[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51729279]I stopped reading around here[/QUOTE]
But he does do that.
The only heroes he currently cannot one shot are D.Va, Hog, Winston, Reinhardt
D.Va and Winston are not a threat to him.
He out ranges reinhardt, and Reinhardt has to fight inside his zone where he doesnt need the hook
So then...I guess thats just himself.
cool we have a 3rd ana.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;51729213]i swear, the roadhog hate never ends.
people will literally only be happy if he becomes a complete trash tier hero like what would've happened with his initial ''fix''[/QUOTE]
Roadhog mains are literally worse than Hanzo/Widow mains in terms of whining.
All i want is the roadhog highlight intro
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;51729293]I really don't get this logic. If you, or your team have to be dumb in order for roadhog to hook you how could he possibly be viable at a high let alone pro level?
Because as far as I see it, if everyone knows what they're doing who wins come down to
1. Guessing what the enemy team is going to do
2. Having a physiological edge; IE faster reaction time.
And secondly what about every single other burst damage hero in the game except maybe Widow?
Positioning is infinitely more important for Reaper and Mcree yet they in terms of ability to get instant kills is fucking garbo compared to Hog.[/QUOTE]
i play about as much reaper as roadhog and i can't agree, it's completely different
reaper can stay in an area getting kills or at least dealing a lot of damage for a while without giving up his position since you can heal yourself when you get kills and have an escape option if you're about to die, roadhog is fucking massive, needs to completely stop to heal himself, and can't deal out huge damage consistently the way reaper can (since the hook has a cooldown and all) and also has no mobility options at all, there's really no comparison
as for mccree i find playing him at all to be a total waste of time since everything he does is done better by every comparable hero
[QUOTE=Killajax;51729337]Roadhog mains are literally worse than Hanzo/Widow mains in terms of whining.[/QUOTE]
I swear I hear more of an uproar from Roadhog mains when they mess with him then from Genji mains when Genji got fixed.
And then they get mad when you point out that it seems kinda unfair how he can instakill every 6 seconds.
A lot of them cried for days when Hook 2.0 came out
and it ended up being a huge buff.
if only d.va mains could manage that.
Speaking of D.va. People celebrated when D.va got nerfed to being weaker then a peice of paper. But they better not touch Roadhog unless it's a buff!!!
Roadhog is overpowered as fuck and everyone knows it
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51729440]Roadhog is overpowered as fuck and everyone knows it[/QUOTE]
A rather convincing argument if I've ever seen one
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;51729438]Speaking of D.va. People celebrated when D.va got nerfed to being weaker then a peice of paper. But they better not touch Roadhog unless it's a buff!!![/QUOTE]
While I agree D.Va is fucking dead.
Bnet forums are actually turning on Hog pretty hard now.
[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51729445]A rather convincing argument if I've ever seen one[/QUOTE]
Why are you talking? You haven't said shit all you've done is be a smug ass and go "Yeah I stopped reading here"
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;51729401]i play about as much reaper as roadhog and i can't agree, it's completely different
reaper can stay in an area getting kills or at least dealing a lot of damage for a while without giving up his position since you can heal yourself when you get kills and have an escape option if you're about to die, roadhog is fucking massive, needs to completely stop to heal himself, and can't deal out huge damage consistently the way reaper can (since the hook has a cooldown and all) and also has no mobility options at all, there's really no comparison
as for mccree i find playing him at all to be a total waste of time since everything he does is done better by every comparable hero[/QUOTE]
Just want to point out that you can initiate the heal mid-jump and it'll almost be done by the time you land, stoppage is minimum
Anyway, even if you completely removed the hook from him entirely he would still be fairly playable, his shotgun is quite powerful even at a small range because of the secondary fire, and at very short range it's absolutely devastating. Would be quite boring to play as, though.
Pretty much all that anyone is asking for is to make him actually dependent on his team to deal with targets he hooks instead of simply instantly killing them himself.
The problem with Roadhog is that he has just one tool and if you nerf that one tool then he is useless. They should just rework him into something else.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51729529]The problem with Roadhog is that he has just one tool and if you nerf that one tool then he is useless. They should just rework him into something else.[/QUOTE]
Also if he fucks up with that one tool then he's useless for another six seconds.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;51729454]Why are you talking? You haven't said shit all you've done is be a smug ass and go "Yeah I stopped reading here"[/QUOTE]
Because, as I said again and again, in this thread we usually pick a single hero per week and then start throw shit at him/her and demand an immediate and absolute nerf.
After the week is over, another takes his/her place and we begin the cycle anew.
Two weeks ago we had Reinhardt Week, for instance. It's kinda the colorful tradition by now
[QUOTE=Scot;51729535]Also if he fucks up with that one tool then he's useless for another six seconds.[/QUOTE]
I think this is also a problem. And it also doesn't make him "ok"
Im going to talk about ripoff game for a minute,
but Paladins actaully did this sort of character better.
Most people only know him as the [url=http://paladins.gamepedia.com/Makoa]"lol roadhog ripoff"[/url], and to be fair he kinda is. But I think his direction is vastly superior.
He cannot oneshot anyone. His combo does a fair ammount of damage but not enough to kill a full hp class in the game. He also only fires a single canon ball instead of a big spread of shotguns, so no more getting fucked by bad RNG.
Instead, he actually has a shield like Winstons, except mobile that lasts for 4 seconds, another ability that allows him to scatter people everywhere. Which frankly would be great in overwatch as a way to destroy death-balling once and for all.
A high utility tank that doesn't make DPS jealous of his insane pick potential. Meanwhile Im willing to bet hooks would still be deadly if teamwork was applied.
I think this sort of character sounds a lot more interesting than
Get hook = Carry god
No hook = Feeding god.
[QUOTE=elowin;51727067]probably Blizzard's biggest mistake with this game was trying to appeal to the competitive crowd in the first place[/QUOTE]
Making a competitive FPS when there's only one other game to compete with was actually a pretty good idea
EDIT: Not to mention well designed competitive games are still enjoyable in casual play anyways
[QUOTE=KnightLight;51727040]Why am I not surprised THIS happened.
TL;DR: Tumblrina says Overwatch is racist because of event, Chinese people totally zing her into oblivion. OP apparently deleted her account after this.
[img]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/214/936/aae.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Look at this racist assuming Ana is muslim
[QUOTE=Altimor;51729556]Making a competitive FPS when there's only one other game to compete with was actually a pretty good idea
EDIT: Not to mention well designed competitive games are still enjoyable in casual play anyway[/QUOTE]
They can be, but that's by no means an universal constant
[QUOTE=elowin;51729632]They can be, but that's by no means an universal constant[/QUOTE]
I can't think of an exception.
tfw I cuck people out of potg as Sombra all the the time now. Feels good.
[editline]26th January 2017[/editline]
Even if the team isn't coordinated you can really help a shitty team do well if you hack everything and make everyone's life tough.
My daily ana complaint:
Anti-heal should not be able to just totally cancel the ally heal buff
and as someone here said before (credit where it's due)
The hero melting me as pharah from across the map should NOT be a support hero
I still think CTF could be a really fun permanent gamemode with some adjustments, but I'd also like to see them try out 1Flag or Bombing Run-style mode, because I feel like it would work [I]way[/I] better. Maybe it's just me but I think the idea of assaulting another base to cap a flag works way better in Overwatch and would really solve the issue of snowball flag captures
[QUOTE=ShimTaco;51729767]The hero melting me as pharah from across the map should NOT be a support hero[/QUOTE]
Zenyatta
Pharah so so bad that I fly up to her and kill her with d.va
it is a very long process but I tend to find I win this encounter.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;51729834]Zenyatta[/QUOTE]
Not hitscan, doesn't have a freaking scope, doesn't heal for as much as Ana, kit is balanced.
Why the comparison?
[QUOTE=Bugga12;51729891]Not hitscan, doesn't have a freaking scope, doesn't heal for as much as Ana, kit is balanced.
Why the comparison?[/QUOTE]
Because he said it shouldn't be a support hero. Zenyatta is a support hero built around doing damage, with healing being more of a side thing. Point being that support =/= dedicated healer, basically. Especially considering Symmetra has no healing at all.
[QUOTE=elowin;51729898]Because he said it shouldn't be a support hero. Zenyatta is a support hero built around doing damage, with healing being more of a side thing. Point being that support =/= dedicated healer, basically. Especially considering Symmetra has no healing at all.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but ana is a good dps and a great healer, with utility in one whole package
I love hook 2.0, I've had it break off a targets a few times from the line of sight thing. It feels alot more fair.
Now what isn't fair is the feeling that I'm somehow able to one shot heroes I wasn't able to before. Reaper, Mei (No real complains here), and Zarya are a few examples of heroes that before I couldn't one shot. I have no idea what it is they did to the new hook, but I think it pulls way to close now.
[QUOTE=Altimor;51729640]I can't think of an exception.[/QUOTE]
Well, I can think of plenty of examples of characters and strategies in various games which are completely accepted by the competitive community, but annoying as shit to play against as a casual player.
Just in the case of Overwatch alone there's plenty. Bastion is an example that comes up fairly often, a lot of casual players find him extremely annoying to play against, but competitively he's considered trash. I personally think Mei and Widowmaker are extremely annoying, but as far as I'm aware neither are considered especially overpowered competitively.
Yeah, I play a fair amount of Roadhog and I like that his hook is more consistent now, but I really don't think he should be one-shotting anything more than squishies.
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