Dark Souls + Demon's Souls + Bloodborne Megathread XIII. The Ringed City - Games

[QUOTE=Reds;52310575]Getting upset at exclusives has always bugged me. There's a strong argument to be made that the game wouldn't have existed in the first place if Sony hadn't funded it. Obviously I can't confirm that From wouldn't have or couldn't have taken it to another publisher to get funded, since I'm not magic and know the development details, but it's not "holding it for ransom" if you paid for the damn thing specifically to sell hardware and Sony came to them first before the game even reached its conceptual stage. Either way you can shout what-ifs to the heavens but the game exists how it exists now, and it's not "greedy" to not port the game to the PC out of the generosity of their hearts when it directly conflicts with their reason for funding the game in the first place. Maybe I'm just used to playing devil's avocado after Bayonetta 2 and how people acted insulted that they had to buy a Wii U to play it when the game absolutely 100% would never have existed without Nintendo. Yeah it's not "fair" to you because you don't want to pay for something expensive just to play one game, but tough luck if that's the only way the game can exist. We don't live in an ideal world. On an entirely unrelated note I don't think I've ever seen anybody get upset over a game being PC exclusive. I can't possibly imagine why. Can't anybody think of those poor console players who don't get to play it because they don't want to pay for an expensive PC?[/QUOTE] There is a big difference between launching a game on consoles first and on PC later, vs [I]never[/I] launching it outside the platform. That is why Sony's hoarding of Bloodborne makes me so angry: Not because I couldn't play it at launch with everybody else, but moreso because - as it stands - I'll [I]never[/I] get to play it. Plenty of games have done console launches with their initial release and then come to PC later on, sometimes even over a year after the initial launch. This is annoying, sure. But it doesn't make me seethe with rage like a full exclusive does. Recently we saw this with the first Bayonetta: It launched on consoles initially, but recently came to PC. Sure, it was a long time in the works, but you know what? That's okay. Because now players like myself who can't realistically afford both a PC and a console can actually enjoy the game! And more importantly for the developers and publishers, bringing the title to PC later on brings with it a boost in revenue, sales, popularity and future customer base. If Sony had released Bloodborne on PS4, but then - perhaps a year or so later when initial sales died down - brought it to other consoles and PC, then that would have been fine! Not only would it have given the game an extra shot in the leg after the initial hype died down, it would have allowed the playerbase to flourish and grow even further. But by keeping it bolted down to the PS4 like some kind of prisoner, when the PS4's sales and popularity eventually fades (because unlike PCs, you generally can't "upgrade" a console much before it starts going obsolete) then the game will fade with it. We saw this exact same thing happen with Demon's Souls, another console exclusive. How many of you are still playing Demon's Souls? Outside of the odd "trip down memory lane", I'm betting none of you are actively booting up your PS3's to get in on some of that sweet DeS PvP action. And then there's people like me: I came to the series in 2015, playing through DS2's Scholar of the First Sin as my first Souls' game. As it stands, I'd love to play through Demon's Souls, see where it all began and how much it's changed. But unless I want to go out and look for a secondhand PS3 complete with a copy of the game, that isn't likely to happen. Hell, even if I managed that, I wouldn't get the full experience. I've heard tell that the Demon's Souls online community is all but nonexistent now. Meanwhile, I can play the first Dark-Souls and still get invasions, summon signs, player messages, ghosts, the full deal! [I]6 years[/I] after its initial release! Let's not forget that DS1 is only on PC because of a petition to get it there, and as a result, it's stayed alive and flourishing to this day. What would you rather see from Bloodborne? A flash in the pan that dies with its console? Or a long-lived Juggernaut that's still enjoyed by people years from now with an active community? Because if it stays stuck to the PS4, it'll go the way of Demon's Souls, fading into obscurity and eventual comatose state. It's already a tragedy that DeS has ended up like that. There's no sense in letting the same thing happen twice, especially not to such an amazing and unique game as Bloodborne. But hey, keep telling me that I'm just overreacting and that it "has to be this way". It bloody well [I]doesn't[/I] have to be this way. The only reason it's this way is because of Sony executives who couldn't give two shits about the game or its playerbase. They could have earned a fortune twice over if they'd released BB for PC/other consoles by now, but they staunchly refuse to, still trying to push an already ageing system for all its worth, before likely discarding it when it can't yield any more profit. If I go out and buy a PS4 just so I can play Bloodborne (Which as I already mentioned, is in no way realistic for me, financially) then I'd just be enforcing that toxic trend and encouraging Sony to do it to more games later on. And [B][I]fuck that.[/I][/B]

I'd rather have a game that is made and released than never. You can all get mad at Sony or call it whatever but it is shown to care about a game's quality. [QUOTE]If Sony had released Bloodborne on PS4, but then - perhaps a year or so later when initial sales died down - brought it to other consoles and PC, then that would have been fine! Not only would it have given the game an extra shot in the leg after the initial hype died down, it would have allowed the playerbase to flourish and grow even further. But by keeping it bolted down to the PS4 like some kind of prisoner, when the PS4's sales and popularity eventually fades (because unlike PCs, you generally can't "upgrade" a console much before it starts going obsolete) then the game itself will fade with it.[/QUOTE] Uh you know it's not as easy as you think, right? You can list other exclusive games and they'll never come to PC or whatever. Fuck, i wanted Nioh to come to PC but if it wasn't for Sony helping funding, the game might as well not exists or take even more years to come out. And fuck, i want Demon's Souls to come to PC or even a remaster but it's not like Sony or From can just do whatever. It's not as intuitive from a customer's perspective.

[QUOTE=Sweater;52310911]I'd rather have a game that is made and released than never. You can all get mad at Sony or call it whatever but it is shown to care about a game's quality. Uh you know it's not as easy as you think, right? You can list other exclusive games and they'll never come to PC or whatever. Fuck, i wanted Nioh to come to PC but if it wasn't for Sony helping funding, the game might as well not exists or take even more years to come out. And fuck, i want Demon's Souls to come to PC or even a remaster but it's not like Sony or From can just do whatever. It's not as intuitive from a customer's perspective.[/QUOTE] Except that, again, this doesn't give us an adequate [I]reason[/I] behind Sony's decision. Yes, they helped fund the games. Yes, they're probably the reason a lot of them exist at all. And yes, they're well within their rights to do whatever they see fit to push their products. But you know what? Sony doesn't manufacture or sell the PS3 anymore. Ergo, they no longer make any money or profits from the system. So they literally have nothing to lose and everything to gain if they release Demon's Souls on PC. Would it require some costs to port it? Of course. But considering the fact that the game was developed on a PC and that the Playstation system is, in of itself, simply a specialised computer itself, it isn't as though they'd need to re-do the entire game or something. Bloodborne, afaik, already [I]works[/I] on PC. It was probably tested in-house on PC during the development (that's standard practice if I remember right) and there was even a Steam listing for it at launch. They probably wouldn't need to do much to get it fully ported, and would make massive amounts of profit if they did so. As I said before, it's one thing to use a game as an incentive to sell a console. It's another thing to then leave it to rot with said console as it eventually loses its profitability. The PS4 is going strong, sure. But it won't last forever. And ignoring the whole "Pee Sea Master Baits" thing, a PC has one advantage over consoles: They don't go obsolete. I can go on Steam, right now, and buy games that are 10, even 20 years old! But if Bloodborne stays on the PS4, there [I]will[/I] come a day where buying it will be difficult, and won't earn Sony any money. And make no mistake, Sony has all the power in the world to change that. They just won't. They want to push the PS4 until it dies, and after that, they'll move on. That's how they do things. So Bloodborne will wither and die on its vine just like DeS did, while the Dark-Souls series will likely stay relevant and popular for years to come. I will never accept the idea that it "has" to be this way. It "is" this way because Sony says so, not because they have no choice in the matter.

... "Sony [I]hoarding[/I] Bloodborne" Like, I've kickstarted a videogame project with my own resources and people should consider me an asshole if I want to keep said game on the platform I sell, which is my main source of income, in order to maximize the profit it can give me and, at the same time, hurt my competition by not allowing a highly regarded and successful game to be sold on their own console. And I'm legally authorized to do so by the contract I signed with the developers of said game, who knew precisely my intentions about it, me being very upfront about the whole thing at the time. I am most sorry, but, in this particular case, your argument boils down to [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes.jpg/180px-The_Fox_and_the_Grapes.jpg[/IMG]

Well get on the line because we have ps1\ps2 games that "should" go to PC but are exclusive and iconic to Sony. Where's King's Field? where's [that exlusive game]? [QUOTE]And make no mistake,[B] Sony has all the power in the world to change that[/B]. They just won't. They want to push the PS4 until it dies, and after that, they'll move on. That's how they do things. So Bloodborne will wither and die on its vine just like DeS did, while the Dark-Souls series will likely stay relevant and popular for years to come. I will never accept the idea that it "has" to be this way. It "is" this way because Sony says so, not because they have no choice in the matter.[/QUOTE] No shit, i've come to accept this until one day they'll snap but it'll never come because this has been a thing since ages. I'll end up taking these complaints seriously when exclusivity dies in all places, for now it just sounds like a personal rant that i did before me getting a ps4. If Demon's Souls gets on Steam, then good but i'd doubt it for money and title reason. Before DeS, i'd like to see other older exclusive titles coming to PC :thinking:

I don't think any of you have actually read through one of my posts, have you? Either way, my stance still stands. I hate Sony for keeping Bloodborne exclusive, I'll hate them more if they do it to another game. You can disagree with me all you like, but I've never been okay with it.

[QUOTE=Ona;52310969]I don't think any of you have actually read through one of my posts, have you? Either way, my stance still stands. I hate Sony for keeping Bloodborne exclusive, I'll hate them more if they do it to another game. You can disagree with me all you like, but I've never been okay with it.[/QUOTE] Just to be clear here, being, shall we say, [I]displeased [/I]that a game you'd really like to play is an exclusive for a console you are not going to buy is perfectly fine (as it was mentioned above, get in the line). However, trying to justify a supposed right/entitlement you should have about getting these games on your platform of choice with legal-ish and moral-ish arguments is [I]not[/I] fine, as I was trying to explain in my previous post

[QUOTE=Ona;52310969]I don't think any of you have actually read through one of my posts, have you? Either way, my stance still stands. I hate Sony for keeping Bloodborne exclusive, I'll hate them more if they do it to another game. You can disagree with me all you like, but I've never been okay with it.[/QUOTE] You refusing to accept what everyone else has said doesn't mean they ignored your post.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52311305]next souls-like game from the masters themselves should be pc exclusive[/QUOTE] Yeah and who's gonna fund it to make it a PC exclusive?

[QUOTE=Daemon White;52308251]I have bested Nidhogg once or twice in the fightclubs, never encountered him in the wilds yet.[/QUOTE] He only invaded me ever once and I was completely unprepared. I wonder if SL140 has spared me from ever choking on his greathammers again.

I got invaded by Nidhogg at the Ariandel Chapel and I killed him V:v:V

i have never fought nidhogg but im past my prime these days tso i got nothin to prove really

I like how Nidhogg is our own personal final boss

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;52311031]Just to be clear here, being, shall we say, [I]displeased [/I]that a game you'd really like to play is an exclusive for a console you are not going to buy is perfectly fine (as it was mentioned above, get in the line). However, trying to justify a supposed right/entitlement you should have about getting these games on your platform of choice with legal-ish and moral-ish arguments is [I]not[/I] fine, as I was trying to explain in my previous post[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, expressing an opinion and explaining the reasoning behind my dissatisfaction "isn't fine"? It isn't as though I'm trying to sue Sony, here, jesus. I just get incredibly frustrated and angry whenever I think about Sony's exclusivity policy. I understand why they do it, and I know that they fund a lot of games. But I still [B]hate[/B] it and that's about the extent of it. I legitimately feel like what they do is anti-consumerist, hurts the longevity of games, and is, ultimately, a less profitable way to market their IPs. But then again, I'm not a marketing expert, am I? I'm just a pissed off dude who can't afford a PS4 and is bitter that a game I'd love to play is being held away from me due to this fact. You don't have to agree with my sentiments, hell, a lot of you clearly [I]don't[/I] agree with me. But forgive me for wanting to vent some steam about it here and there. I don't remember reading any rules that said "don't rant about marketing practices you think are dumb" in the forum guidelines. Regardless, it's pretty clear that I'm apparently over-reaching in my posts so I'll stop them. You all know my stance. I suppose we won't know the truth about whatever FromSoft's next title is until the actual reveal at E3. I'm just hoping to hell and back that it [I]isn't[/I] another Sony exclusive.

[QUOTE=Katatonic717;52311926]I like how Nidhogg is our own personal final boss[/QUOTE] I never got invaded by him, a shame :v: But i guess i need to be constantly in ganks since i hardly get invaded as a solo host if not in Aldritch

Speak for yourselves, Nidbogg helped me murder Kosbabby once, we bonafide bffs

who is this nidhogg

Nidhogg has only smashed my ass in a fight club once

Nidhogg killed my parents and then [i]became[/i] my parents

i think i vaguely recognize the name but i dont remember anything about it pls tell me more

Nidhogg once shared some chocolate with me. But then he back stabbed me and stole all my souls. But it's okay, it was just a dream.

[QUOTE=The Dovahneer;52312109]i think i vaguely recognize the name but i dont remember anything about it pls tell me more[/QUOTE] Guy here from FP. Plays too much. Has some gay-arse avatars. Cool guy though.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52312210]Guy here from FP. Plays too much. Has some gay-arse avatars. Cool guy though.[/QUOTE] And leader of Eygon's helmet club

Been smacking the shit out of DS1 bosses first try on a new game, which is quite an improvement from my previous lacklustre performance :v Even the Capra Demon got his arse perforated quickly with my halberd. I remember the time it took me bout 10 tries to get past that fetid cocksplat.

[QUOTE=NitronikALT;52311793]I got invaded by Nidhogg at the Ariandel Chapel and I killed him V:v:V[/QUOTE] ??? I just barely woke up an hour ago and I haven't even touched my computer yet until now. :v:

[QUOTE=Katatonic717;52311926]I like how Nidhogg is our own personal final boss[/QUOTE] As far as I can recall I don't think I ever ran into Nidhogg since I only have the PS4 copy of the game. [I]Unless[/I] that guy with the gargoyle helm and the giant hammer with the profile name "Nidhogg" WAS in fact him... I was smashed. One hit and down of the count. Might was well left a Looney Tunes-styled crater of my character on the ground while the game was at it. 0/10, would not lemme smash once.

I've only seen Nidhogg in fight clubs. Hoping for the day I happen to invade the same world as him while he's streamsniping.

I need to get back into 3 so I can join the fight clubs, been meaning too for a while now

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52312500]Been smacking the shit out of DS1 bosses first try on a new game, which is quite an improvement from my previous lacklustre performance :v Even the Capra Demon got his arse perforated quickly with my halberd. I remember the time it took me bout 10 tries to get past that fetid cocksplat.[/QUOTE] In DS1 going in to a fight with a halberd is like one step away from going in with an assault rifle. High damage, great reach, wide attacks, thrusting attacks they've got it all. I remember that at one point I had to forcibly stop myself from using halberds because I was beating the game too quickly whenever I replayed it.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52312638]In DS1 going in to a fight with a halberd is like one step away from going in with an assault rifle. High damage, great reach, wide attacks, thrusting attacks they've got it all. I remember that at one point I had to forcibly stop myself from using halberds because I was beating the game too quickly whenever I replayed it.[/QUOTE] halberd always felt too slow and clunky for me in ds1 it was god tier in demons tho, rocked that the whole way thru