Overwatch - It's Actually a Trick To Make Everyone Play HotS, also BUY
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i don't think anyone in this thread has said bait the hook
let's treat getting hooked by roadhog like a disease. there's prevention and then there's a cure
[U]prevention[/U]
having good positioning
picking heroes that can shutdown a roadhog (mcree(?), reaper, ana, hanzo)
picking heroes that have barrier abilities (winston, orisa, reinhart)
picking heroes that annoy or distract roadhog (sombra, tracer, genji)
[U]cure[/U]
getting a teammate to use a dva barrier on you
getting a teammate to use a sleep dart on roadhog
getting a teammate to use junkrat's mine on roadhog
getting a teammate to use zarya's bubble on you
[QUOTE=Hammer7;52302164]Can't kill Lucio and Ana. Takes more than a full mag to bust Orisa's shield.
Yep. We reached the point of no return.
Welcome to BarrierWatch.[/QUOTE]
Because Overwatch is a 1v1 game. Stop bronzeposting.
I keep seeing "positioning" being thrown around. You are all making it sound like good positioning means "Out of Roadhog's sight".
If they just fix the inconsistency with the hook mechanics and guarantee a static value of damage done after each hook/m1 combo to avoid hitbox and distance issues then Roadhog would be okay.
Hooking at different heights than your opponent (low to high, high to low, geometry in the way) or hooking while airborne/moving cause the majority of my janky shots. Also hooking someone directly touching my face as they attempt to circle strafe me consistently causes my shots to miss most of the pellets.
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52302193]I keep seeing "positioning" being thrown around. You are all making it sound like good positioning means "Out of Roadhog's sight".[/QUOTE]
good positing means that you have cover to fall back behind for when a hog approaches, cover including but not limited to
walls
roofs
barriers
other people
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;52302036]Hey Roadhoggers don't flip your shit yet, still possible to OHKO a majority of the cast:
[video=youtube;ON4Buv-1aZ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON4Buv-1aZ8[/video][/QUOTE]
Issue here is that the Roadhog keeps aiming for the player's head, and not their centre of mass.
In my quest to give every character a chance, next up was Hanzo, who only had 4 minutes of playtime thanks to the practice range and random hero
Long story short:
[video=youtube;NJlJtLg4H3g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJlJtLg4H3g[/video]
Non-ult POTG with a keyhole headshot at the end that I got by accident :wideeye:
The whole argument around "you're being punished for bad positioning" is really fucking stupid when you consider that Roadhog has the same mobility as most heroes and is capable of flanking, hence the whole "solo tank" title he crowns. It especially doesn't help that the entire game is built around having really bad choke points and narrow hallways.
I wouldn't mind seeing a mcree flashbang cool down buff. Maybe make it match hook like 8 seconds. Mcrees value comes from his flashbang and i think he should be able to get more use from it
The worst part of the Roadhog nerf is that they didn't nerf Ana alongside him.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;52302340]The whole argument around "you're being punished for bad positioning" is really fucking stupid when you consider that Roadhog has the same mobility as most heroes and is capable of flanking, hence the whole "solo tank" title he crowns. It especially doesn't help that the entire game is built around having really bad choke points and narrow hallways.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Bad positioning is a dumb argument since you have to be a certain range away from him for him to hook you. And most maps are tight choke fests so it's hard to get a good angle on him without exposing yourself
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;52302340]The whole argument around "you're being punished for bad positioning" is really fucking stupid when you consider that Roadhog has the same mobility as most heroes and is capable of flanking, hence the whole "solo tank" title he crowns. It especially doesn't help that the entire game is built around having really bad choke points and narrow hallways.[/QUOTE]
it's not 100% of the time you're being punished for bad positioning. you could do everything right and still get punished because that's how the game and really how life works.
just most of the time when i see people get hooked or when I hook people it's because they're out in the open with no reason to be there. sometimes it's just because they're unlucky.
[editline]1st June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=redBadger;52302375]Agreed. Bad positioning is a dumb argument since you have to be a certain range away from him for him to hook you. And most maps are tight choke fests so it's hard to get a good angle on him without exposing yourself[/QUOTE]
pick reinhart, pick winston, pick orissa. exploit those chokes to your advantage
Overwatch v.X - Monthly roadhog patch argument!
If there is anything I get more annoyed by. It's how defense has become "Just pick every character that has a barrier"
In a game with nothing but chokepoints. It's annoying as all hell. It's gotten to the point where a Sombra is mandatory in QP on attack because there is so many barriers
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52302455]If there is anything I get more annoyed by. It's how defense has become "Just pick every character that has a barrier"
In a game with nothing but chokepoints. It's annoying as all hell. It's gotten to the point where a Sombra is mandatory in QP on attack because there is so many barriers[/QUOTE]
Maybe good buffs to help deal with the barrier spam would be to allow Sombra to hack through barriers and to apply discord orb effect to the targets barriers. So a Rein barrier will be affected by the discord as well.
Or give all projected barriers that aren't Rein's and Winston's some major tweaks
Keep theirs intact because they're an absolutely essential part of their playstyles, but increase the cooldown on Orisa's by a couple seconds so she can't constantly redeploy before it breaks, and make Symetra's traveling barrier move faster.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;52302340]The whole argument around "you're being punished for bad positioning" is really fucking stupid when you consider that Roadhog has the same mobility as most heroes and is capable of flanking, hence the whole "solo tank" title he crowns. It especially doesn't help that the entire game is built around having really bad choke points and narrow hallways.[/QUOTE]
Doubly ironic, considering how often Roadhog himself can come out on top of being horribly positioned.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;52302643]Doubly ironic, considering how often Roadhog himself can come out on top of being horribly positioned.[/QUOTE]
which is why his heal should be nerfed instead of his damage
[QUOTE=Killajax;52302110]I've said this a million times already but Hook has little-to-no counterplay. "Bait the hook" is the most common answer I've seen to this, yet thats literally the equivalent of saying "pray the Roadhog player sucks." Good players won't miss/waste their hook, so at that point what are you supposed to do? Just let him keep getting kills and picks, causing your team to lose?[/QUOTE]
Good players do miss hooks and there were already ways to protect against both the hook itself and the followup.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52302383]just most of the time when i see people get hooked or when I hook people it's because they're out in the open[/QUOTE]
So you're telling me to not be on any objective whatsoever
-changed what they said-
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52302766]So you're telling me to not be on any objective whatsoever[/QUOTE]
you're telling me that you don't have tanks on your team?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52302775]you're telling me that you don't have tanks on your team?[/QUOTE]
Because barriers can be up 24/7 and all of them block in 360 degrees
You should know that's false because Roadhog can fuck over barriers in seconds
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52302777]Because barriers can be up 24/7 and all of them block in 360 degrees[/QUOTE]
roadhog is a fat fuck with footsteps louder than zeus' piss; he's not going to go unnoticed when flaking
if your tanks can't protect you from a roadhog then your team has bigger problems than roadhog
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52302796]roadhog is a fat fuck with footsteps louder than zeus' piss; he's not going to go unnoticed when flaking
if your tanks can't protect you from a roadhog then your team has bigger problems than roadhog[/QUOTE]
Because teams are expected to huddle and hide behind a barrier 24/7 just so they can get team killed by half the ults in the game
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52302766]So you're telling me to not be on any objective whatsoever[/QUOTE]
Do you know what a tank is my man
EDIT: If you're a DPS or support standing in the middle of the point with no tank you're doing something wrong
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52302799]Because teams are expected to hide behind a barrier 24/7 just so they can get team killed by half the ults in the game[/QUOTE]
I actually think that might be the Overwatch Team's idea. Considering how they have been putting HEAVY focus on barriers lately.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52302777]Because barriers can be up 24/7 and all of them block in 360 degrees
You should know that's false because Roadhog can fuck over barriers in seconds[/QUOTE]
If you have a D.Va you can matrix Hog's shots and both keep your barriers up longer and prevent hook combos.
[QUOTE=Altimor;52302808]If you have a D.Va you can matrix Hog's shots and both keep your barriers up longer and prevent hook combos.[/QUOTE]
So I need 3-4 tanks to counter 1 tank
Got it
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