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[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300183]If you think it's ok for Roadhog to 1-hit kill combo 17 heroes without even trying you are the insane one.[/QUOTE] you keep repeating the same argument over and over again despite the fact people have already countered that argument by saying that there are plenty of ways to counter roadhog being able to "1-hit kill combo 17 heroes" and completely ignoring the fact that [I][B]he doesn't even do half of zenyatta's health. [/B][/I]

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300183]If you think it's ok for Roadhog to 1-hit kill combo 17 heroes without even trying you are the insane one.[/QUOTE] I just don't see what role Roadhog fills at this point. He has no mobility, he can't block damage, all he had going for him was his ability to get picks and function as a kind of fat DPS. I mean if you don't like the hook combo, fair enough, but he needs something to make up for it. Now he has lower burst damage and lower DPS, whilst still being as much of an ult battery as he was before. By all means rework Roadhog if you don't want these kind of mechanics in the game, but don't just render him pointless.

[QUOTE=Keychain;52300218][B]you keep repeating the same argument over and over[/B] again despite the fact people have already countered that argument by saying that there are plenty of ways to counter roadhog being able to "1-hit kill combo 17 heroes" and completely ignoring the fact that [I][B]he doesn't even do half of zenyatta's health. [/B][/I][/QUOTE] Because that is the bullshit part about him? Just seems like the counter argument is "just block it" which has been said before is easier said then done.

a lot of heroes are capable of doing really absurd stuff. does that mean we should nerf all of them so they they'll never be capable of doing those things? capability and executability are two different things

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300183]If you think it's ok for Roadhog to 1-hit kill combo 17 heroes without even trying you are the insane one.[/QUOTE] 17 heros being genji who has an insane amount of mobility + deflect mcree who destroys hog pharrah who's in the air 23/7 reaper who has fart gas soldier 76 who should be at a distance from roadhog sombra who has invis and relocate tracer who teleports hanzo who can instakill a tank with scattershot footfetish + should be at a distance junkrat who can annoy the shit out of hog by displacing him everywhere with his remote bomb and do damage at a distance mei which can dance around a hog torbjorn who shouldn't even be near a hog widowmaker who shouldn't even be near a hog ana, lucio, mercy, symmetra, zenyatta are the only ones I don't have excuses for. and you know what? that's part of roadhog's job. just like a genji, he should be picking off supports where which in this update they can very easily survive a hook combo if their team is competent (zarya bubble, ana sleepdart, dva barrier)

the roadhog fighting is as intense as a fucking 2016 election debate

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52300263]ana, lucio, mercy, symmetra, zenyatta are the only ones I don't have excuses for.[/QUOTE] and even then, zenyatta and ana are huge counters to roadhog.

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300236]Because that is the bullshit part about him? Just seems like the counter argument is "just block it" which has been said before is easier said then done.[/QUOTE] "just block it" is actually more keypresses than shift + right click or E.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52300263] junkrat who can annoy the shit out of hog by displacing him everywhere with his remote bomb and do damage at a distance[/QUOTE] out of your list of self admitted excuses I find this one the most hilarious I have played both sides of that coin extensively and in most circumstances Roadhog can eat anything Junkrat can throw at him for breakfast and then some

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52300236]Because that is the bullshit part about him? Just seems like the counter argument is "just block it" which has been said before is easier said then done.[/QUOTE] can you please acknowledge the part of my argument where he can't 1-shot the squishiest heroes in the game? are you actually okay with that?

[QUOTE=Nidhogg;52299068] [b]He can still perform the job he was made to do as his overall DPS has largely remained the same due to the trade between damage and firing speed.[/b][/QUOTE] people keep saying this, but it isn't true at all. his damage has been lowered across the board. total damage went from 900 to 750 single shot went from 225 to 150 dps went from 300 to 268

[QUOTE=Keychain;52300307]can you please acknowledge the part of my argument where he can't 1-shot the squishiest heroes in the game? are you actually okay with that?[/QUOTE] you didn't bring that up as an argument, what you brought up was that he can only take less than half of zenyatta's health (and without specifically commenting on how much damage he does to individual heroes personally I'm fine with him not being able to one shot people because as I've previously stated I think that's garbage design in a class based shooter) [editline]e[/editline] why [I]should[/I] he be able to one shot squishies is my question

i just think the same thing for roadhog as i do for resurrect. its just not a fun thing for people to deal with (minus the part where imo i think resurrect isnt a fun mechanic for me to use as mercy, roadhogs probably end up having fun with hook id imagine)

Back to the plat grind. I clearly belong in diamond but I'm back being stuck in the high plat hell where I'm with golds / low plats. Also I 100% believe koth is on a higher pick rate over all the maps. I've played Oasis 3 times, lijang once, and illios once. That's 5 out of 12 games.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52300338] why [I]should[/I] he be able to one shot squishies is my question[/QUOTE] because thats what makes him useful? he already pales in comparison to the likes of zarya and reinhardt, who bring much more to the team. if anything, roadhog kinda needs a complete kit rework. the only way i can really see roadhog being helpful to his teammates directly would be if he was able to hook teammates. giving him the ability to toggle between friendly-only and enemy-only hook variants would be baller as hell.

[QUOTE=Keychain;52300370]because thats what makes him useful? he already pales in comparison to the likes of zarya and reinhardt, who bring much more to the team. if anything, roadhog kinda needs a complete kit rework. the only way i can really see roadhog being helpful to his teammates directly would be if he was able to hook teammates. giving him the ability to toggle between friendly-only and enemy-only hook variants would be baller as hell.[/QUOTE] That I agree with You should be pushing for a kit rework, not returning him to his status quo of unfun garbage

Now they need to get rid of other "cheap" combos. Scatter arrow, Pulse rifle burst+Rockets, Trap+Mine, Flashbang+FtH, Freeze ray+Icicle headshot, Photon barrier+Microwave gun.

[QUOTE=Hammer7;52300387]Now they need to get rid of other "cheap" combos. Scatter arrow, Pulse rifle burst+Rockets, Trap+Mine, Flashbang+FtH, Freeze ray+Icicle headshot, Photon barrier+Microwave gun.[/QUOTE] Only one I agree with here is Scatter Arrow. Namely because it's utilizing a tool in completely the wrong way to for insane damage output. It's like the Demoman from TF2 never getting his 8-shot airburst grenade launcher secondary balanced because the competitive community liked it too much.

[QUOTE=Hammer7;52300387]Now they need to get rid of other "cheap" combos. Scatter arrow, Pulse rifle burst+Rockets, Trap+Mine, Flashbang+FtH, Freeze ray+Icicle headshot, Photon barrier+Microwave gun.[/QUOTE] Really? I don't think Junkrat needs a nerf. If anything the common consensus seems to be that he's too weak and inconsistent to be any use in competitive. I think he needs a rework though. And improved grenade physics cause his grenades physics are terrible

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52300402]Really? I don't think Junkrat needs a nerf. If anything the common consensus seems to be that he's too weak and inconsistent to be any use in competitive. I think he needs a rework though. And improved grenade physics cause his grenades physics are terrible[/QUOTE] A mixture of slightly dropping the damage output of the grenades slightly for increasing their horrifically floaty velocity would help a lot. The slow travel time vs. really fast heroes makes them mostly a spam weapons rather than being used accurately.

I think it'd be an interesting turn if Scatter Arrows did more damage as they travel longer distances/hit more surfaces. Would make it much more useful in indoor areas and as a tool for proper geometric prediction. It'd also be much more of a zoning tool that could work better with the Sonar Arrow by ratting out people hiding in rooms.

tfw you were diamond 2 seasons before.... [url]http://i.imgur.com/uYo7hIP.png[/url] (nsfw)

Is Lucio's wall-ride really inconsistent for anyone else on Hanamura? That wall on the back side after the first point, going from the stone ridge thing to the wooden deck, has dumped me SO many times because it's just all "nah you ain't wallriding here"

insane idea but how about this keep the damage nerf roadhog heal makes it so the next shot deals 25% more damage, duration 3 seconds one shot kill hooks are now well telegraphed and you can go back to one hitting targets

[QUOTE=Hammer7;52300387]"cheap" combos. Trap+Mine[/QUOTE] Hahahahaha.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52300463]insane idea but how about this keep the damage nerf roadhog heal makes it so the next shot deals 25% more damage, duration 3 seconds one shot kill hooks are now well telegraphed and you can go back to one hitting targets[/QUOTE] Maybe not that verbatim, but it's a good concept that he has to sit and huff before outright deleting people. Makes those panic heals while people are slapping his belly way more dangerous after the fact.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52300362]Back to the plat grind. I clearly belong in diamond but I'm back being stuck in the high plat hell where I'm with golds / low plats. Also I 100% believe koth is on a higher pick rate over all the maps. I've played Oasis 3 times, lijang once, and illios once. That's 5 out of 12 games.[/QUOTE] If you 'belonged' in Diamond you'd have been placed there. Don't be salty you're only Plat.

[QUOTE=yellowoboe;52300479]Hahahahaha.[/QUOTE] If you literally can't see a mine sticking out like a sore thumb you deserve being stuck in that combo.

I want a game mode that's just called "Actually Stupid" It's basically mystery heroes but the guns are swapped too. Winston with Tracers guns instead? Sure. Roadhog with Sym's chainsaw? Save him. Bastion with Reapers Shotguns? I guess?!

I'd be fine with changing Roadhog so that he can lay down some decent cover fire while his hook's on c/d (compared to getting 4 shots that take 3 years to pull off, do no damage outside of close-range, and take an extra decade to reload). That said, he should absolutely be able to pick and one-shot characters like Zenyatta, Tracer, and Ana. His entire deal is that he punishes bad positioning; if you have good positioning, you can focus him down easy-peasy (and get an absurd amount of ult charge for your trouble). If you have bad positioning, you'll get hooked and picked off and he'll heal himself like you were never even there. I say this as a Zenyatta main; if you try to fight a Roadhog at close range and get hooked, [i]you have no one to blame but yourself[/i]. It's literally the same thing as when Bastion was considered OP back when the game first launched. The only solution is to work on your positioning and get good. They've already hit him with so many tweaks and nerfs because people just can't wrap their heads around the idea of a character that exploits bad positioning, taking away his ability to one-shot squishier classes (specifically the ones like Tracer and Zenyatta, where positioning is half the job) is super unnecessary. It's like saying "we need to nerf Winston, because he really possesses an unfair advantage over Genji mains", in that that's exactly what he's supposed to do. If you wanna tweak his fire rate, whatever, I'm actually in favor of that, but a successful hook should be a death sentence for anything with 200 hp or less.