Star Citizen Megathread - Star Marine isn't doomed after all! - Games

[QUOTE=dai;50424235]The coupon would work if used to buy the full LTI ship but can't be applied to an upgrade, which my friend wanted to do. Oh well[/QUOTE] you mean like this? [img]http://puu.sh/pb2In.jpg[/img] worked fine for me

[QUOTE=Hezzy;50426246]Looks like CIG won't be at E3 this year. I'm not sure why. [url]http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/30/11720714/what-to-expect-from-the-pc-gaming-show[/url] Doesn't exactly bode well for a 2016 release of SQ42! It's eerie how quiet news has gotten about it. It reminds me of when they said that Star Marine was going to be released in 3 weeks before it dropped off the face of the earth.[/QUOTE] fuck off [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Don't be rude" - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Hezzy;50426246]Looks like CIG won't be at E3 this year. I'm not sure why. [url]http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/30/11720714/what-to-expect-from-the-pc-gaming-show[/url] Doesn't exactly bode well for a 2016 release of SQ42! It's eerie how quiet news has gotten about it. It reminds me of when they said that Star Marine was going to be released in 3 weeks before it dropped off the face of the earth.[/QUOTE] I guess time will tell, huh? See, thing you haven't figured out, Hezzy, is that most of us don't necessarily put faith in Star Citizen being finished as pitched. We certainly hope it will, but we're not necessarily believers. We're just pleased enough with the hard work the devs are putting in to stick with them and see what happens. The stuff they deliver is quality, after all. By the way, how [I]is[/I] the circlejerk going in Derek's little fan club over at SA? Same as ever?

And here I was hoping that everyone would ignore Hezzy's bait like it deserves. On that topic, since we're gonna talk about it, can Hezzy (or [I]anyone[/I]) find a verifiable statement from CIG (such as a LINK to a post to RSI.com, not a screenshot of one) that they even were going to be at E3 this year? All I see is PC Gamer saying they'll be there a while back, and now Polygon saying that they aren't. I have yet to see evidence that they even planned it. And I went looking, especially because I thought I heard it mentioned on RtV that CIG would not have a presence at E3 but that individual devs may be there, but the only record that I found of anything like that was from 2015 and referred to CIG's 2015 E3 non-plans. I could find [I]no[/I] record of affirmative or even speculative statements by CIG that they would be attending E3 2016 in an official capacity. However, let's just take Derek's talking point (I know where you got that, Hezzy) at face value for a second, and let's just assume that the following points are true: - CIG intended to show a demo, trailer, or other form of presentation at E3 - CIG has since canceled that commitment Explain to me how spending [B]less[/B] time working on event demos and more time working on the game itself is a sign that Squadron 42 is [B]less likely[/B] than before to come out? Wouldn't dedicating all hands to making SQ42 and the PU, you know, THE ACTUAL FUCKING GAME, be more efficient if they didn't get sidetracked for two to six weeks working on an event presentation? That's exactly what did happen to CIG for the Gamescom 2015 demo. CIG spent about a month [I]just[/I] crunching on the Gamescom demo branch. I would expect that a decent amount of the new code in that build was migrated back into the main branch in roughly similar form and contributed to the advancement of the main build, but there will have likely also been a lot of work that was specific to that build and did not translate into usable commits in the main branch. Are we really shaming CIG for being more efficient with their time and not doing this for E3 this year? CIG's plans for Gamescom this year are not to make a special build, but instead to simply work on the main branch as usual, and then take whatever's ready about a week or so before Gamescom and put it on the floor demo machines in preparation for setting everything up at the venue. They will not have a keynote/presentation at Gamescom, only a floor booth with demo machines. Also, here's an excerpt from [URL="https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15224-Monthly-Studio-Report"]February's monthly report[/URL]: [QUOTE]Live Events No live events for the month of February, but we continue to make plans for our Gamescom and CitizenCon presence later this year. For Gamescom (Aug. 17-21) we’ll be on the show floor in our very own booth all five days, and are looking to host a number of pop-up parties in the evenings throughout the week, so stay tuned for more info on that as we get closer to the event. CitizenCon will be October 9th in Los Angeles at the Avalon Hollywood. The specific start time is still being determined, but we’ll have tickets up on the site for that in the coming weeks once all relevant details have been locked down.[/QUOTE] Don't you think a mention of going to E3 would be appropriate here? Or in any subsequent monthly report? This is particularly relevant because several weeks ago Derek cited "inside sources" that there would be a SQ42 trailer shown at E3 and that it sucks. Now he's saying that SQ42 is so in trouble that they canceled the trailer for fear of being exposed. If there were never any plans to go to E3 to begin with, that entire narrative is based on bullshit and Hezzy seems to have swallowed it whole.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50427309] By the way, how [I]is[/I] the circlejerk going in Derek's little fan club over at SA? Same as ever?[/QUOTE] Ever see a group of people all bury their heads in the sand at the beach? It's kinda like that.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;50427666]Ever see a group of people all bury their heads in the sand at the beach? It's kinda like that.[/QUOTE] If you take the number of posts to the current SC thread and divide it by the number of days since the thread was created, it averages out to [I]one post less than every three minutes since creation[/I]. But, no, it's backers who are the obsessive cultists.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50427744]If you take the number of posts to the current SC thread and divide it by the number of days since the thread was created, it averages out to [I]one post less than every three minutes since creation[/I]. But, no, it's backers who are the obsessive cultists.[/QUOTE] Nevermind the extent in which SA members have gone to infiltrate various forums and pose as both relentless critics [I]and[/I] Cultists.

tbh I love that hezzy relays the latest anti-buzz so casually. It's direct off the vine with no anti-anti-buzz twist/razzing attached, kind of a peek into the sa thread's current trends. I don't hear of the drama during or after it allegedly happens so it's good to know what doesn't matter at the moment in the meantime, their presence at e3 last year was a 2 minute condensed update on their mocap sessions, info they'd been pouring out nonstop in their normal updates prior and past that point. Their actual presentation was held off until Gamescom

too bad they won't be doing bigger events at gamescom now, that was the only event that I could actually attend.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50427309]I guess time will tell, huh? See, thing you haven't figured out, Hezzy, is that most of us don't necessarily put faith in Star Citizen being finished as pitched. We certainly hope it will, but we're not necessarily believers. We're just pleased enough with the hard work the devs are putting in to stick with them and see what happens. The stuff they deliver is quality, after all. By the way, how [I]is[/I] the circlejerk going in Derek's little fan club over at SA? Same as ever?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't know how the circlejerk is going over at SA because the thread has moved on about 7000 pages since I last read it and I can't be bothered. [URL="http://i.imgur.com/9GHbPOQ.png"]I don't even have it bookmarked anymore[/URL] As a person who wants Star Citizen to succeed, it does look bad that they've pulled out of E3 without giving any reason why. This is the second time in a row they've not attended E3 and I would've thought they'd want to market SQ42 seeing as it's slated for release later this year. [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50427489]And here I was hoping that everyone would ignore Hezzy's bait like it deserves. On that topic, since we're gonna talk about it, can Hezzy (or [I]anyone[/I]) find a verifiable statement from CIG (such as a LINK to a post to RSI.com, not a screenshot of one) that they even were going to be at E3 this year? All I see is PC Gamer saying they'll be there a while back, and now Polygon saying that they aren't. I have yet to see evidence that they even planned it. And I went looking, especially because I thought I heard it mentioned on RtV that CIG would not have a presence at E3 but that individual devs may be there, but the only record that I found of anything like that was from 2015 and referred to CIG's 2015 E3 non-plans. I could find [I]no[/I] record of affirmative or even speculative statements by CIG that they would be attending E3 2016 in an official capacity. However, let's just take Derek's talking point (I know where you got that, Hezzy) at face value for a second, and let's just assume that the following points are true: - CIG intended to show a demo, trailer, or other form of presentation at E3 - CIG has since canceled that commitment Explain to me how spending [B]less[/B] time working on event demos and more time working on the game itself is a sign that Squadron 42 is [B]less likely[/B] than before to come out? Wouldn't dedicating all hands to making SQ42 and the PU, you know, THE ACTUAL FUCKING GAME, be more efficient if they didn't get sidetracked for two to six weeks working on an event presentation? That's exactly what did happen to CIG for the Gamescom 2015 demo. CIG spent about a month [I]just[/I] crunching on the Gamescom demo branch. I would expect that a decent amount of the new code in that build was migrated back into the main branch in roughly similar form and contributed to the advancement of the main build, but there will have likely also been a lot of work that was specific to that build and did not translate into usable commits in the main branch. Are we really shaming CIG for being more efficient with their time and not doing this for E3 this year? CIG's plans for Gamescom this year are not to make a special build, but instead to simply work on the main branch as usual, and then take whatever's ready about a week or so before Gamescom and put it on the floor demo machines in preparation for setting everything up at the venue. They will not have a keynote/presentation at Gamescom, only a floor booth with demo machines. Also, here's an excerpt from [URL="https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15224-Monthly-Studio-Report"]February's monthly report[/URL]: Don't you think a mention of going to E3 would be appropriate here? Or in any subsequent monthly report? This is particularly relevant because several weeks ago Derek cited "inside sources" that there would be a SQ42 trailer shown at E3 and that it sucks. Now he's saying that SQ42 is so in trouble that they canceled the trailer for fear of being exposed. If there were never any plans to go to E3 to begin with, that entire narrative is based on bullshit and Hezzy seems to have swallowed it whole.[/QUOTE] It wasn't bait. It was a genuine concern. I find it disconcerting that you all lump me in to a group and label me in a bid to lessen the value of what I post. To address your first point, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpJmxleflw&t=1m40s"]Chris Roberts himself promised that they would be attending E3 2016.[/URL] I highly doubt that PC Gamer would just include them on the billing without some sort of confirmation from CIG. Maybe they did a benefits vs cost analysis and decided E3 wasn't for them, but there's been no official statement which allows wild speculation from all sorts of people. The gaming media focuses heavily on E3 and you would at least think it'd be good practice to put out some kind of holding statement as to why they're not going. [QUOTE=dai;50429664]tbh I love that hezzy relays the latest anti-buzz so casually. It's direct off the vine with no anti-anti-buzz twist/razzing attached, kind of a peek into the sa thread's current trends. I don't hear of the drama during or after it allegedly happens so it's good to know what doesn't matter at the moment in the meantime, their presence at e3 last year was a 2 minute condensed update on their mocap sessions, info they'd been pouring out nonstop in their normal updates prior and past that point. Their actual presentation was held off until Gamescom[/QUOTE] I got the article from Google Now on my phone because I'm interested in Star Citizen.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;50431489]It wasn't bait. It was a genuine concern. I find it disconcerting that you all lump me in to a group and label me in a bid to lessen the value of what I post.[/QUOTE] That's adorable. Go PAARP somewhere else. [QUOTE=Hezzy;50431489]To address your first point, [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpJmxleflw&t=1m40s"]Chris Roberts himself promised that they would be attending E3 2016.[/URL] I highly doubt that PC Gamer would just include them on the billing without some sort of confirmation from CIG. Maybe they did a benefits vs cost analysis and decided E3 wasn't for them, but there's been no official statement which allows wild speculation from all sorts of people. The gaming media focuses heavily on E3 and you would at least think it'd be good practice to put out some kind of holding statement as to why they're not going.[/QUOTE] Okay, so in June 2015 Chris Roberts said he intended on taking the project to E3 this year. There has been no mention since. In June 2015 Chris Roberts also expected to have SQ42 out by now, and things changed. Don't you think they'd say something in one of the monthly reports when talking about attending events? [del]I'd like to hear why PC Gamer said they were going in the first place, because that's the deciding factor short of an official statement by CIG.[/del] PC Gamer is referencing the June 2015 video, that seems to be the extent of it. I would take the complete lack of mentioning E3 in monthly reports/anywhere else in the last 8 months over PC Gamer any day though. [QUOTE=Hezzy;50431489]I got the article from Google Now on my phone because I'm interested in Star Citizen.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hezzy;50426246]Looks like CIG won't be at E3 this year. I'm not sure why. [url]http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/30/11720714/what-to-expect-from-the-pc-gaming-show[/url] [B]Doesn't exactly bode well for a 2016 release of SQ42![/B][/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/737283140645965824[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/737332927944626179[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/737340056080375809[/media] How stupid do you think we are? Okay, Hezzy, I'm going to take you at face value this once, and counsel you that if you actually are concerned about SC, the SA thread/Derek is even less reliable than the deepest fanboy pits of the RSI forums. There are far more reliable sources of criticism. Every time you've come in here you've repeated Derek/goon talking points practically verbatim.

idk as someone who only pops in here now and again and knows nothing about whoever derek smart is (assuming he's some upset ex employee or something), i think the aggressiveness to doubts/criticism here is p.bad? idk if im missing something here but imo its perfectly fine to be skeptical about something like this

[QUOTE=Marzipas;50431900]idk as someone who only pops in here now and again and knows nothing about whoever derek smart is (assuming he's some upset ex employee or something), i think the aggressiveness to doubts/criticism here is p.bad? idk if im missing something here but imo its perfectly fine to be skeptical about something like this[/QUOTE] Derek Smart (just google him) is an indie space sim dev who makes games of highly questionable quality. He pledged for SC at the $250 level at the very end of the Kickstarter campaign, logged in to turn off the newsletter, and then never touched his account again including never logging into the game. He decided last June to wage a campaign of defamation and misinformation against Star Citizen (while heavily promoting his own game, Line of Defense) and hasn't stopped since, going as far as doxxing the head of marketing and the CEO as well as one of their children, getting The Escapist to post libelous accusations of federally-illegal discriminatory hiring practices with unverifiable sources, and attacking fan sites as well as the unrelated professional business one of the founders of one such fansite. He also constantly contradicts his own doomsaying narratives because he's full of it and keeps changing his story to adapt. [media]https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/726432592451538946[/media] Here's Derek admitting that even if everything was above board and Star Citizen released on time, in some parallel universe, he'd still troll the shit out of them. This isn't skepticism, this is overt bias. Skepticism about the project is fine in this thread, and there is definitely valid criticism to be had with Star Citizen. Derek and the SA thread on SC is not the place you will find it except if you're patient enough to find the accurate needle buried in the shitposting haystack. This entire controversy about CIG not going to E3 and what this means (Hezzy claiming this is a bad sign for Squadron 42 is illogical and straight from Derek/SA) is manufactured, because unless PC Gamer has unrevealed sources from this year, the only reference in their article is the June 2015 video from Chris, and tons has changed since then and there's no other evidence that they were even planning to go. Asking the question of what happened is fine. I'd like to know the real story as well, because if CIG did tell PC Gamer recently that they were going to E3 and then pulled out, I'd like to hear the reasoning. However, I refute that this is a foregone conclusion, and to claim that this means SQ42 is in trouble and may not/will not release in 2016 isn't skepticism, it's full-blown negative speculation.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50431582]That's adorable. Go PAARP somewhere else. Okay, so in June 2015 Chris Roberts said he intended on taking the project to E3 this year. There has been no mention since. In June 2015 Chris Roberts also expected to have SQ42 out by now, and things changed. Don't you think they'd say something in one of the monthly reports when talking about attending events? [del]I'd like to hear why PC Gamer said they were going in the first place, because that's the deciding factor short of an official statement by CIG.[/del] PC Gamer is referencing the June 2015 video, that seems to be the extent of it. I would take the complete lack of mentioning E3 in monthly reports/anywhere else in the last 8 months over PC Gamer any day though. [media]https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/737283140645965824[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/737332927944626179[/media] [media]https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/737340056080375809[/media] How stupid do you think we are? Okay, Hezzy, I'm going to take you at face value this once, and counsel you that if you actually are concerned about SC, the SA thread/Derek is even less reliable than the deepest fanboy pits of the RSI forums. There are far more reliable sources of criticism. Every time you've come in here you've repeated Derek/goon talking points practically verbatim.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ man the world doesn't revolve around Derek fucking Smart

it's not even hard to tell when something's straight from that circle's rumormill. The recurring joke about that doomsaying is that some revelation about the game is going to kill it when the big news comes out in two weeks conveniently enough, E3 starts up in 14 days I'd assume that's a good pre-event time to seed negative discussions, since it's when the hype for upcoming events really starts rolling and people are most likely to get super worried if there's some bad discussion when they start digging around for what to expect god I can just smell the ad revenue from here

[QUOTE=Hezzy;50432368]Jesus christ man the world doesn't revolve around Derek fucking Smart[/QUOTE] Come up with something that wasn't first said by him, then. Everything you've posted in this thread critical of SC has been. I'll stop accusing you of parroting Derek when you stop parroting Derek. It's not that you're skeptical or critical of SC, it's that you're working straight off the publicly-tweeted playbook of its #1 antifan. Not to mention you've had direct contact with him on Twitter. Care to elaborate on how CIG not going to E3 so they can focus on SQ42 (which is what the Polygon article states) means it's bad news for SQ42? Or are you just going to stay hung up on me calling out your narrative-shaping? Please, I'm interested in hearing your rationale for why the project is supposedly in trouble just because they don't let themselves get sidetracked by an E3 show they apparently don't have time to divert people to. -removed- Or let's just link to [URL="https://archive.is/8N68c"]goons who've wrote guest columns for Derek's [del]blog[/del]forum[/URL] and reference him in the link repeatedly, sure. Be less transparent with your trolling, please, it's insulting to our intelligence. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Leaking GMF content pertaining to Scam Citizen" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

maybe derek smart is a CIG employee who is paid to make SC skeptics look bad [img]http://i.imgur.com/VLBWUKv.gif[/img]

PTU 2.4.0M is out. Patch notes from the PTU site: [QUOTE]Important Callouts: Please note that Battle Royale seems to be experiencing a frequent crash during initializing. Star Systems: Fixed an issue in ArcCorp where players could jump over the railing, resulting in player death. Changed the texture on the pistol display shelf in Garrity Defense and Cubby Blast. Game Systems: Fixed an issue where a players wanted level was not correctly capping at 2 when enabling and disabling Comm Arrays. Fixed an issue with the ICC Probe Mission 4 not failing due to irregular pirate spawning. Increased the reward for the Outlaw mission ‘Keep the Comm Arrays Offline’ from 100 aUEC per kill to 250 aUEC. Ships: Fixed an issue where the nose mount of the Avenger Series ship was not available after being removed. For now, the nose mount hardpoint has been disabled in the Port Modification App. Made additional improvements to the Pyroblast Scattergun performance and visual effects. Fixed a clipping issue when certain missile racks were equipped to the Freelancer. User Interface: Fixed an issue where the chat window was on by default in the Tutorial missions. Technical: Fixed several server crashes. Fixed several client crashes.[/QUOTE] [media]https://imgur.com/a/YsOxL[/media] The weekly Vault update is a dump of Bucc concept WIPs. [video=youtube;Zz1UE8ugdeU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz1UE8ugdeU[/video] [video=youtube;uz-JidmWOdA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz-JidmWOdA[/video] The rest of the week's schedule is typical: - Wednesday: Bugsmashers, Jump Point article rerun, and Q&A 1 of 2 for the Buccaneer - Thursday: AtV as usual - Friday: RtV, Bucc Q&A #2, May monthly report

This just in, asshurt space game lovers get upset about a posters valid criticism on the game. :dogchill:

did this fail yet

[URL="https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/spectrum-dispatch/15361-Untold-Tales"]This week's lorepost sets up another mystery for players to potentially solve in-game:[/URL] the unexplained disappearance of a popular singer who didn't want the popularity and exposure that came with her fame.

some more of the latest jpg from the artist [t]http://i.imgur.com/5WziABb.png[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/VcfEVfT.png[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/5Fx7opa.jpg[/t]

i can't get over how stupidly armed that thing is 4xS2, 2xS1, 12xS1M stock loadout compared to 2xS2 and 8x (unguided) S1M on the regular F7C I mean the Bucc's price is gonna go up later but power creep ahoy

'regular f7c' doesn't mean shit... actual hornet is 4xS2 2xS1, all gimballed. the 2xs1 on the bucc is near useless with a typical gimballed loadout, and the ship is probably made of cardboard

[QUOTE=krail9;50435114]'regular f7c' doesn't mean shit... actual hornet is 4xS2 2xS1, all gimballed.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that we don't know what the F7A's milspec loadout looks like yet either. And never trust the stats.

I don't really see how them not being at E3 is the a sign of the end, it was like nothing if you bothered to watch it at all last time. [QUOTE=Marzipas;50431900]idk as someone who only pops in here now and again and knows nothing about whoever derek smart is (assuming he's some upset ex employee or something), i think the aggressiveness to doubts/criticism here is p.bad? idk if im missing something here but imo its perfectly fine to be skeptical about something like this[/QUOTE] Derek is just the Internets greatest troll since the days of AOL 4.0. He had made a game as ambitious as Star Citizen at the time but it failed horribly because of his amateur skills and over ambition and continues to do so with Line of Defense or what ever it is. I think hes just jealous or has some mental illness, its funny to see him talk shit now and then but I honestly don't know why people have to pay any attention to him, like if they just ignored him he would go away.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50432427]Come up with something that wasn't first said by him, then. Everything you've posted in this thread critical of SC has been. I'll stop accusing you of parroting Derek when you stop parroting Derek. It's not that you're skeptical or critical of SC, it's that you're working straight off the publicly-tweeted playbook of its #1 antifan. Not to mention you've had direct contact with him on Twitter. Care to elaborate on how CIG not going to E3 so they can focus on SQ42 (which is what the Polygon article states) means it's bad news for SQ42? Or are you just going to stay hung up on me calling out your narrative-shaping? Please, I'm interested in hearing your rationale for why the project is supposedly in trouble just because they don't let themselves get sidetracked by an E3 show they apparently don't have time to divert people to. Or let's just link to [URL="https://archive.is/8N68c"]goons who've wrote guest columns for Derek's [del]blog[/del]forum[/URL] and reference him in the link repeatedly, sure. Be less transparent with your trolling, please, it's insulting to our intelligence.[/QUOTE] Let me understand this properly. You're saying because Derek Smart says something, that means that it's immediately completely invalid? I'm not sure what kind of wacky logic that you work off of, but in certain circumstances people can come to the same conclusions independently, despite what you tell yourself. Give your head a wobble. Coming to the conclusion I have done is pretty simple and straight forward. There are no massive leaps of logic or anything like that; it's common sense. Like I said in my previous post, people go to E3 to market their games. The fact they're not going to E3 to market their game, despite residing 20 minutes away, suggests that they're either not prepared to show their game or that the slated release date of 2016 will slide. Neither of which are indicative of a healthy project that is managed appropriately. The absence of any statement regarding E3, in my mind, is also an indicator of poor management and organisation. As for the "justagamemode" website you linked in my post from the Gold Member Forum, I found it when I was looking for the original CIG article that said Star Marine was 3 weeks ago. It's on the first page of Google results; [URL="https://www.google.co.uk/?ion=1&espv=2#q=starmarine"]https://www.google.co.uk/?ion=1&espv=2#q=starmarine "3 weeks"[/URL] It provides a factually accurate account into the lead up of Star Marine's release, or lack thereof. I'd recommend that people reading this post have a look at it, as it provides a very interesting view into the style of development used by RSI / CIG. I would also pay particular attention to the video named "Guide to Star Marine" and compare the content of that to what is currently available at the moment. [url]http://www.justagamemode.com/[/url]

you didn't [I]really[/I] go cry to crapt to get him to ban eli for leaking did you cuz i doubt he checks this thread on his own

[QUOTE=Marzipas;50431900]idk as someone who only pops in here now and again and knows nothing about whoever derek smart is (assuming he's some upset ex employee or something), i think the aggressiveness to doubts/criticism here is p.bad? idk if im missing something here but imo its perfectly fine to be skeptical about something like this[/QUOTE] Derek Smart has been a troll and shitty game developer for a long time. I remember seeing the massive controversy he stirred up on Usenet over the many ridiculous claims he made about his game Battlecruiser 3000AD back in the fucking 90's. When the game finally came out... it was a buggy and incomplete piece of shit that was barely playable. All of his games since have followed the same theme, being so completely disasterous that many publications just stopped reviewing his games and talking about him. Didn't help that he'd threaten to sue anyone who bashed his stuff, because in his opinion they were spreading lies and his shit was perfect. You have to understand, Derek Smart has been promising what Star Citizen is promising since ~1992 or so. He never even came close to delivering, but he truly thinks he did. He thinks his games (including his latest "masterpiece", Line of Defense) are amazing. Now imagine what happens when a nutcase like Smart sees someone else make a brand new game and achieve far more fame and monetary success than he ever did while basically promising the same stuff. Smart thinks his pieces of shit (Battlecruiser 3000AD, Universal Combat, Line of Defense) actually delivered, but now Roberts and Star Citizen are stealing what he rightfully deserves. Basically: Derek Smart is Peter Molyneux mixed with Cliff Bleszinski: promises the world and talks shit about everyone else, but manages to be wrong about everything. Do not trust a single word that comes from his mouth. [QUOTE=Whitefox08;50433804]This just in, asshurt space game lovers get upset about a posters valid criticism on the game. :dogchill:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RockyTV;50433830]did this fail yet[/QUOTE] Qualty posts here boys.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;50435253]Let me understand this properly. You're saying because Derek Smart says something, that means that it's immediately completely invalid? I'm not sure what kind of wacky logic that you work off of, but in certain circumstances people can come to the same conclusions independently, despite what you tell yourself. Give your head a wobble. Coming to the conclusion I have done is pretty simple and straight forward. There are no massive leaps of logic or anything like that; it's common sense. Like I said in my previous post, people go to E3 to market their games. The fact they're not going to E3 to market their game, despite residing 20 minutes away, suggests that they're either not prepared to show their game or that the slated release date of 2016 will slide. Neither of which are indicative of a healthy project that is managed appropriately. The absence of any statement regarding E3, in my mind, is also an indicator of poor management and organisation. As for the "justagamemode" website you linked in my post from the Gold Member Forum, I found it when I was looking for the original CIG article that said Star Marine was 3 weeks ago. It's on the first page of Google results; [URL="https://www.google.co.uk/?ion=1&espv=2#q=starmarine"]https://www.google.co.uk/?ion=1&espv=2#q=starmarine "3 weeks"[/URL] It provides a factually accurate account into the lead up of Star Marine's release, or lack thereof. I'd recommend that people reading this post have a look at it, as it provides a very interesting view into the style of development used by RSI / CIG. I would also pay particular attention to the video named "Guide to Star Marine" and compare the content of that to what is currently available at the moment. [url]http://www.justagamemode.com/[/url][/QUOTE] Derek Smart's done literally everything in his power to convince people that he's a hack that's just trying to rack up views and controversy over something he admittedly only cares about because it's fun to troll. From what I've seen of your posts you've done pretty much everything to associate yourself with his agenda up to and including speaking with him directly on twitter, immersing yourself in the SA circlejerks, and posting his rhetoric and arguments multiple times here. In what world do you consider yourself -not- a DS fanboy based on that? You'll have to excuse people if based upon the standing evidence if they don't buy that you aren't parroting him at this point near verbatim. As for the whole matter of SC not showing up at E3 I do happen to agree that something CIG desperately needs to work on is communication. Time and again they've poorly related their intentions and justifications for things for one reason or another, and it's something they really can't afford to not fix going forward if they want to secure the bulk of the more moderate followers of the game (Cynics will be cynics, and fanboys will be fanboys). If they'd release even a short statement confirming why they're not going to E3 this year I'd be content. Do I think this spells doom and gloom for the game though? Not really. I mean, it's pretty obvious they've ramped up the work on SQ42 a shitload given the fact they hired on a whole studio to design the Vanduul fleet (Which from the pictures I caught looked rather ridiculously complete at least from an exterior model viewpoint). Is there going to be issues for a 2016 release? Maybe. It's one of those things that's hard to say from a glass half empty perspective. They could've pulled out of major commitments to put more focus on hammering out SQ42 by their self-imposed deadline. Or they might be taking a collective sigh and pushing back the date however long to make sure it's done right and picking their battles. Either way it's not something that inherently worries me. Anyway, I'm not interested in getting into some huge bout of shitflinging or argumentation like more avid participants of the thread here. Just lending my perspective since I tend to talk less and listen more.