[QUOTE=nightlord;51564292]It's stupid that the game has released when it isn't finished. Where are the rest of the boats? Where's that world war gamemode?
Then again, it was never really felt like a "beta" in the first place, to me it always felt like it was just early access so it could avoid criticism.
Also, [I]why[/I] does the Steam page say it's an MMO?[/QUOTE]Admittedly i have no idea why it says that.
It's always felt like a beta because its released some things before they were fully complete, like when they released ground forces.
That an it was always a beta, UNTIL NOW!
[t]https://static.warthunder.com/upload/image/!%202016%20NEWS/December/Release/wt_timeline_eng_fc42ec25a3c09dd0abebc40fd6f7f0e3.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=madmax678;51564325]Admittedly i have no idea why it says that.
It's always felt like a beta because its released some things before they were fully complete, like when they released ground forces.
That an it was always a beta, UNTIL NOW!
[t]https://static.warthunder.com/upload/image/!%202016%20NEWS/December/Release/wt_timeline_eng_fc42ec25a3c09dd0abebc40fd6f7f0e3.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
WHAT NEXT
[QUOTE=madmax678;51564233]As Giulio said, does it matter?
If skill is a big thing for you why not join the USAF and fly something for real?
IMHO, tanks and planes have pretty much the same level of skill required and have pretty much the same sort of objectives just named different or in a slightly different format. As for skill, tanks do require skill, as a few users in this thread that i know and have played with can tell you that tanks ([URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JGjvqOIpto"]depending[/URL] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skrFIk6GSt4"]on[/URL] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxlwDLaQXPU"]what[/URL] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52-qYd5OdRI"]you[/URL] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhVJ6kInRM&t"]use[/URL]) can require a lot of thinking in regards to enemy movements and you're own position as well as where to hit the enemy and knowing whether or not to gtfo if the guy you are facing has superior firepower and/or armour.
Also, judging by the line-up you had in the background when you posted that picture, i assume you're a man that likes the simpler things in life, such as "laser-pointing" tanks, i like them too![/QUOTE]
Those were the tanks used for teutonic giants lol
Same lineup that everyone else used probably starting in the top 500
Aviation requires an enormous amount of skill to be really good in (I'm still waiting for someone to challenge me to an RB air duel to dismiss my argument)
I'm being very cocky, because I know what I'm talking about.
Maybe 1% of the people that posted on this thread are good as me when it comes to air RB
Tanks don't take skill at all imo
Ok we get it you disagree with straight up everyone in this thread congratulations you get a gold star.
It really is as if Covalent was back.
[QUOTE=archival;51564429]Ok we get it you disagree with straight up everyone in this thread congratulations you get a gold star.[/QUOTE]
No one has yet disproved my argument regarding aviation
People are just arguing without even providing their ign to showcase how much experience, or how good/bad they are in aviation/tanks
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51564385] (I'm still waiting for someone to challenge me to an RB air duel to dismiss my argument)[/QUOTE]
How's getting beat in a 1v1 supposed to demonstrate a point? Really to me it seems you're just dickswinging and the nonsensical "argument" you're giving is just an excuse into riling someone up enough to bother with this dumb bullshit.
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51564444]No one has yet disproved my argument regarding aviation
People are just arguing without even providing their ign to showcase how much experience, or how good/bad they are in aviation/tanks[/QUOTE]
That is the logic of a child, "oh someone doesn't have proof they are super high skilled therefore any reasoning they have must be invalid".
[QUOTE=snapshot32;51564457]How's getting beat in a 1v1 supposed to demonstrate a point? Really to me it seems you're just dickswinging and the nonsensical "argument" you're giving is just an excuse into riling someone up enough to bother with this dumb bullshit.[/QUOTE]
My point was that being good at aviation takes a huge amount of skill
The winner of the duel is a more skilled pilot, and thus makes a more credible argument in that department
[editline]21st December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=archival;51564471]That is the logic of a child, "oh someone doesn't have proof they are super high skilled therefore any reasoning they have must be invalid".[/QUOTE]
Or your logic is flawed?
It's the same thing as stating lets say, "The USA won ww2"
That's just an opinion unless you back it up with sources
Someone's service record is a very good source to get an idea of how good/bad a player is
Stats don't say everything, but you'll definitely have a well rounded service record if you're good
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51564482]My point was that being good at aviation takes a huge amount of skill
The winner of the duel is a more skilled pilot, and thus makes a more credible argument in that department[/QUOTE]
That's illogical as far as testing an argument goes. If dueling is purely dependent on demonstrating individual skill in a competitive sense then that's not lending favor to any argument, now is it?
[QUOTE=snapshot32;51564502]That's illogical as far as testing an argument goes. If dueling is purely dependent on demonstrating individual skill in a competitive sense then that's not lending favor to any argument, now is it?[/QUOTE]
If I duel someone that claims aviation barely takes any skill and they lose in seconds (or even better yet with awful statistics for aircraft) then what is that supposed to imply regarding their argument?
:dogchill:
[QUOTE=madmax678;51564325]Admittedly i have no idea why it says that.
It's always felt like a beta because its released some things before they were fully complete, like when they released ground forces.
That an it was always a beta, UNTIL NOW!
[t]https://static.warthunder.com/upload/image/!%202016%20NEWS/December/Release/wt_timeline_eng_fc42ec25a3c09dd0abebc40fd6f7f0e3.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
They released things before they were complete, but they're [I]still[/I] missing what's going to be 1/3 of the game, and there's still that "World War" mode to come, so taking it out of early access doesn't make sense when the game isn't actually finished.
[QUOTE=nightlord;51564609]They released things before they were complete, but they're [I]still[/I] missing what's going to be 1/3 of the game, and there's still that "World War" mode to come, so taking it out of early access doesn't make sense when the game isn't actually finished.[/QUOTE]All i have to really to say to that is:
[U]Praise[/U] [I][U]the[/U][/I] [B][U]SNAIL[/U][/B]
[t]http://www.3lvgames.com/images/gaijin-entertainment.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51564522]If I duel someone that claims aviation barely takes any skill and they lose in seconds (or even better yet with awful statistics for aircraft) then what is that supposed to imply regarding their argument?[/QUOTE]
It implies nothing. You can simply be the better or worse player in that scenario, but as to settling something as vague as this line of discussion it proves nothing. Shows of skill aren't going to definitively prove what you want them to.
IMO, both ground and air requires skill, but the skill ceiling in the air (RB and SB) is MUCH higher. A good pilot will be almost impossible to kill by an average player, especially in a 1v1 while the best tank driver on the planet will be killed by lesser players all the time.
Ground combat almost certainly has more RNG as well.
So I was flying the IL2-37(?) today against ground targets in AB. Then some guys come up behind me and start ripping me to shreds. THEN I was set on fire. Just when I thought all hope was lost...
[t]http://i.imgur.com/hFGoS0v.jpg[/t]
Well, the fires went out. The skin also fell off. I figured I wasn't going to survive much longer with most of the plane skin missing and the tip of the tale missing. Was a bit weird that the thing was still flying.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/LT9no8o.jpg[/t]
BUT I WAS WRONG! Another fire started and the same thing happened again! More skin on the right side burned off. Surely I couldn't go further with a skeleton plane right?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/OSteYYV.jpg[/t]
Even more madness! Just about all of the tail and some more rear body got shot off but the ghost of russian bias refused to let the 37mm soviet meme machine die.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/F48bkQn.jpg[/t]
Just when you thought the bias would end there, the cockpit body and front as well as propeller came flying off but the spud gun with (skeleton) wings flew on.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/AXwnL2F.jpg[/t]
Unfortunately I didn't manage to get pics in time but the finale came when the ENTIRE body came off with nothing left but two akwardly staring pilots flying towards the side of a mountain (control cable got cut). The real kicker? The gunner in all of his derpy 7.62 mm ai turret glory managed to kill both the enemy pilots. Honestly the ai kill was more surprising to me than the plane (it happened a while back with the IL-4. I posted pics here).
[QUOTE=sgman91;51564956]IMO, both ground and air requires skill, but the skill ceiling in the air (RB and SB) is MUCH higher. A good pilot will be almost impossible to kill by an average player, especially in a 1v1 while the best tank driver on the planet will be killed by lesser players all the time.
Ground combat almost certainly has more RNG as well.[/QUOTE]
Thank you
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51564444]People are just arguing without even providing their ign to showcase how much experience, or how good/bad they are in aviation/tanks[/QUOTE]
Ok. Guess I'll start by checking out your profile first.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/OJXSwuB.png[/img]
Wow, 54% I'm impressed! Guess I'll take a look at mine..
[img]http://i.imgur.com/jEma8LZ.png[/img]
Oh..
Lets compare arcade, just for fun.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/56UiJsg.png[/img]
47%? [i]Ouch[/i]. Well it is arcade, and everyone know that it's impossible to carry and skill is meaningless.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/K973fYx.png[/img]
Well, most of the time.
But let's compare what really matters, vehicle stats. From what I saw, you're actually un-ironically a good pilot. So props to you. Your tank stats however are lacking.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/LW0Zzg5.png[/img]
Playing nothing but Russian tanks, with an unimpressive average WR, and not even that many games in them and you somehow determined that tanks are entirely RNG? With no skill?
Here's my RB tank stats:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/z4LppMl.png[/img]
Dat RNG.
Lets compare arcade stats again, since you have significantly more battles in arcade tanks than RB tanks.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/O1cyzoV.png[/img]
Nothing impressive here either.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/GSOXctk.png[/img]
I think I found the problem. You aren't good at tanks, so you fall back to the thing you're actually good at (aviation) and blame your inability to perform in tanks on RNG. Nobody was claiming RB planes take "no skill" until you came in here and said the exact same thing about tanks, so don't act like you're some lone pillar of righteousness. And despite your constant insistence, someone "1v1"ing you in planes would be completely irrelevant to your tank argument.
If you want to prove me wrong, fite me irl. But that wouldn't make any sense, would it? But yeah, I'll let you get back to trolling (good stuff, I actually replied twice). (:
[QUOTE=Lupin;51565645]Ok. Guess I'll start by checking out your profile first.
(:[/QUOTE]
Your comparison and hypothetical assumptions are so flawed lmao. I appreciate the time you spent on this though. Time to dismantle your petty arguments
First of all, half of your tanks on the front page for both arcade and RB are low tier.. That's just plain sad, and makes you look like a complete hypocrite lol
"Isn't good at tanks" Yet I was in the top 50 for the teutonic giants tournament
Good job having great stats in the calliope, must take a ton of skill!
Also forgot to mention that there's no incentive in playing tank RB if you're looking at grind efficiency, arcade has always been superior
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51565741]Your comparison and hypothetical assumptions are so flawed lmao. I appreciate the time you spent on this though. Time to dismantle your petty arguments
First of all, half of your tanks on the front page for both arcade and RB are low tier.. That's just plain sad, and makes you look like a complete hypocrite lol
"Isn't good at tanks" Yet I was in the top 50 for the teutonic giants tournament
Good job having great stats in the calliope, must take a ton of skill!
Also forgot to mention that there's no incentive in playing tank RB if you're looking at grind efficiency, arcade has always been superior[/QUOTE]
lol
[QUOTE=Lupin;51565771]lol[/QUOTE]
Also forgot to ask what you were trying to imply with win rate lol
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51565741]
"Isn't good at tanks" Yet I was in the top 50 for the teutonic giants tournament
G[/QUOTE]
you didnt have to be good to place highly in teutonic giants rofl, you just had a play a shitload of games
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;51565935]you didnt have to be good to place highly in teutonic giants rofl, you just had a play a shitload of games[/QUOTE]
No you didn't lol, it went by winning streaks
You can even see in my screenshot that I had more kills than half the people on the front page
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51565778]Also forgot to ask what you were trying to imply with win rate lol[/QUOTE]
The gist of it is that a higher winrate naturally denotes a stronger player - as in someone who contributes more to their teams possibility of winning the match. Of course if you meant to imply that having a higher kill/death stat as opposed to a high win rate makes you a more skilled player then you should have established that line of thinking before getting dumpstered.
:^)
[QUOTE=snapshot32;51566213]The gist of it is that a higher winrate naturally denotes a stronger player - as in someone who contributes more to their teams possibility of winning the match. Of course if you meant to imply that having a higher kill/death stat as opposed to a high win rate makes you a more skilled player then you should have established that line of thinking before getting dumpstered.
:^)[/QUOTE]
No statistic shows whether or not someone squads up which has an enormous impact on peformance
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i'm going to be in oregon tomorrow and christmas :suicide:
[QUOTE=Ghost Prodigy;51566332]No statistic shows whether or not someone squads up which has an enormous impact on peformance[/QUOTE]
So why ask to see other peoples statistics if you know it's a flawed metric? Perhaps just to stir shit?
Is this the CoD/csgo thread or what's up with all the "1v1 me kiddo" posts in here?
I would just like to make everyone aware of that playing RB/SB takes more skill then AB.
I just play this game for fun and high tiers are no fun so i just stopped at lowtiers. Groundforces that is.
Stop getting baited, boys
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