No matter how crap a Sonic game is, there is always that someone who appreciates it.
[sp]I like Sonic R's soundtrack[/sp]
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52210116]I like Sonic R.
I still think people make the game seem worse then it really is.[/QUOTE]
I lost many friends while playing [sp]Forcing them[/sp] to play Sonic R
I wouldn't say liking Sonic is embarrassing, but there's definitely been vocal minority with a strong bias against his games and his fans. It's not really any different than how people who like Minecraft, Call of Duty, Undertale, FNAF, or any other game that "only kids play" will get made fun of, though.
Its the fanbase and almost everything related to it pushing its socially ackward agenda what drives people away.
Wich can be said about any popular fanbase out there basically that encourages you to be a maximum weirdo.
It is a cool "universe" to dive in and there is plenty of media to get involved until you start to actively search for diaper wearing, shit eating edgelord recolors with inflated kneecaps.
[video]https://youtu.be/8fGFjoeyc6I[/video]
[video=youtube;RDFaRMmWbKo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFaRMmWbKo[/video]
I just wish we got a release date.
[QUOTE=Metaru;52218835]Its the fanbase and almost everything related to it pushing its socially ackward agenda what drives people away.
Wich can be said about any popular fanbase out there basically that encourages you to be a maximum weirdo.
It is a cool "universe" to dive in and there is plenty of media to get involved until you start to actively search for diaper wearing, shit eating edgelord recolors with inflated kneecaps.[/QUOTE]
Those people still aren't the majority that represent the fanbase.
[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;52219428]Those people still aren't the majority that represent the fanbase.[/QUOTE]
But are the most vocal/visible ones.
Validation is one hell of a drug.
[QUOTE=ChickenMan99;52219220]
I just wish we got a release date.[/QUOTE]
The more I watch Sonic Mania videos the more I can't understand why people like Mania and yet pour shit on Forces for having Green Hill when most of the Mania consists of slightly updated old zones.
i would not say they are [I]sligthy[/I] updated. some of these areas have been reworked for the most part.
If I had to guess, it might be since people understand that Mania is a celebration of Classic Sonic's history (like Generations was), while they were told that Sonic Forces wouldn't be a sequel to Generations.
So the expectations of what will be in Sonic Forces for Classic Sonic were different from what we've actually seen so far, and Green Hill Zone in Forces looks like a huge downgrade from how it was in Generations. Meanwhile in Mania it looks just like it used to, which will help appeal to nostalgia, but with even more paths and areas to explore to help keep it fresh.
But yeah, I agree it's an odd double standard, since a lot of people are generally tired of Green Hill Zone being remade, but are willing to give Mania a pass since it's a 2D title.
It's mostly the fact that Mania is already all the Classic Sonic people really need right now, and it looks really polished to boot. Classic Sonic being shoehorned into Forces for more nostalgia pandering as the devs copy the factors of Generations is the general, base reasoning for Sonic fans being angry about it considering they see it as both excessive and unnecessary. Not to mention that Forces' Classic Sonic doesn't really seem to be improving on anything at all, which just looks like shite in comparison to Mania.
Sonic Team doesn't have the confidence to make an entire game with modern sonic gameplay so they have to add in other "gimmicks" to fill it with content
[QUOTE=redBadger;52220741]Sonic Team doesn't have the confidence to make an entire game with modern sonic gameplay so they have to add in other "gimmicks" to fill it with content[/QUOTE]
You can thank the critics who've instead eschewed integrity for favoritism and inflexibility (i.e: IGN, Gamespot, etc) for that.
[QUOTE=Megalan;52220271]Mania consists of slightly updated old zones.[/QUOTE]
Not slightly at all, heavily redesigned with a few familiar places.
It has brand new zones as well.
To be honest, I really like the idea of a character that goes out of their way to give disaster relief to Dr. Eggman's victims [e.g. the little animal friends. ]
[sp]Amy's been the closest thing, but good lord, don't make me go there.[/sp]
just dont let the game's plot get too dark. colored rats and obscure plots doesnt mix too well when its about sonic.
[QUOTE=Metaru;52227049]just dont let the game's plot get too dark. colored rats and obscure plots doesnt mix too well when its about sonic.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't care less for the tone of the plot, just give us a GOOD story.
[QUOTE=Metaru;52227049]just dont let the game's plot get too dark. colored rats and obscure plots doesnt mix too well when its about sonic.[/QUOTE]
At the same time I'm also hoping that it moves up from the tryhard humor Pontaff have offered in the past few years.
even [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters"]ghostbusters [/URL]knew the importance of establishing a legitimate threat and letting them do their job
[QUOTE=artDecor;52227426]even [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters"]ghostbusters [/URL]knew the importance of establishing a legitimate threat and letting them do their job[/QUOTE]
It's one reason why Unleashed is so polarizing for me. Eggman manages to split the planet and even build Eggmanland, his life's goal throughout the series short of ruling the world. And yet every time Sonic encounters him throughout the game past the intro, they turn Eggman into a complete butt monkey, even in his final boss fight meant to be played up as an epic showdown.
One thing is to have eggman be overconfident of his abilities and power and ither is to him be an absolutely goofball who happens to get in charge.
At least in sa2 he doesn't get beat up for the sake of he not being the real treat.
[QUOTE=Metaru;52227459]One thing is to have eggman be overconfident of his abilities and power and ither is to him be an absolutely goofball who happens to get in charge.
At least in sa2 he doesn't get beat up for the sake of he not being the real treat.[/QUOTE]
He still has a relentless and threatening side to him, though (i.e: eviscerate / vaporize / whatever to Sonic and his friends, shoving animals into robots and using them as power sources against their will, using superweapons as a means for compliance against resistance, attempted to blow up an entire city with a missile as a last resort, atleast blowing up one quarter of the moon for show of what said superweapons can accomplish, that entire hostage situation with Amy, etc).
Behind that cheeky exuberance of a man is a cold-hearted want-to-be dictator and while he isn't some mass murderer or total psychopath, he's perfectly willing to be destructive and sadistic for his own gains and those characteristics alone are what establish him as a villain for the series.
[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;52227670]He still has a relentless and threatening side to him, though (i.e: eviscerate / vaporize / whatever to Sonic and his friends, shoving animals into robots and using them as power sources against their will, using superweapons as a means for compliance against resistance, attempted to blow up an entire city with a missile as a last resort, atleast blowing up one quarter of the moon for show of what said superweapons can accomplish, that entire hostage situation with Amy, etc).
Behind that cheeky exuberance of a man is a cold-hearted want-to-be dictator and while he isn't some mass murderer or total psychopath, he's perfectly willing to be destructive and sadistic for his own gains and those characteristics alone are what establish him as a villain for the series.[/QUOTE]
The fact that SA2 took itself SUPER seriously story-wise surely contributed to Eggman's ability to be especially cruel. Later games that were more goofy like Sonic Gen don't really pull that off as well.
I might be in the minority but I actually love SA2's super dark tone.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52227799]The fact that SA2 took itself SUPER seriously story-wise surely contributed to Eggman's ability to be especially cruel. Later games that were more goofy like Sonic Gen don't really pull that off as well.
I might be in the minority but I actually love SA2's super dark tone.[/QUOTE]
SA2 was basically tiptoeing the line but as StHH could attest to it wasn't as dark as it could've been, which is surprising to say the least. I also consider "serious" and "dark" to be two different elements in a story even though the two usually cross paths.
I think ArtDecor's analogy to the original Ghostbusters makes sense for that argument: what starts out as a laid-back romp between several big-name actors undergoing a rather silly premise (i.e: making a business capturing ghosts, and their first target just so happens to be basically John Belushi) turns into bit of a Lovecraftian horror story which peaks with the character's lives and the whole world at stake yet it was still a comedy through and through.
[QUOTE=Keychain;52227799]The fact that SA2 took itself SUPER seriously story-wise surely contributed to Eggman's ability to be especially cruel. Later games that were more goofy like Sonic Gen don't really pull that off as well.
I might be in the minority but I actually love SA2's super dark tone.[/QUOTE]
There's also the competent and serious moments Eggman had in SA1.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCZfTAEDOhA[/media]
The way I see it, Adventure 2's plot falls apart if you analyze it too in-depth, but it's not bad stuff up until the Last Story drops the Gerald bomb on you with all-but-stated death by firing squad, and an attempt to kill all of humanity compared to Eggman's asshole bluff, not to mention the truth behind GUN killing everyone else on the ARK. Then it gets a bit much, to the point of capping it all off with a legitimate character death that just gets voided the next game anyway.
The magic in sa2's eggman, sans being an actual competent character on its own(at least on its side of the story) is that he gets shit done.
By the time the last story hits he does the whole "put differences aside" and you do even get to see a dude whose plans only fail because there's a blue anthro with thick plot armor agaisnt him.
His voice actor helps. SA1-2 Eggman has a nice balance between hammy Eggman and serious Eggman, while his current voice actor is all ham all the time.
[t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_5rVIVVYAAp9ww.jpg[/t]
Sonic Twitter posted this with the message "Tomorrow"
[QUOTE=Itauske Roken;52233588][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_5rVIVVYAAp9ww.jpg[/t]
Sonic Twitter posted this with the message "Tomorrow"[/QUOTE]
Well that's obviously the grass that's not dissimilar from the Classic Sonic GHZ in Forces. Wonder if it's either Eggman's device that causes Classic to get sent forwards in time, or it's some sort of death machine boss thing.
This guy who runs the twitter this freaking guy.
[video]https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/864269111580213248[/video]
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
Sonic General Discussion Thread v1
