judging from the size of PC and Wii homebrew emulators, I'd guess the emulator itself takes around 5MB or less. The NES ROM is less than a megabyte. Where does it all go?
[editline]30th March 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;47427492]I mean look at this fucking thing. Imagine how much more powerful they could have made the console if the space was used for memory and computer power[/QUOTE]
This is always the most silly argument. I remember seeing people photoshop out the second screen on the 3DS in /v/ and saying "imagine how much more powerful it could be!!" back when it was first launching.
More powerful hardware would most likely not take up any more space than the current hardware, provided the cooling system wouldn't need to be beefed up significantly. For that matter, I'm pretty sure there are a few BayTrail processors that can outperform the Wii U processor, and those are used fanless in tablets and netbooks.
Regardless, it's entirely possible we could see a new model of Wii U towards the end of its life with no disc drive [I]if[/I] digitally downloaded games severely overtake physical games. But with how Nintendo handles digital games currently, I wouldn't buy it.
oh no doubt, wiiu without a disk drive would be shit, I'm (more than anything) just talking about how smaller devices are going to be once we drop disks and instead just put bigger ssd/hd's in the system
the wii u is a good example, just imagine how small they could have made it, or how much stronger
[editline]31st March 2015[/editline]
nintendo is the last I'd want doing digital distribution for sure.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47427779]oh no doubt, wiiu without a disk drive would be shit, I'm (more than anything) just talking about how smaller devices are going to be once we drop disks
the wii u is a good example, just imagine how small they could have made it, or how much stronger
[editline]31st March 2015[/editline]
nintendo is the last I'd want doing digital distribution for sure.[/QUOTE]
"or how much stronger" my point is if they wanted a more powerful console the current size of the Wii U would likely not have been a constraint :v:
They could theoretically use a slim drive and slap it on top of everything else instead of in front (which should make it only slightly bigger than a possible no-drive model), but slim drives are probably more expensive hence why they may have used a full sized one in the first place.
I personally wouldn't mind paying an extra $20 for a mini version but I don't think it's sensible for Nintendo to take a gamble on investing the money to make a more expensive mini version at this time.
[editline]30th March 2015[/editline]
We should get a version of the Wii U built into the gamepad
Has Ben Heck done this yet? :v:
[editline]30th March 2015[/editline]
This is pretty cool too I guess
[t]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/dunginhawk/Wii%20U/IMG_1070_zpsf919efdf.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=J!NX;47427492]To be honest though I can't wait until consoles can lose the disk model
[/QUOTE]
I've already missed out on enough console exclusive download-only titles thanks to many companies even disabling unredeemed codes purchased elsewhere after they are pulled. The last thing I want to see is that become a frequent occurrence as I like to fill my library with titles that have since become unobtainable in a physical form from a standard retail store and could not do that if they were digital-only.
to be honest though I'm very happy that I bought a wiiu and it's as small as it is, I would go fucking crazy if it wasn't as small as it was
it's currently a stand for one of my monitors, so the only space it takes up is the gamepad
a mini version of the wii u's game pad, I would buy that shit in a heart beat
[editline]31st March 2015[/editline]
wii u built into the gamepad though, oh my god I would die, that would be perfect
[QUOTE=Everything;47427451]Any unit of flash memory which is used in place of a traditional hard drive can be considered an SSD.
"[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive"]Solid-State Drive/Disk[/URL]" itself denotes the lack of any moving parts. That's the only criteria it needs to meet.[/QUOTE]
You're acting like the WiiU gets the speed improvements that most SSDs will see.
It doesn't, the flash memory's read speed is slightly worse than the included USB ports, actually.
I'd argue that's probably the result of a bottleneck at the system bus than the unit of memory itself. Even the oldest USB2 thumb drive will still have faster R/W than a mid-RPM HDD.
Basically if it were a standard hard drive it would be even worse, if your assertion it's that slow really is true.
[QUOTE=Everything;47428013]I'd argue that's probably the result of a bottleneck at the system bus than the unit of memory itself. Even the oldest USB2 thumb drive will still have faster R/W than a mid-RPM HDD.
Basically if it were a standard hard drive it would be even worse, if your assertion it's that slow really is true.[/QUOTE]
From what I understand, it's basically an SD card soldered directly onto the board.
It's not super slow, just not as fast as everybody makes it out to be. Not nearly that fast.
Also, it's super important to note that it's (sometimes) noticeably slower than the DVD reader (for wii games), as many wii VC games have [i]longer[/i] loading periods off the internal memory. Most notably, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oK8wvBucj4]Super Mario Galaxy 2[/url].
I am really curious though, what the hell IS Nintendo planning with the wiiu? anyways?
[t]http://www.maxigadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wii-mini-vs-wii-vs-wii-u-comparaison.jpg[/t]
hopefully we see something cool
[QUOTE=AndrewPH;47428015]From what I understand, it's basically an SD card soldered directly onto the board.
It's not super slow, just not as fast as everybody makes it out to be. Not nearly that fast.[/QUOTE]
In my experience though, SM3DW definitely loads faster (by a few seconds at least) after I moved it from my 500GB external to the internal.
Both are better than the disk copy a friend owns.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47428017]I am really curious though, what the hell IS Nintendo planning with the wiiu? anyways?
[t]http://www.maxigadget.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wii-mini-vs-wii-vs-wii-u-comparaison.jpg[/t]
hopefully we see something cool[/QUOTE]
I keep forgetting the Wii Mini is a thing.
[QUOTE=ElderLolz;47428316]Because it's unnecessary that it exists.[/QUOTE]
The Wii mini was good for casuals who wanted to save a bit of money and didn't care about GCN games and didn't want to buy motion plus remotes separately.
If I for some reason needed a Wii, I'd probably get the mini since Nintendont would enable me to play most (or all) of the GCN games I care about anyways. And with the Classic Controller no less :v:
[QUOTE=Makol;47428030]I keep forgetting the Wii Mini is a thing.[/QUOTE]
this is the first time i've heard about it
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