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[QUOTE=Novangel;48093656][url]http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Persona_4_Golden[/url] the whole list[/QUOTE] I audibly whistled at that. WOAH.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48093684]I audibly whistled at that. WOAH.[/QUOTE] It makes me really wish they waited longer to do P3P cuz if they coulda done that on Vita they wouldn't have had to compromise so much. I mean, they did the best they could and I don't think FemMC wouldn't have existed without it but it sucks that the game lost a lot of its presentation cuz of it. I think that almost happened with P4 as well but they decided to make it for the vita instead and they basically made a version of the game that almost invalidates the original release and still serves as one of the main reasons to buy a vita

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48093696]they basically made a version of the game that almost invalidates the original release[/QUOTE] And this post almost invalidates my purchase decisions [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/negativeman-55f.png[/img]

Whenever I play SMTIV I'm reminded that I really do miss completely random encounters in that game. Estoma sword is one of the stupidest things ever to use if you only want to get around.

[QUOTE=Sai;48093870]Whenever I play SMTIV I'm reminded that I really do miss completely random encounters in that game. Estoma sword is one of the stupidest things ever to use if you only want to get around.[/QUOTE] I'm not a fan of trying to hit demons with shitty 3ds controls. Random encounters (with a visible step timer) would be better for IV imo.

[QUOTE=Altimor;48093890]I'm not a fan of trying to hit demons with shitty 3ds controls. Random encounters would be better for IV imo.[/QUOTE] Not to mention its closer to SMT fashion anyway. I can't imagine having that shit in Nocturne or DDS.

Random encounters might be closer to SMT fashion but I don't really find the change in SMTIV a problem since it makes it more possible to avoid encounters when you really don't want to do them. The combat and everything else is really what i care about in SMT, the way the encounters are presented doesn't make much difference to me and I don't find it particularly vital to the series If they had random encounters in IV I'd want them to handle it like Strange Journey where it's still fairly easy to run away if you need to / want to. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] Though Estoma sword is pretty shit

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48094069]Random encounters might be closer to SMT fashion but I don't really find the change in SMTIV a problem since it makes it more possible to avoid encounters when you really don't want to do them. The combat and everything else is really what i care about in SMT, the way the encounters are presented doesn't make much difference to me and I don't find it particularly vital to the series If they had random encounters in IV I'd want them to handle it like Strange Journey where it's still fairly easy to run away if you need to / want to. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] Though Estoma sword is pretty shit[/QUOTE] You can just use Trafuri and a skill that lets you regain MP.

[QUOTE=Altimor;48094617]You can just use Trafuri and a skill that lets you regain MP.[/QUOTE] Yeah but it takes awhile before you can get those abilities You still have to kinda slog through it in the early game [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] Keep in mind I don't hate random encounters and I think for the first person dungeon crawler games in the series they're perfect, I just don't find them necessary when it's styled like Nocturne or SMTIV where your character walks freely. Both setups seem to have worked fine for Nocturne and SMTIV, at least in my opinion

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48094656]Yeah but it takes awhile before you can get those abilities[/QUOTE] I remember getting Trafuri around level 15 in Nocturne.

Seems like there is another bigish SMT/Persona sale on psn

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48093636]Go in as blind as possible, and if you can, get the vita version. If you can get a PSTV and P4 Golden you'll get a much better experience I mean the PS2 version is fine still but you get a lot more content in the vita version.[/QUOTE]I did that a few days ago, $70 for a PS TV and P4G, and it was so worth it. Even after playing P4 for the first time earlier this year, everything feels really new and exciting in it, although skill cards seem even more OP than in P3P. I don't think I've used anyone besides Izanagi after the first dungeon. For those who've played it, how much extra time do you get to do social links with in those bonus months they added? If it's even close to the 80 days it looks like at first, then it seems like it would be super easy to max all the links on a first playthrough. [QUOTE=HWECQI;48093696]It makes me really wish they waited longer to do P3P cuz if they coulda done that on Vita they wouldn't have had to compromise so much. I mean, they did the best they could and I don't think FemMC wouldn't have existed without it but it sucks that the game lost a lot of its presentation cuz of it.[/QUOTE]My hope is that they do a Persona 3 Golden/etc. that fully integrates FemMC into a well rebalanced and fully-featured Persona 3 for Vita/consoles. It's probably too late for that, but it would be so awesome that have her in a proper game, since she's the reason Persona 3 was so awesome for me.

[QUOTE=k2.;48094977]Seems like there is another bigish SMT/Persona sale on psn[/QUOTE] Yeah guys, Atlus is doing a huge sale on PSN, you can get a lot of the SMT games for like 5 bucks for PS3 and stuff, and you can get P4G for like 15

[QUOTE=Linkuya;48093604]So I don't normally like these kinda games (JRPGs, etc) but a buddy of mine made me try Persona 3 on the PSP and that shit was fucking ace. It really sucked me in and I couldn't really put it down until I finished it. Anyway, that was around three years ago and I've been meaning to try some of the other games in the series. Somebody else lately has been pushing hardcore to get me to try the other games in the series, so after I wrap up Dark Souls 2 here I'm going to play Persona 4. Any tips or tricks I should know going in or should I go in blind like I did with Persona 3?[/QUOTE] You should play P3FES since its better then P3P and it shows you what the series is actually like

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48095417]Yeah guys, Atlus is doing a huge sale on PSN, you can get a lot of the SMT games for like 5 bucks for PS3 and stuff, and you can get P4G for like 15[/QUOTE] Only in the US, annoyingly.

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48094069]Random encounters might be closer to SMT fashion but I don't really find the change in SMTIV a problem since it makes it more possible to avoid encounters when you really don't want to do them. The combat and everything else is really what i care about in SMT, the way the encounters are presented doesn't make much difference to me and I don't find it particularly vital to the series If they had random encounters in IV I'd want them to handle it like Strange Journey where it's still fairly easy to run away if you need to / want to. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] Though Estoma sword is pretty shit[/QUOTE] If it was just random encounters like every other SMT game you could just cast estoma and random encounters completely disappear, and it doesn't take a high level to get that skill either. It's not like I hate it, its just one thing that they seem to have gotten from Persona 3 and 4 that I feel they should've left out.

[QUOTE=Taggart;48095600]Only in the US, annoyingly.[/QUOTE] Well Atlus also just had a big sale on the EUpsn so you just missed that, even had stuff like P4G.

I was going to wait for a Soul Hackers sale but instead I just bought a physical copy because I decided I'd probably rather have a physical copy anyways. It'll get here on Friday. Hoping I'll enjoy it.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;48095478]You should play P3FES since its better then P3P and it shows you what the series is actually like[/QUOTE] I get you hate P3P but it really isn't that bad of an experience for what it is and if anything it's probably prepared him somewhat for P4 since it plays similarly. The actual gameplay isn't really much different at all from what P3 and P4 are known to play like since it just tweaked P3's mechanics to play like P4 and made AI control optional. Besides that it's pretty much the same except for the presentation and some other bonuses like skillcards and stuff, at least for the male MC side of the equation. I mean yeah it's inferior to FES for sure, but you still get the goodness of P3's story from it and it's still fun to play for most people. If people are enjoying it and still getting the story for the most part I don't get the point in ragging on them for playing it, especially if they still enjoy it a lot

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48099127]I get you hate P3P but it really isn't that bad of an experience for what it is and if anything it's probably prepared him somewhat for P4 since it plays similarly. The actual gameplay isn't really much different at all from what P3 and P4 are known to play like since it just tweaked P3's mechanics to play like P4 and made AI control optional. Besides that it's pretty much the same except for the presentation and some other bonuses like skillcards and stuff, at least for the male MC side of the equation. I mean yeah it's inferior to FES for sure, but you still get the goodness of P3's story from it and it's still fun to play for most people. If people are enjoying it and still getting the story for the most part I don't get the point in ragging on them for playing it, especially if they still enjoy it a lot[/QUOTE] Yeah but you miss out on a lot of the emotion and charm of the game and you don't really a get a good frame of reference for anything.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;48100055]Yeah but you miss out on a lot of the emotion and charm of the game and you don't really a get a good frame of reference for anything.[/QUOTE] I disagree very much on that. I've been playing P3P for awhile now, and I mean I've played FES at least 3 times through so I know how it's supposed to feel. It still feels charming and emotional and entertaining. I don't feel like anythings vitally missing except for the lack of anime cutscenes, which I do agree damage the presentation a lot in some scenarios, but it doesn't absolutely ruin the overall experience. Don't see at all how it ruins the frame of reference either

I don't get the argument that one version is definitively superior to the other. JRPGs work best on a handheld IMO and the improved gameplay and replay value of the female main character are very strong arguments in favor of P3P. I certainly don't think it's all that gimped. It doesn't have the Aigis mode but I personally couldn't care less.

[QUOTE=Apollo;48100313]I don't get the argument that one version is definitively superior to the other. JRPGs work best on a handheld IMO and the improved gameplay and replay value of the female main character are very strong arguments in favor of P3P. I certainly don't think it's all that gimped. It doesn't have the Aigis mode but I personally couldn't care less.[/QUOTE] The main issue I find with P3P is mainly the damaged presentation, it definitely feels better paced in P3 FES since it was built that way, relying on the animations for pauses and stuff. Persona 3 and 4 however are pretty easily translated into visual novels though so the overall experience isn't really that hampered by it. The act of running around the school to talk to people isn't really changed, the conversations aren't really damaged much since the character portraits have always been the focus, and the dungeon crawling is still pretty much the same if not better since there's more stuff to do. Besides that though it's fine and I think it's a perfectly acceptable experience for P3. I mean, if you expected a PSP port of the game to be as wonderful as the original game then frankly you were expecting the wrong thing. The point was they wanted to translate the experience to a handheld and make it accessible as a handheld as much as possible within the limitations of the system, and they did fantastic on that front. It's also a shame The Answer isn't in it but asking for that on top of the original game on PSP would be asking for way too much.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;48100055]Yeah but you miss out on a lot of the emotion and charm of the game and you don't really a get a good frame of reference for anything.[/QUOTE]It was the total opposite for me. I played the up to the first operation in both FES and P3P, and loved P3P's take so much more on it and stuck with that to the end. You mention emotion, but the male protagonist felt to me that he was so detached from the events, while the FeMC had so much more a personality, involvement with each members of SEES, and more of a stake in everything that happened. I knew what happened to [sp]Shinjiro[/sp] before playing, but with the s. link, it ended up crushing me, even though it played out differently. It helped that I played Persona 4 before, which made me familiar with the visual vocabulary of these games, so I was able to use my imagination plenty to make up for visual novel deficiencies. Totally do not regret playing P3P first over FES, made me love P3 in a way I probably wouldn't have otherwise. [quote]The main issue I find with P3P is mainly the damaged presentation, it definitely feels better paced in P3 FES since it was built that way, relying on the animations for pauses and stuff.[/quote]Yeah, I think the pacing in P3P was a big reason it kept me going through the whole thing so strongly. Being able to s. link with Yukari, Junpei, and Fuuka right off the bat, with Akihiko, Ken, and Koromaru later, then Shinjiro, Ryoji, Mitsuru, and Aigis near the end was really well spread out, and makes up for the main story's weaknesses in the beginning for me. Meanwhile in FES, it's only Yukari and Fuuka after summer, and Mitsuru and Aigis at the end in the weird forced-dating s. links, leaving you with fighting with generic arcana bosses and socializing with random schoolmates and passerbys. And while I liked a lot of the s. link characters in FES, the non-party member ones should be interesting side-stories to the meat of the main cast, which was compromised by having to do the dating juggle with female members. Obviously Persona 3 was breaking into new ground for them, but P3P really felt like Atlus applying the lessons they learned in the 4 years after the original release. The bigger weakness I see is the gameplay getting unbalanced due to the upheaval of party member control and skill cards. It definitely felt pretty easy compared to Persona 4 and FES. However, and I don't know if this is a sticking point for any of you, the most attractive thing about these games are the stories and characters, and P3P felt like it made all those characters and the story shine so much more brightly.

[QUOTE=Terin7;48100351] Yeah, I think the pacing in P3P was a big reason it kept me going through the whole thing so strongly. Being able to s. link with Yukari, Junpei, and Fuuka right off the bat, with Akihiko, Ken, and Koromaru later, then Shinjiro, Ryoji, Mitsuru, and Aigis near the end was really well spread out, and makes up for the main story's weaknesses in the beginning for me. Meanwhile in FES, it's only Yukari and Fuuka after summer, and Mitsuru and Aigis at the end in the weird forced-dating s. links, leaving you with fighting with generic arcana bosses and socializing with random schoolmates and passerbys. And while I liked a lot of the s. link characters in FES, the non-party member ones should be interesting side-stories to the meat of the main cast, which was compromised by having to do the dating juggle with female members. Obviously Persona 3 was breaking into new ground for them, but P3P really felt like Atlus applying the lessons they learned in the 4 years after the original release. The bigger weakness I see is the gameplay seeming unbalanced due to the upheaval of party member control and skill cards. It definitely felt pretty easy compared to Persona 4 and FES. However, and I don't know if this is a sticking point for any of you, the most attractive thing about these games are the stories and characters, and P3P felt like it made all those characters and the story shine so much more brightly.[/QUOTE] I was saying the pacing in P3P is worse than P3FES because of the stylistic change of having full animated models dictate the pace of a scene rather than just the dialogue. The actual pacing of the S.Links and stuff wasn't really that different in P3P from what I noticed. I don't particularly agree that the main story had a weakness in the beginning. I mean, I was happy to social link with the characters as FemMC, but unlike P4 those interactions didn't feel neccesary since in general your main character wasn't supposed to feel super close to the team like Narukami is supposed to with the Investigation Team. Having your social links come from people in school was meant to give a little more value to reaching out when you were going to school, though I do agree some of the links could have been better. The lack of party member S.Links though wasn't really an issue to me though because P3's message wasn't really that much about the importance of friendship like P4 was, it was more about the meaning of life and death and how you find purpose. And to be honest, most of my criticisms of P3P are ignoring FemMC because she's kind of a completely different deal. She wasn't really made to be a correction on things they did wrong in P3, she was meant to be a reason for previous players to go back and play P3, so most of the design choices around her were made to deliberately alter the story in significant, yet manageable ways. The gameplay is definitely easier but the combat isn't really that important to Persona. I mean it's really fun still and I like a good challenge, but I don't mind it being easier since I play Persona for story while I play mainline SMT for strong gameplay.

Leaked P4DAN DLC gameplay: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7lAE7gAaGE[/media]

That video is beautiful look another P4DAN leak [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28491839/tumblr_inline_nqvi8nmaDj1rup1q8_500.png[/img]

I hope everyone in Kanamin Kitchen is super into Narukami.

[QUOTE=mikester112;48119045]I hope everyone in Kanamin Kitchen is super into Narukami.[/QUOTE] I mean its a persona 4 game, so they're much obligated to.

[QUOTE=HWECQI;48118921]That video is beautiful look another P4DAN leak [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28491839/tumblr_inline_nqvi8nmaDj1rup1q8_500.png[/img][/QUOTE] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67144542/Drawings/2015/550_Jul2_Awful.png[/img]