Overwatch - It's Actually a Trick To Make Everyone Play HotS, also BUY
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Apparently comp is the new quick play. We could have easily won a defense if we just brought a damn healer.
-snip, I got ninjad-
So after being placed in silver for the past 2 seasons falling from 1918 down to 1400 then climinbg to 1600's
this season im starting off in bronze....
I have 27% win percent as soldier now...
Why does blizzard feel the need to put me with bad players? I belong in diamond / master mmr and I'm getting shafted with bad teams. Hoping this gets better after placements.
I started off season 4 at 900
I climbed back up to 1700 but it took an impossible-to-replicate winstreak
with other people saying they're ranking weirdly low i'm afraid i'm gonna end up at the bottom of the barrel again
Why did Hog need a nerf in the first place? Most games had D.Va or single tank triple DPS comps instead of Hog this season.
EDIT: Or rather last season
Friend rocked her placements almost. She was kicking everyone's ass and carrying pretty hard, won 5 of her placements, and a 6th was a draw
Still only placed in 1300's Bronze
Yet another friend fucked his placements up. Won 3 total, Lost 6, he got placed in Gold
Makes no sense
[QUOTE=TheTalon;52299993]Friend rocked her placements almost. She was kicking everyone's ass and carrying, won 5 of her placements, and a 6th was a draw
Still only placed in 1300's Bronze
Yet another friend fucked his placements up. Won 3 total, Lost 6, he got placed in Gold
Makes no sense[/QUOTE]
I think it's pre-determined, because I got 2903 despite on a 4-6
I find it great being able to tell if people are a roadhog main or not within the first sentence
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52300001]I find it great being able to tell if people are a roadhog main or not within the first sentence[/QUOTE]
Like how I was a Genji main back when he got nerfed?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/bwwRCxH.jpg[/t]
i think it's unfair to claim people main a hero just because they're concerned about changes to a character
you don't have to play a character frequently to have opinions about the balance of that character, and by frequently i mean main it
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52300001]I find it great being able to tell if people are a roadhog main or not within the first sentence[/QUOTE]
That works for every character since McCree Flash/Fan combo and Hi-Rez.
People can agree/disagree with changes without necessarily maining the character or its counters though.
[QUOTE=Altimor;52300013]Like how I was a Genji main back when he got nerfed?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/bwwRCxH.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
you did think that he was going to be E tier after those nerfs though
i guess highlighting that until a hero has been thoroughly tested, statements on numbers are pretty inaccurate imo
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52300060]you did think that he was going to be E tier after those nerfs though
i guess highlighting that until a hero has been thoroughly tested, statements on numbers are pretty inaccurate imo[/QUOTE]
The discord nerf and Ana buff did take us from dive meta to tank meta where Genji was D tier.
EDIT: I didn't say it was Genji's nerfs alone that would do it. Nerfing Genji was just pointless because he was never the problem in the first place, it was the busted 1.5x discord that made him top tier.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52300001]I find it great being able to tell if people are a roadhog main or not within the first sentence[/QUOTE]
And I find it great being able to tell if some people are bad at dealing with Roadhog within their reaction to another nerf.
I love how Roadhog mains always seem to forget that they are able to one-hit kill combo 17 heroes out of 24. How is that balanced in anyway.
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300082]I love how Roadhog mains always seem to forget that they are able to one-hit kill combo 17 heroes out of 24. How is that balanced in anyway.[/QUOTE]
Because it has a cooldown, can be prevented by multiple heroes even after the hook hits, and Hog can be killed easily if he's caught out without his hook as long as you don't stand exactly at right click distance.
[QUOTE=Altimor;52300069]The discord nerf and Ana buff did take us from dive meta to tank meta where Genji was D tier.
EDIT: I didn't say it was Genji's nerfs alone that would do it. Nerfing Genji was just pointless because he was never the problem in the first place, it was the busted 1.5x discord that made him top tier.[/QUOTE]
genji's pickrate in the two months after the update didn't change according to overbuff or tempo-storm, he was still getting picked at C-tier
i only remember it because you made this incredibly smug post about it
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1530888&p=50908303&viewfull=1#post50908303[/url]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52300100]genji's pickrate in the two months after the update didn't change according to overbuff or tempo-storm, he was still getting picked at C-tier
i only remember it because you made this incredibly smug post about it
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1530888&p=50908303&viewfull=1#post50908303[/url][/QUOTE]
Because it took time for the tank meta to become standard.
[QUOTE=Altimor;52300098]Because it has a cooldown, can be prevented by multiple heroes even after the hook hits, and Hog can be killed easily if he's caught out without his hook as long as you don't stand exactly at right click distance.[/QUOTE]
A 8 second cool down is no excuse to being able to 1 hit kill combo a huge chunk of the heroes while having the ability to heal him self rather frequently.
Roadhog shouldn't be a counte pick to 17 heroes.
[QUOTE=Altimor;52300118]Because it took time for the tank meta to become standard.[/QUOTE]
even during the tank meta, genji wasn't f tier
he was one of the few DPS at that point seeing some play - the lowest he went was D-tier and even then he was the highest played D tier hero
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300132]A 6 second cool down is no excuse to being able to 1 hit kill combo a huge chunk of the heroes while having the ability to heal him self rather frequently.
Roadhog shouldn't be a counter to 17 heroes.[/QUOTE]
It's 8 seconds now and again, many heroes can prevent the hook. Anyone with a barrier stops it from hitting in the first place. Zarya, D.Va, and Mei can easily shield you from the followup, any boop can knock the Hog away, and stuns can prevent it too. Reaper, Genji, and Tracer can also just use their own mobility/invuln skills to avoid it.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52300146]even during the tank meta, genji wasn't f tier[/QUOTE]
D tier is close enough, I blame Shadowburn
Problem with genji is that his ult 2 hits almost any hero and he gains his dash back after each kill making him incredibly mobile while doing way too much damage to be able to react without getting a constant stream of heals. Combined with his tiny hitbox he's a very annoying character either way you split it.
There are many things that he gets away with that he shouldn't. For example, you should be able to melee through his reflect (at the very least, Rein should be able to smash thru his reflect). Plus the reflect box is way too large. Regaining dash should be on genji kills only, not assisted elims. So genji needs to actually get the kill to regain his dash (or maybe, at least, do 75% of the damage), rather than getting a free dash on a random shuriken hit while your team does the rest of the work.
[editline]1st June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Altimor;52300149]It's 8 seconds now and again, many heroes can prevent the hook. Anyone with a barrier stops it from hitting in the first place. Zarya, D.Va, and Mei can easily shield you from the followup, any boop can knock the Hog away, and stuns can prevent it too. Reaper, Genji, and Tracer can also just use their own mobility/invuln skills to avoid it.
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As someone who played a lot of hog, I can guarantee you that it's a lot easier said than done.
If there is a dva? Target the dva. Is there a Zarya? Target her. A good hog will kill his counters way before they're able to use their abilities to hinder your hooks. Add in a mercy boost or discord, and you can one hit the zarya.
from what im reading most people who are okay with roadhog's changes are just blinded by a strong disliking for the character. you're not thinking for the health of the game, you're just thinking from the perspective of someone who doesn't like roadhog. from that video that was just posted, roadhog doesn't even do half of the squishiest hero's health pool, and if you think that's okay you're insane
genji is fine
back before that september 1st patch though dragonblade lasted longer than fucking tranquility and it was a total joke
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300132]A 6 second cool down is no excuse to being able to 1 hit kill combo a huge chunk of the heroes while having the ability to heal him self rather frequently.
Roadhog shouldn't be a counter to 17 heroes.[/QUOTE]
1. His hook is 8s cd so any semi-decent Zarya denies his picks.
2. If as 200hp hero you try to 1v1 Hog with his hook ready - you deserve to get combo'd.
3. His self heal makes him completely stationary - 2 easy headshots as McCree, one burst with Tracer or ~10 bullets from S76.
I mostly play Zen aka glorified hook magnet and Hog is more like a free ult charge most of the time. His only chances to take me down is by surprise or really lucky right click.
[IMG]https://my.mixtape.moe/pcjgna.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Keychain;52300160]from what im reading most people who are okay with roadhog's changes are just blinded by a strong disliking for the character. you're not thinking for the health of the game, you're just thinking from the perspective of someone who doesn't like roadhog. from that video that was just posted, roadhog doesn't even do half of the squishiest hero's health pool, and if you think that's okay you're insane[/QUOTE]
If you think it's ok for Roadhog to 1-hit kill combo 17 heroes without even trying you are the insane one.
I haven't kept up with the hero release schedule, but does Blizzard intend to add new heroes in the middlve of competitive seasons?
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