[QUOTE=ElusiveBadger;52187040]The smoke covers a really small area and only lasts 30 seconds. Even if this is kinda a neat idea, Rogue deck is still king of dodge.[/QUOTE]
You're going to be camping all the time on One Down anyway, so why would it matter if it covers a small area
[QUOTE=KayoDuck;52186840]I think the reload and the interaction bonus is just something that can make a lot of difference, also using a lot of the bots mods like BB, Keepers, Bots Fix a Drill and such is just insane[/QUOTE]
The interaction speed is the single thing that makes a big difference IMO and it only seems fair because without other players every task will take longer anyway. Use the beast on big bank with boosts vs big bank with players and you'll see players are still faster
As for modding, it's totally up to the player to use and shouldn't be factored into the balancing
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Not to mention no deployables and no crew alive bonus
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[QUOTE=ElusiveBadger;52187040]The smoke covers a really small area and only lasts 30 seconds. Even if this is kinda a neat idea, Rogue deck is still king of dodge.[/QUOTE]
Rogue wasn't even best before this update
[t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187024354951954432/309810049134362654/20170504175332_1.jpg[/t]
Nice one, Overkill.
Isn't this like the 4th or so time they added a new menu thing without adding the strings for it?
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52186918]Implying anarchist is even remotely bad[/QUOTE]
Anarchist gets shredded in front of a turret because no damage delay.
My google-fu on the word "Sangres" told me that it's the plural of "Sangre"
Sangre means blood.
Sangres literally means "Bloods".
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52187057]The interaction speed is the single thing that makes a big difference IMO and it only seems fair because without other players every task will take longer anyway. Use the beast on big bank with boosts vs big bank with players and you'll see players are still faster
As for modding, it's totally up to the player to use and shouldn't be factored into the balancing
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Not to mention no deployables and no crew alive bonus[/QUOTE]
For the deployables you can ace medic bags and that's it, you will have a good amount of ammo from the ammo boxes bonus. Also Crew Bonus is eh, not a big deal
I have been playing BB on Crime Spree with bots only and is not too slow, it takes like what, 16-18 mins something, is decent time. Only part that consumes time is the computer that, the rest is just ok. Also yeah, the mods is totally apart from the main game but really, if you have them you are set for good
I need a sombrero so I can make a yakuza speedy gonzalez build
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Also did anyone read Sangres' backstory? He's apparently literally a border hopper
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/j9rnoNm.png[/img]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52187183]I need a sombrero so I can make a yakuza speedy gonzalez build
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Also did anyone read Sangres' backstory? He's apparently literally a border hopper
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/j9rnoNm.png[/img][/QUOTE]
[I][B]crossed the border to the US.[/B][/I]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/d06ys71.jpg[/t]
I mean, this back story is actually kinda shit imo
all it really tells us is that yes he's from the cartel and he's an illegal immigrant
pretty much nothing else of substance here, very basic reasoning for joining, mostly talking about his weapons
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It'd be nice if they'd given him a jiro-esque reason such as trying to get his family greencards to escape to the US to give them a safer, good life or something
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52187008]Seems pretty good to me. If you have a whole team with this, pretty sure you could keep smoke up infinitely, meaning everyone, regardless of armor, has a 50% dodge chance. From there, if you do get hit, you dodge chance increases by 20% until you do dodge a shot. And if you dodge a shot, your armor fully regenerates. With a team all using it, you'd probably be able to tank a swarm of swat turrets.
Of if need be you could line an entire pathway with them and have a hallway of 50% dodge.
You could take ICTV and still have a 50% dodge chance inside the smoke, and fully regenerate all of that 50% of the time.[/QUOTE]
Smoke Grenades don't force a 50% dodge chance, the calculation works like this:
[code]Dodge Chance = 1 - (1 - (Dodge Value%)) * (1 - 50%)[/code]
His reasoning seems to be that even the cartels can't make the kind of money the Payday gang does.
[QUOTE=Mochnel;52187211][I][B]crossed the border to the US.[/B][/I]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/d06ys71.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
that actually makes a lot of sense
when people wear masks like Nixon/Reagan its a negative political statement about them so it only makes sense someone specifically targeted (illegal mexican immigrants) by his policy would wear one in the same light
[QUOTE=Lolnoob1;52187220]Smoke Grenades don't force a 50% dodge chance, the calculation works like this:
[code]Dodge Chance = 1 - (1 - (Dodge Value%)) * (1 - 50%)[/code][/QUOTE]
Just going off what the perk says, which is that its a 50% chance.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52187222]His reasoning seems to be that even the cartels can't make the kind of money the Payday gang does.[/QUOTE]
pesos have a really bad exchange rate
[t]http://i.imgur.com/GqGpP1u.png[/t]
the country's GDP is also 1.14 trillion while America's is 18.04 trillion
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52187224]Just going off what the perk says, which is that its a 50% chance.[/QUOTE]
Overkill's descriptions tend to be incredibly inaccurate at times.
Instead of having 50% dodge with an ICTV on in smoke, you'll actually have a 22.5% dodge chance (which is still pretty great given the amount of armor you have).
[QUOTE=Lolnoob1;52187235]Overkill's descriptions tend to be incredibly inaccurate at times.
Instead of having 50% dodge with an ICTV on in smoke, you'll actually have a 22.5% dodge chance (which is still pretty great given the amount of armor you have).[/QUOTE]
is it because of the -dodge on the armor itself or does it ignore that too?
[QUOTE=DS_;52186843]Anyone else feel like the revolvers are pretty shit?
There's little reason to use the secondary over the bronco other than for fun. The akimbo version doesnt seem very powerful either, it's fun to use but falls flat damage wise.[/QUOTE]
I just wish they did dual revolvers like in Killing Floor where they alternate firing, so you'd get ten shots rather than just five.
[QUOTE=Hatley;52187144]My google-fu on the word "Sangres" told me that it's the plural of "Sangre"
Sangre means blood.
Sangres literally means "Bloods".[/QUOTE]
Also I'm fairly certain that you don't add an "s" when you pluralize "sangre" en espanol.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52187241]is it because of the -dodge on the armor itself or does it ignore that too?[/QUOTE]
The -dodge isn't ignored, since the ICTV has -0.55 as the value.
I should note that this also ignores the 10% dodge increase granted by the last perk, and I'm not sure if that's applied afterwards.
I just realized Sangre's perk deck is Hitman in Spanish
Juan Wick?
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[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;52187242]I just wish they did dual revolvers like in Killing Floor where they alternate firing, so you'd get ten shots rather than just five.
Also I'm fairly certain that you don't add an "s" when you pluralize "sangre" en espanol.[/QUOTE]
Its a real shame we got this guy instead of your design for a Mexican heister. I definitely liked the mask better than this skull candy one
so would this perk deck be somehow viable with various tiers of armor when you're in that cloud or what
haven't been able to try it yet
Ok so
Sangres (Name) - Bloods
Sicario (Perk Deck) - Hitman
El Verugo (Melee name/engraving) - The Executioner
Castigo (Revolver) - Punishment
Demonio (Back of head) - Demon
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His mask entry also has a bit of backstory on the mask itself and he
[img]http://i.imgur.com/E4Y2SKF.png[/img]
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The nose of his mask also very clearly has been made to look like a spade
[video]https://youtu.be/pyBrZtP46ls[/video]
You also will find his tattoos have some religious references, and he has a mural of Mother Mary in his room, and a framed photo of her as well next to one of an old woman that may be his grandmother or something
[t]http://i.imgur.com/N1JfcOs.png[/t]
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Does anyone know what the tattoo on his chest says? Zdann, is there a texture that might show it?
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Monterrey maybe, since its where he operated
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52187328]
El Jugo (Melee name/engraving) - The Executioner[/QUOTE]
*Verdugo
Jugo means juice.
I don't know what happened there lmao
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I'm surprised jugo meant anything tbh
despite not seeing them for months, I have confused sangres for HRTs from a distance many times
Do you guys remember when people thought Bonnie or Sydney was kind of shoehorned into the gang
I think sangres might take the record
Im not sure why they're adding characters that are just gonna be scrapped for 3
Of characters that might be in danger I really dont think its Bonnie Sydney or even this guy
The ones in danger are ones that would need to get rights re-approved and/or have missing VAs
So Wolf, Wick, Jacket, Jimmy, Scarface, Rust, and Bodhi are probably the ones in the most danger
Honestly, I kinda like that his backstory is simple. Its not, "Ohh, I knew Hoxton by way of my mother's cousin in Vietnam." or "Ohh, my father was sodomized by a drug gang out of DC and I need revenge and Bain's gonna help." or "I'm a Payday gang fangirl, I'm gonna raid the safehouse to impress them!" Its literally just, "I want to make more money."
Although Wick is so ingrained into the game and I think Starbreeze must have some kind of exclusive game rights or something given they've made a game just about him and things involving him keep making returns into the Payday universe and content
I still worry for him though given the films continuity
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52187454]Honestly, I kinda like that his backstory is simple. Its not, "Ohh, I knew Hoxton by way of my mother's cousin in Vietnam." or "Ohh, my father was sodomized by a drug gang out of DC and I need revenge and Bain's gonna help." or "I'm a Payday gang fangirl, I'm gonna raid the safehouse to impress them!" Its literally just, "I want to make more money."[/QUOTE]
Given the photo in his room and no elaboration on what the money is for I think there's more than meets the eye to this backstory and that they just haven't wrote it out for us yet
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