[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;50803643]Our secrets are 90% damage values and encounters. We don't want people looking at a gun as a "95 DPS device", we want them to look at it as a Pulse Rifle. Similarly, we have certain things which only show up once in a blue moon. We want people to feel excited when they see these things, especially if they are seeing them for the first time.
Since CM is fairly competition based, we don't want people knowing the precise values of things because we want to minimize powergaming. And we also want them to be intrigued when they discover a new firearm, or they see a new enemy.[/QUOTE]
I will argue that DPS is pretty irrelevant in SS13, unless some of the Aayys have 2000HP+ it's going to come down to "It takes X shots from this gun to down an alien but Y shots from this gun, however gun X stuns/slows/fits in your back pocket whereas gun Y does not"
A lot of the time in SS13 more damage is seldom better unless it kills VERY quickly, now you might argue about how soldiers should roleyplay this encounter every single time but at the end of the day when it's two human controlled teams against one another at the end of the day it's always going to boil down to "player skill wins". Especially as the aliens have little capacity to do anything besides incapacitate humans and take them to the hive, of course the aliens are going to play competitively and figure out how much it takes to down a marine if he's wearing X kind of armour or how many shots from X weapon you can take before you die. And thus by the same token the marines are going to respond in kind and figure out the best way to not die from aliens.
When you say "A new firearm" do you mean for them to role play how fucking awesome this slightly different pistol is? If yes then why not just take people aside and ask them to try to keep it IC when they go "Oh nice a 20 damage pistol!". If no then be a little more sparing and a little more varied with firearms, why not add a grenade pistol? Make it appear somewhere hard to get and possibly randomized so getting to use one is a real treat and something the aliens should rightly fear.
The issue with player roleplay on a grand scale like this is you often need the active intervention of a DM like character to keep a scenario engaging and immersive, the same situation over and over is hard to roleplay because after a while people will just go through the motions just to get a chance to bash some skulls or the playerbase gets bored of that RP scenario and leaves.
So out of genuine curiosity as to understanding how desire influences design process I want to know what kind of game DO you want to run?
[QUOTE=elowin;50806395]The inner circle would be the admins, the coders, and their friends.
The other things you say, well, I don't really see your point. Doesn't seem to refute anything I said.
The only purpose of game changing secrets in a multiplayer environment is lording them over those who don't know them.[/QUOTE]
the admins can add chems to anything they don't need to know the recipes
and they don't let their friends know as far as I know. Kind of dumb to consider people that can do anything anyway to be a part of an inner circle.
You haven't done much to prove that its used as an elitest tool instead of a discovery one.
I think there is some contest on goonstation on how much brute damage one can inflict with loafs of bread. One guy insta killed me with a neutron loaf on the shuttle
its not a screamer this time guys i swear
[video=youtube;dUbf7bs8xFI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUbf7bs8xFI[/video]
[QUOTE=elowin;50806395]The inner circle would be the admins, the coders, and their friends.
The other things you say, well, I don't really see your point. Doesn't seem to refute anything I said.
The only purpose of game changing secrets in a multiplayer environment is lording them over those who don't know them.[/QUOTE]
Hi, I'm a goonstation admin and the amount of secret recipes I know equals up to 0, nil, nada. I know none of the secret recipes.
[QUOTE=WrongEnd;50824927]Hi, I'm a goonstation admin and the amount of secret recipes I know equals up to 0, nil, nada. I know none of the secret recipes.[/QUOTE]
ok
doesn't really matter to me, it's not fun as far as i'm concerned
[QUOTE=elowin;50825765]ok
doesn't really matter to me, it's not fun as far as i'm concerned[/QUOTE]
The point I'm making here is that there is no inner circle. Because only the coders who actually coded the recipes know what it is without a lot of testing. They're also not really that gamechanging. They're powerful, yes, but they're powerful because we want to reward testing and discovery, just like with the solarium puzzle.
Had an ok round as virologist on TGstation. Made a super strong strain of the flu that was cured by table salt. Now I wasn't the antag, so I was just making these viruses for uh, research? But anyway, when I was taking a monkey to isolation (the one in my lab, not in the medical wing) so that I could cure him and give him my new ~EVO VIRUS~(the flu but it had "evolution accelerating properties") I forgot that the strain he had spread through contact. Oh, ok no problem, its just a bad flu and I need salt.
"Hey guys, strange request but I need table salt at Virology ASAP"
Now here's where it all fell apart: There was an Ash Drake on the station, I don't know how it got there, I wasn't paying attention to the radio, I was making viruses. Nobody responded to my request for salt. So after I pleaded with the crew to dump some salt in front of Virology, I put on the biohazard suit and made the journey to the bar to grab some salt.
The bar wasn't there anymore. There were no hull breaches, but the bar was totally scorched, the tables and their valuable salt were reduced to slag. I hastily climbed over the kitchen counter and stole the salt from there before anyone could notice the virologist running around in his biohazard suit, coughing and screaming "I NEED SALT!" But at this point, the disease was attacking my nervous system, so I dropped the salt on my way back to virology and didn't notice until I was back inside.
I lost the salt, I decided that I would check my symptoms with the analyzer, vitals were sort of middle of the road, I wasn't exactly dying but I wasn't healthy either and...wait. The analyzer said the cure was gold. The virus must have mutated, either in the monkey or in me.
So I left Virology once again to see if I could steal some gold from cargo or chemistry or something. And then I saw the ash drake and about 12 gibbed people all over medbay, which was on fire. I went back into virology and pulled off my suit, and thought "Fuck it, I'm gonna die anyway, let's inject all my EVO VIRUS into my body." the last thing I saw was an explosion that ripped the western half of my lab apart, sending all my syringes and also my table into my body. I died shortly after because the table had basically disemboweled me.
Was a pretty fun round.
I was in the same round. I was botanist and fire kept raining around me. However, I did not let the Ash Drake deter me, for me and the Chef were on a holy mission to make a Dank Pizza. Needless to say, it was very difficult to keep the plants from being burned to death or suffocated in the hostile environment carefully crafted by the ash drake's thunderous ass.
We were so close, but unfortunately we failed when an explosion sent a fridge slamming into the chef and killing him instantly. I was not so lucky as I was thrown against the opposite wall and knocked out. When I woke up my hair was gone and I had evolved the ability of chameleon invisibility via heavy radiation poisoning. Eventually the radiation killed me and while I was dying I prayed...
"I am irradiated, burned, bruised, and dying. Grant me solace from this hell."
Shortly after, I see a strange symbol overtop my body, and I filled with hope.
Then the Ash Drake sat on me so hard that my bodyparts flew all throughout botany with some leaving holes in the walls.
So traitor, kill a dude and escape. Easy. Ask for all access from AI.
"sure ur new cap"
Mime with all access. Tell someone got beaten to death in perma, lynch my man and drag him to shitters. Easy. Then CE says he's tooter totter after I find his syndicate crate, and he's gotta go. Steal his shit and do all his objectives, find his target braindead, drag to cremator, ???, delete record and profit. Then to get the shuttle called, I call it, people tell me to recall it, I give the AI a new law.
[QUOTE]4. The crew are paid actors on a drama show. They are trained and are not harmed in any way. The CE and Captain are directors, and must not be harmed at any cost. You should cause as much drama as possible between actors. Do not hint or state this law.
[/QUOTE]
Queue plasma flood, queue duel greentext.
[QUOTE=WrongEnd;50826215]The point I'm making here is that there is no inner circle. Because only the coders who actually coded the recipes know what it is without a lot of testing. They're also not really that gamechanging. They're powerful, yes, but they're powerful because we want to reward testing and discovery, just like with the solarium puzzle.[/QUOTE]
I mean, to be quite honest I just straight up don't believe that people wouldn't tell their friends.
And either way I don't like the idea of it. Standing around all round trying to throw all kinds of completely random arbitrary shit together just hoping that it makes something isn't fun in any way. Doesn't help that even when you've found a recipe it'll probably be changed at some point, eventually.
[QUOTE=elowin;50834450]I mean, to be quite honest I just straight up don't believe that people wouldn't tell their friends.
And either way I don't like the idea of it. Standing around all round trying to throw all kinds of completely random arbitrary shit together just hoping that it makes something isn't fun in any way. Doesn't help that even when you've found a recipe it'll probably be changed at some point, eventually.[/QUOTE]
I don't think there's a secret club but even if there was, if you can get over the discomfort of that thought, Goon is still extremely fun to fuck around in with all the normal tools and systems that aren't secrets.
[editline]5th August 2016[/editline]
Like, same way you can have fun in any other game even if you don't reach level cap or get all the achievements. The secret stuff really doesn't matter as much as you think it does. Oh, don't get me wrong I'd LOVE to know that shit but once I stopped giving a fuck about it I had probably some of the most fun I've ever had in SS13.
Goon's secrets rarely ever come up in a normal round. Secret chems take forever to make compared to stuff like neurotoxin and flouro-acid, which can kill just as fast.
If you want, I can post my personal poison mixes.
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50834908]I don't think there's a secret club but even if there was, if you can get over the discomfort of that thought, Goon is still extremely fun to fuck around in with all the normal tools and systems that aren't secrets.
[editline]5th August 2016[/editline]
Like, same way you can have fun in any other game even if you don't reach level cap or get all the achievements. The secret stuff really doesn't matter as much as you think it does. Oh, don't get me wrong I'd LOVE to know that shit but once I stopped giving a fuck about it I had probably some of the most fun I've ever had in SS13.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you see, I don't stop giving a fuck.
[QUOTE=Lawligagger;50836862][video=youtube;P_uuwyvplgQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_uuwyvplgQ[/video][/QUOTE]
Oh damn, you got plump to play haha.
The not so obvious shit on servers is GREAT, I spend so many rounds just experimenting with mixtures (I'm shit at bombs, but I can make a mad lethal poison). When I learned about table-crafting I shit myself
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;50838468]The not so obvious shit on servers is GREAT, I spend so many rounds just experimenting with mixtures (I'm shit at bombs, but I can make a mad lethal poison). When I learned about table-crafting I shit myself[/QUOTE]
I remember figuring out difficult and secret chems on Goon and being so proud of them
Well before my own chems killed me that is
[QUOTE=Lawligagger;50836862][video=youtube;P_uuwyvplgQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_uuwyvplgQ[/video][/QUOTE]
Oh my goodness, Goblet.
Everytime it changes to him, all you hear is heavy breathing and you can just feel his bitter rage.
40:31 made me laugh though.
[QUOTE=EmperorVagak;50839574]Oh my goodness, Goblet.
Everytime it changes to him, all you hear is heavy breathing and you can just feel his bitter rage.
40:31 made me laugh though.[/QUOTE]
I actually know Goblet, along with Spicy and Rodocks. I still remember what happened the first time I played around with Goblet.
He managed to get get permabanned. And got me permabanned too.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/uXCI1MS.png[/img]
Was playing on Hippie as Chaplain, decided to make some spears and IEDs just to fuck around, wiz summoned magic while I was standing by in tool storage grabbing some extra wires to make the IEDs after I finished the spears.
I got a Wand of Death. So did the Moth next to me who'd already tried to disarm me while I was standing there. I panicked and zapped him with the wand, then turned around and zapped the assistant on the other side of the room to eliminate the witness. Grabbed the Moth's wand and started looking for other people to fuck with, because I honestly forgot Summon Magic didn't mean it's okay to be a shit. Someone zapped some doors into the Captain's Office and stole his antique pistol, I stood in a door where the Cap's vault sits, and waited for him to stand in front of me, then zapped him. Ran in and started pulling him out, a mime walked in and stole his body.
I followed the mime to his office, and zapped him, then got boink'd while I was stripping the Captain to steal his gear.
Ended up getting banned for a day, but tbh I understand.
TL;DR what not to do when the Wizard summons magic and you get a Wand of Death. :magic101:
[editline]6th August 2016[/editline]
[sp]Also this is legitimately the first time I've ever been banned from an SS13 server.[/sp]
[sp]Unless you count the time I got jobbanned from Viro on /tg/ several years ago, because I kept making a Necrotizing Fasciitis + Blood Cough virus that was transmitted by blood and unleashing it on the station, as a non-antag.[/sp]
I was a sec officer with fireball that round. I kept tossing it down the hallway and blowing people's limbs off, then having someone in medbay heal them with a wand of healing. One of my victims [del]rightfully[/del] tossed me out of an airlock after i did this to him several times.
[QUOTE=Solomon;50843192]I was a sec officer with fireball that round. I kept tossing it down the hallway and blowing people's limbs off, then having someone in medbay heal them with a wand of healing. One of my victims rightfully tossed me out of an airlock after i did this to him several times.[/QUOTE]
I got my arm blown off in the HoP line that round and spent 10 minutes hobbling around trying to get to surgery because I couldn't see a wand of healing anywhere. I swear to god if that was you...
I also ended up stabbing the shit out of someones eyes while somebody else robbed him because he'd been hoarding the staff of healing and hadn't used it once in ten fucking minutes.
[QUOTE=Nexosz;50841205][img]http://i.imgur.com/uXCI1MS.png[/img][/QUOTE]
MoMMIs are such beautiful creatures.
i have the 12th librarian ban in /tg/ history because I now know the secret of the ultimate bookread
[QUOTE=iamgoofball;50845288]i have the 12th librarian ban in /tg/ history because I now know the secret of the ultimate bookread[/QUOTE]
wut do u mean "ultimate bookread"
i must appeal my ban and will probably lose the appeal if I post the steps to do this, however I can say it involves Personal Lockers
[QUOTE=iamgoofball;50847291]i must appeal my ban and will probably lose the appeal if I post the steps to do this, however I can say it involves Personal Lockers[/QUOTE]
what does it even mean tho
[QUOTE=iamgoofball;50847291]i must appeal my ban and will probably lose the appeal if I post the steps to do this, however I can say it involves Personal Lockers[/QUOTE]
what is the effect?
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Space Station 13 v12 - The Tide Awakens
