Can't wait for retards to complain about jap tanks having shitty armour as if it's armour irl was any good.
[QUOTE=Araknid;51144828]Can't wait for retards to complain about jap tanks having shitty armour as if it's armour irl was any good.[/QUOTE]
I think AP .50cal has a penetration of 19mm at 500m?
I can only imagine the horrors when I start grinding Japanese tanks
[QUOTE=Araknid;51144828]Can't wait for retards to complain about jap tanks having shitty armour as if it's armour irl was any good.[/QUOTE]
The bottom line for tank warfare is who gets the first shot. Crew protection isn't really paramount.
[QUOTE=Kill001;51144834]I think AP .50cal has a penetration of 19mm at 500m?
I can only imagine the horrors when I start grinding Japanese tanks[/QUOTE]
Trying to read through google translate on wiki, the Chi-I had 17mm of armour...
The type 89 I-Go had 6-17mm
Even the type 4 Chi-To, which would be one of their best mediums (well, 2 were made...) varied from 12-75mm of armour and a 75mm gun with 75mm penetration at 1000m.
I think it'll be a field day for SPAA...
Wouldn't most T-34s be able to punch straight through the Chi-To, judging by armour values and a picture of it, it looks to me like APHE would absolutely murder it.
forget aphe, shrapnel shot would have a goddamn field day
Japan just had sub-standard tanks to be honest, it was probably a terrain thing, though I don't know much about their campaigns in China and such.
Probably like Italy, where terrain wasn't really tank suitable in many areas?
Finally, someone else will get to experience the being killed by a 7.62 coxial hit to the drivers knee fun known as the soviet tier ones. (Not including the t50/t70).
actually it's because japan has fucking abysmal iron deposits. the quality and quantity of their iron is so low that they just can't design anything super armoured or agile because of it
it's also why katanas are FORUDED ONE MIRRION TIMES FOR GREAT NIPPON
cus the iron is so shit they need to fold it to strengthen it
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;51145642]Finally, someone else will get to experience the being killed by a 7.62 coxial hit to the drivers knee fun known as the soviet tier ones. (Not including the t50/t70).[/QUOTE]
Except it's an entire tech tree of that.
Would the Japanese tanks even have any advantage over the others to make them worth playing? Like the planes can turn really well to make up for the fact that they're made out of gasoline soaked origami, but I can't imagine the tanks would be fast or have good guns to make up for their lack of armour.
As far as I am aware, the guns were pretty meh, most of them being 37mm, 47mm, 57mm, and the occasional 75mms. I think they did have a plan for an 88mm on one tank or another, but they inevitably never got made, with the 88mms being needed elsewhere.
As an example for the Type 1 47mm anti-tank gun: 55mm/100m, 40mm/500m, 30mm/1000m - APHE, AP and HE shell types.
On the bright side, I can't remember what tank it was, but it had 100 rounds of whatever calibre shell it used. So at least you aren't bouncing your final shot... you have a whole arsenal to bounce off the glorious Stalinium.
Armour is basically paper for most of them - they were mostly light and medium tanks, and substandard at that.
As for speed, I don't know, but at a guess, pretty average. Probably better than Tiger 2s and the like in that they actually made it to the frontlines without fucking up their suspensions.
12.7mm MGs will shred them. It'll be a slaughter.
I hope they don't add the Type 100 O-I, I've seen how cancerous it was in WoT.
But then again, things that are good in WoT are often dogshit in WT and vice versa.
[QUOTE=BananaMed;51146045]I hope they don't add the Type 100 O-I, I've seen how cancerous it was in WoT.
But then again, things that are good in WoT are often dogshit in WT and vice versa.[/QUOTE]
I'd probably be pretty gross in WT too actually, since it has a fuckload of crewman
[editline]3rd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Terminutter;51145976]As far as I am aware, the guns were pretty meh, most of them being 37mm, 47mm, 57mm, and the occasional 75mms. I think they did have a plan for an 88mm on one tank or another, but they inevitably never got made, with the 88mms being needed elsewhere.
As an example for the Type 1 47mm anti-tank gun: 55mm/100m, 40mm/500m, 30mm/1000m - APHE, AP and HE shell types.
On the bright side, I can't remember what tank it was, but it had 100 rounds of whatever calibre shell it used. So at least you aren't bouncing your final shot... you have a whole arsenal to bounce off the glorious Stalinium.
Armour is basically paper for most of them - they were mostly light and medium tanks, and substandard at that.
As for speed, I don't know, but at a guess, pretty average. Probably better than Tiger 2s and the like in that they actually made it to the frontlines without fucking up their suspensions.
12.7mm MGs will shred them. It'll be a slaughter.[/QUOTE]
TBH I pretty seriously doubt that anyone with any knowledge of tanks would actually [I]want[/I] to use Japanese tanks, and frankly I'm shocked that Japan is getting an entire tree of vehicles as opposed to being a subset of the Germans (or a premium line for the Germans, like the French are for the Brits).
Japanese planes are tough to play but are good if you're a skilled pilot. Japanese tanks are basically worthless with zero redeeming features unless Gaijin really pulls something out of their asses. Assuming that leaked tree is legit, Japanese armor is going to be fun for fucking around in amphibious tanks and nothing else.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;51146103]
TBH I pretty seriously doubt that anyone with any knowledge of tanks would actually [I]want[/I] to use Japanese tanks, [/QUOTE]
I like the challenge. Getting kills when the deck is completely stacked against you is fun (most of the time..).
I absolutely adore glass cannon gameplay so japanese tanks are right up my alley.
[QUOTE=Tea Guy;51146652]I absolutely adore glass cannon gameplay so japanese tanks are right up my alley.[/QUOTE]
The thing about glass cannons is that they kind of need to have a [I]cannon to make up for the glass[/I] :v: Japanese guns are pretty much garbage (until the cold-war ranks where they just use NATO equipment)
Tanks continue to be some of the most frustrating shit I've ever played.
Currently running Tiger II (H), move up to the frontlines, hit someone, shot gets absorbed by the optics port. Shoot again, hit the ammo rack, doesn't explode....then I get flanked and die.
Restart, bunker down, sit in spawn and BAM, I get sniped from across the map on my left cheek by an IS-2, kills my entire crew instantly. Go figure...just can't win with this game, even in a Tiger II
I really think they should restore the Tiger II's 200m plate, people seem to have ZERO issue hitting it.
[QUOTE=GhostShoes;51147091]Tanks continue to be some of the most frustrating shit I've ever played.
Currently running Tiger II (H), move up to the frontlines, hit someone, shot gets absorbed by the optics port. Shoot again, hit the ammo rack, doesn't explode....then I get flanked and die.
Restart, bunker down, sit in spawn and BAM, I get sniped from across the map on my left cheek by an IS-2, kills my entire crew instantly. Go figure...just can't win with this game, even in a Tiger II
I really think they should restore the Tiger II's 200m plate, people seem to have ZERO issue hitting it.[/QUOTE]
Don't play realistic tanks. I just started rolling around in arcade for the first time in 2 years-ish; it's a blast in the Tiger II
[QUOTE=Terminutter;51145314]The type 89 I-Go had 6-17mm[/QUOTE]
Speaking of the I-Go, there was a famous tanker who died gloriously in one whilst taking small arms fire
check out the aftermath
[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Kojiro_nishizumi.jpg[/img]
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Oh yeah, the header on the left translates to "JAPANESE TANKS ARE STRONG"
[QUOTE=GhostShoes;51147091]I really think they should restore the Tiger II's 200m plate, people seem to have ZERO issue hitting it.[/QUOTE]
What 200mm plate? It only ever had 185mm at most, that being the turret face.
I do think they should get rid of the negative modifier on late war German tanks that makes their armour worth less than the listed values, though; there's so many similar faults of quality that aren't modelled in-game that I think it's a little unfair to model only that one.
[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;51150592]What 200mm plate? It only ever had 185mm at most, that being the turret face.
I do think they should get rid of the negative modifier on late war German tanks that makes their armour worth less than the listed values, though; there's so many similar faults of quality that aren't modelled in-game that I think it's a little unfair to model only that one.[/QUOTE]
My bad, was always under the impression it was supposed to be 200m, didn't realize there was just a modifier for armor reduction.
But yes, I agree. Hardly any of the maps are large enough to make hitting the Tiger II's plate difficult anyways. I'm practically always forced into CQC so it makes no difference.
[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;51150592]I do think they should get rid of the negative modifier on late war German tanks[/QUOTE]
It's a 5% modifier (so... about 9mm difference) only on the Tiger II H's turret face and literally nowhere else
[QUOTE=Shibbey;51152559]It's a 5% modifier (so... about 9mm difference) only on the Tiger II H's turret face and literally nowhere else[/QUOTE]
I misremembered the Maus/E-100 turret being affected by it (it's just the cast armour penalty), but if you ignore the Sla.16 and the 10.5cm Tiger II then yes the Tiger II (H) is the only affected tank.
Regardless, it's terrible and inconsistent to only simulate armour flaws on those three vehicles.
[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;51153121]I misremembered the Maus/E-100 turret being affected by it (it's just the cast armour penalty), but if you ignore the Sla.16 and the 10.5cm Tiger II then yes the Tiger II (H) is the only affected tank.
Regardless, it's terrible and inconsistent to only simulate armour flaws on those three vehicles.[/QUOTE]
It's from when the old penetration stats were in, and IS-3/4's guns couldn't penetrate it at all, and, rather than correcting the guns to their actual performance, they just did a gentle adjustment of the Tiger II so that something could actually hurt it at all from the front, and then never fixed it when the guns were corrected
[editline]5th October 2016[/editline]
I agree that it's stupid
Is the leo's APDS meant to reliably bounce off the magical spaced sides of T-10m's or did they break something in the last patch? I haven't had much experience shooting at these things yet but looking at the ammo's stats vs the armour model the shells should easily be slicing through its upper sides, spaced armour doesn't exactly counter APDS
[B]"The amount of SP (spawn points) for kill assist in RB for ground vehicles has been increased."[/B]
About time, you can wreck a entire tank in RB and get nothing for it only because some put a AP shot into a crew member. Part of why I don't touch tank RB anymore.
The T29 feels disgustingly OP for 6.7 now that the spall shield behind the mantlet seems to be working. I can't see it staying at 6.7 for long in this state, which is sad because I'd prefer it stay there without the spall shield just for [I]avoidance-of-8.0-cancer[/I] RP grind purposes.
[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;51162205]The T29 feels disgustingly OP for 6.7 now that the spall shield behind the mantlet seems to be working. I can't see it staying at 6.7 for long in this state, which is sad because I'd prefer it stay there without the spall shield just for [I]avoidance-of-8.0-cancer[/I] RP grind purposes.[/QUOTE]
If only Gaijin put a competitive 6.7 US tank into the actual tree, might be too much to ask.
Watching some footage from Il-2: BoS made me realise there are no back-fires from the engine stacks in WT.
Now I want those in game, badly.
Oh man, not only can the Swingfire become one with the bush, [I]the bushes don't block the gunner sight like they do on the IT-1[/I].
GB bias confirmed.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/HYmrlbm.png[/t]
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balans
[vid]http://files.1337upload.net/swing-1b95f2.webm[/vid]
After playing with this ^ fucker right here last night im no longer on the fence about it, ATGM's are just flat out better in every conceivable way than normal tanks and there is basically no point in playing anything but them.
grind begins now
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