The Elder Scrolls Megathread XX: Might as well be XXX
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[QUOTE=jonu67;52924249]I mean even when he [I]knew[/I] he was loosing his power he didn't attempt to prevent the meteor from falling with what little godlike power he had left, he's a douche, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
Vivec was/is only a chimer albeit a powerful one, however the moon was thrown at Morrowind by an actual god, so he couldn't stop the moon all he could do was pause it in place.
Moral of the story, don't get cocky with Deadra
[QUOTE=SpearmintSheep;52926763]Vivec was/is only a chimer albeit a powerful one, however the moon was thrown at Morrowind by an actual god, so he couldn't stop the moon all he could do was pause it in place.
Moral of the story, don't get cocky with Deadra[/QUOTE]
I mean, didn't he stop it and let it stay like that because he was both extremely cocky and it was a good way of keeping the people under him in line believing that he was the almighty (or he'll drop a fucking meteor on you)
I don't remember it ever being stated that he didn't stop it completely because he wasn't powerful enough, like he practically had a extremely minute portion of an Aedras power within him, he probably could have stopped it, it's not like Sheogorath was constantly pushing it down under his own power.
worth noting about Vivec: he loves his people, really and truly; but he believes in hard love
he knew the Tribunal could not last forever, and that the Dunmer would have to move on and adapt; so he left Baar Dau to drop on them as a little going away present
by surviving the Red Year it triggered, the Dunmer became stronger (remember that they're a survivalist culture, all about survival of the fittest)
of course he's a self-professed liar so he could also just be a omnipotent douchebag
[QUOTE=_charon;52926885]the Dunmer became stronger (remember that they're a survivalist culture, all about survival of the fittest)[/QUOTE]
Did they though? honestly, as positions go, allowing Baar Dau to drop on Morrowind has more or less weakened the position of the Dunmer, not strengthened it, they are a scattered people, the lands they have left are being invaded, they don't really seem any stronger for it.
[QUOTE=_charon;52926885]he could also just be a omnipotent douchebag[/QUOTE]
That's the most likely case yes.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52926901]Did they though? honestly, as positions go, allowing Baar Dau to drop on Morrowind has more or less weakened the position of the Dunmer, not strengthened it.
Even as a people they don't really seem any stronger for it.[/QUOTE]
they're still recovering, but their culture has always been about overcoming the odds and coming out on top no matter the circumstances
by forcing yet another cataclysm down their throats they're kept ready for the next one
[QUOTE=_charon;52926905]they're still recovering, but their culture has always been about overcoming the odds and coming out on top no matter the circumstances
by forcing yet another cataclysm down their throats they're kept ready for the next one[/QUOTE]
In any case, it still seems like a massively assholish thing to do on his part.
While the dude himself did say
"I shall keep it there with its last intention intact, so that if the love of the people of this city for me ever disappear, so shall the power that holds back their destruction"
It's probable he was bullshitting. He knew he couldn't stop it so he did what any good politician does and spin a yarn, and what better way to show the Dunmer that the tribunal is indeed more powerful then any true Deadra then to have a moon hovering overhead
Even if he did want to move it by the end of the third game it was to late as his connection the heart was severed and his power had been on the down and out for half an era already
Plus I soul trapped and then turned him into crusty underpants same as any one... right?
[QUOTE=jonu67;52926909]In any case, it still seems like a massively assholish thing to do on his part.[/QUOTE]
yeah, no doubt
vivec is an asshole, but a justified asshole, typically
[QUOTE=_charon;52926930]yeah, no doubt
vivec is an asshole, but a justified asshole, typically[/QUOTE]
Hell no he murdered my boy Nerevar...
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... Da fuq?
[QUOTE=SpearmintSheep;52926940]Hell no he murdered my boy Nerevar...
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... Da fuq?[/QUOTE]
I mean, if he hadn't done that, there wouldn't be a Tribunal to save the Dunmer's ass from the Nords, the Akaviri invasions, and keep the Empire at bay.
Also what actually happened is up for debate, he may not have done the killing (though he probably did)
It was a dick move to get rid of Vardenfell.
Honestly, I was hoping that Skyrim would be as unique as morrowind, but all they've got is blackreach, which looks nice, but really generic as far as underground mystery lands go.
They could have done all sorts of fun things. And, thinking about it, I think the majority of these things aren't that difficult to do, at least no more difficult than what bethesda did instead. Anyhow, A wish list that'd make skyrim as unique as morrowind:
Skelletons of epic beasts found throughout the land, monuments to struggles with monsters
Grand monthly attacks, where all villagers retreat into the cities and nearby fortifications, awaiting the transformation of great werecreatures and their hunt.
Sky wales, and hunts for them.
A fleshed out nordic pantheon, with the imperial faith regulated to cult status.
Ice warriors/Falmer being a persistent adversary to the nords, constantly planning sneaky attacks and waging war whenever their numbers grow enough, giving rise to a reasonable modern hatred of elves. They enslave monsters from the caves to work for them. Perhaps they bring with them Ice storms to hide in/to scare away villagers so they can take supplies without bloodshed.
Sea monsters and trade ships, engaged in constant battle. Would've been cooler than dragons.
Goblins. Sure, they're generic, but they add much danger, and currently falmer aren't fun/a waste of potential.
Volkihar, as written in Immortal blood. Live under frozen lakes and reach out to drag people under. A secondary vampire clan (something also horrifying and inhuman) would've been good as a a counterpoint. Honestly, I wouldn't mind the inability to be a vampire if they just got the creature right, because the frozen lake shtick just sounds terrifying.
Better architecture. Firstly, with all the monster attacks, town defences should be constantly maintained, not like the ruins of whiterun. Dwemer ruins look like they had an identity crisis and were almost nord ruins until a last minute retexture. Architecture in general is a huge step up from oblivion, but It doesn't have the interestingness of morrowind, and I think a lot of assets were wasted because they were only used once.
I think it would've been cool as fuck if they made the two bandoleers type things that form a cross, found on all the nordic light armours, some kind of important cultural thing. To rationalise a lot of nordic armours that cover nothing, It'd be cool if they had some kind of "you wear this on great trials to prove yourself, you're a nord so no need to fear the cold, and you're not yet worthy of armour"
Fellows who speak giant and deal with them somewhat regularly. Because giants are chill dudes, but they're using up what could be farmland, and have monopolized the mammoths, Yet the nords haven't tried to slaughter them all, so surely they've worked something out? (also, a prior game had Giantish as something you could learn, useless as it was)
Also every guild was both tiny and with a stupid, forgettable story (DB was just [I]fine[/I]) and I'd probably have been happier if they just put franchises/safe houses for radiant quests in every city, and then made the radiant quest system better.
An emphasis on Spears to hunt huge monsters would've been cool. In general, "the hunt" and man's warfare with the land would've been a great central theme for skyrim. Like bloodmoon, hircine would've made a better enemy(or ally?) than alduin.
Ah shit, I've ranted about my fantasies again.
Internment camps for all those dirty elves. We were so close Ulfric. SO CLOSE.
are there any good elder scrolls lore vids?
been doing a lot of reading in morrowind so im curious if there are any good videos i could pop on while writing papers or something
[QUOTE=bdd458;52927122]are there any good elder scrolls lore vids?
been doing a lot of reading in morrowind so im curious if there are any good videos i could pop on while writing papers or something[/QUOTE]
not for deep lore shit, no
Shoddycast did some but I never got around to watching them
there's also the Selectives Lorecasts that Kirkbride himself has done but i've never watched one and cannot speak for whatever they may contain
edit: there was a channel somewhere that did readings of lorebooks IIRC
i forget the name, however
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;52927062]Internment camps for all those dirty elves. We were so close Ulfric. SO CLOSE.[/QUOTE]
Hah, using the Thalmor puppet as your figurehead for elf extermination.
Real Elf Exterminators venerate Pelinal only.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;52927161]Hah, using the Thalmor puppet as your figurehead for elf extermination.
Real Elf Exterminators venerate Pelinal only.[/QUOTE]
But he dead
Also I don't get the Ulfric meme, I know the Thalmor helped out Ulfric and let him out, and they support Ulfric's rebellion but only for as long as it's a rebellion?
Him actually winning, beating the Empire is not what they want, they just want him to be a distraction. It says so in the dossier book thingie.
so the dwarves all disappeared into the numidium right?
We should just bow down and except elven dominion.
They are clearly the master race, after all, all our strong nord women seek their elven alpha males.
How can I, a weak beta Nord ever stand up to their perfect yellow skin and their HUGE [del]di[/del]Mana bars.
[QUOTE=milktree;52927329]so the dwarves all disappeared into the numidium right?[/QUOTE]
I mean, we don't really know where they went, for all we know they were erased from history, or teleported into the future, or turned into a pile of hats.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52927375]I mean, we don't really know where they went, for all we know they were erased from history, or teleported into the future, or turned into a pile of hats.[/QUOTE]
I thought c0da explicitly said they were absorbed into the numidium
[QUOTE=milktree;52927392]I thought c0da explicitly said they were absorbed into the numidium[/QUOTE]
Isn't C0da fanfiction?
I like to imagine Vivec as the kind of person who doesn't think too hard about his actions but has the speech skills to justify whatever he does retroactively, no matter how pants-on-head retarded or meaningless his actions actually were. Fools people into thinking he's a next-level philosopher when the reality is that he just doesn't give a shit.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52927406]Isn't C0da fanfiction?[/QUOTE]
c0da is out-of-game lore written by an official writer under unofficial cirumstances, with part of the premise being that you can do whatever you want with the canon
in kirkbride's words:
[QUOTE]Tamriel never belonged to Bethesda. It was the other way around.
As for canon, it’s really all interactive fiction, and that should mean something to everyone. That said, I appreciate and understand the stamp of “official”, but I think it will hurt more that it will help in the long run.
TES should be Open Source. It is for me.[/QUOTE]
if tes is open source does that mean i can alter it to run doom within the very earthbones themselves?
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52927442]if tes is open source does that mean i can alter it to run doom within the very earthbones themselves?[/QUOTE]
What do you think Sotha Sil was doing?
[QUOTE=_charon;52927435]c0da is out-of-game lore written by an official writer under unofficial cirumstances, with part of the premise being that you can do whatever you want with the canon
in kirkbride's words:[/QUOTE]
So yeah fanfiction, that's like, quite literally the definition of fanfiction.
Eh i stick with Kirkbride's stuff as Bethesda keeps turning all its existing lore into generic fantasy or worse.
[QUOTE=_charon;52927448]What do you think Sotha Sil was doing?[/QUOTE]
trying to creat the perfect robo-waifu?
[QUOTE=jonu67;52927455]So yeah fanfiction, that's like, quite literally the definition of fanfiction.[/QUOTE]
Fanfiction generally isn't written by the actual creator of the universe.
[QUOTE=vamper;52927485]Eh i stick with Kirkbride's stuff as Bethesda keeps turning all its existing lore into generic fantasy or worse.[/QUOTE]
This is too fucking true, in my eyes. Kirkbride's bullshit was just about the only creativity that Bethesda had at their disposal, and it shows.
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