Overwatch - It's Actually a Trick To Make Everyone Play HotS, also BUY
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[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52370411]Must just be a terrible Reaper
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Dva also uses shotgun style so idk why you'd include her and not him?
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Basically a big list of hitscan anyhow[/QUOTE]
Reaper can't fly.
The idea that reapers teleport is a viable way of dealing with airborne targets is totally absurd.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52370501]If we aren't talking about direct damage and instead just being annoying to the pharah, zenyatta should be there since the orb of discord requires near no aim and directly makes her die 30% faster from anyone[/QUOTE]
By this logic Zen is a counter to everyone.
[QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;52371035]By this logic Zen is a counter to everyone.[/QUOTE]
He kind of is tbh. With the exception of things that easily kill him.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52371045]He kind of is tbh. With the exception of things that easily kill him.[/QUOTE]
Zenyatta has a very big hitbox for how much health he has, and he has no mobility. He's easily killed by Soldier, Pharah, Genji, Tracer, Hog, Reaper off the top of my head. There's more than whether or not someone counters another hero. There are a slew of situations where a hero has an advantage over the other that supposedly counters them. Thinking of the game in terms of counters can work, but it's bad to simplify the game exclusively to counterplay.
I mean zenyatta gets the advantage through a debuff and still actually has to aim to do any damage.
That is already far less infuriating than any of the other universal counter skills.
[QUOTE=WilloTheWisp;52370890]Dude what's your SR because there's no fucking way you're playing against any competent Pharah player ever if you think Reaper is a counter to her[/QUOTE]
I didn't say he was a counter
At worst I said Dva isn't, which the counter lists have her in neutral, same as reaper
[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;52370947]Maybe it's summer's hot temperature, but I could had sworn someone actually said that Reaper can counter Pharah.
What a silly hallucination.[/QUOTE]
silly hallucination is right because it didn't even happen
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[QUOTE=Oizen;52371026]Reaper can't fly.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't firing with Dva while flying cancel flight?
It's just really easy to survive against pharah as reaper. Fight me.
you can still shoot while you've flown next to the phara with dva. infinitely more damage done than a reaper. what even is going on nobody ever says "can you swap to reaper to deal with phara"
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52371262]I didn't say he was a counter
At worst I said Dva isn't, which the counter lists have her in neutral, same as reaper
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Doesn't firing with Dva while flying cancel flight?[/QUOTE]
Boost in to QM, (60 damage) shoot while falling.
Any D.Va worth their shit can get 200 damage while doing this.
And if pharah survives you can just pepper her down, either way she's not shooting your team during this.
McCree counters Pharah easily. Just learn to aim.
[QUOTE=PopSkimo;52371278]you can still shoot while you've flown next to the phara with dva. infinitely more damage done than a reaper. what even is going on nobody ever says "can you swap to reaper to deal with phara"[/QUOTE]
No one said they do though?
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The safest bet is soldier, Mccree if good aim
Winston deals with pharah very well too, in my experience
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52371262]I didn't say he was a counter
At worst I said Dva isn't, which the counter lists have her in neutral, same as reaper
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Semantics
You posted that Reaper is a solid choice vs Pharah which he is absolutely not. As someone who plays Pharah often, we BULLY Reaper's which is why I'm curious about your SR and level of playing if you're getting away with slow-ass teleporting and wasting time on some building somewhere
Didn't say that either
I literally said "you're not completely fucked"
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I'm also not even the guy who brought up teleporting to pharah
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52371541]its really easy to survive against anyone by just running away/using mobility skills
i thought this whole thing was about ''reaper can deal with pharah just fine'' and not ''reaper can wraith walk away from pharah''[/QUOTE]
the whole thing was that dva rarely kills pharah alone and if you're going to include such situations may as well add reaper because its basically the same level since Dva uses shotguns and can block/get higher. Granted reaper's block is selfish compared to dvas which I noted
I just want reaper to have a tighter shotgun spread.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52371541]its really easy to survive against anyone by just running away/using mobility skills[/QUOTE]
except symmetra
fuck symmetra
why does a support have a stronger gun than most offensive characters
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;52371573]
why does a support have a stronger gun than most offensive characters[/QUOTE]
Isn't this pretty much the normal for this game.
I joined pretty late into development but I heard that Symettra used to not be ridiculous and whining for buffs caused this, what was changed?
[QUOTE=Oizen;52371578]Isn't this pretty much the normal for this game.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to bitch, and of course you are, you could at least bitch about things that are actually true. Every single attack hero except Genji does more dps than every support hero
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52371604]I joined pretty late into development but I heard that Symettra used to not be ridiculous and whining for buffs caused this, what was changed?[/QUOTE]
They added 2 meters to her beam range is what most are probably complaining about.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52371604]I joined pretty late into development but I heard that Symettra used to not be ridiculous and whining for buffs caused this, what was changed?[/QUOTE]
I dunno if you mean [I]this[/I] long ago but she used to pretty much suck ass. All she had was a teleporter which isn't exactly helpful to the defending team the moment point 1 is taken.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elN-QGyToxM[/media]
They replaced her old photon shield with a throwable photon barrier and gave her 'two ultimates' with the teleporter and shield generator, so that she could stay useful
I was thinking more about how the gun is cheesy
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Someone at some point said that "symmetra was fine" and that whining caused the gun being wild
I like that even with the total kit redesign, Symmetra is still a really shitty mixed bag.
She's either absurdly strong on the first point defense by giving everyone [B]permanent[/B] +75 regenerating HP well behind the normal "giant fucking stupid chokepoint", mixed in with guns/turrets that are deadly if you give them any time at all. If she herself gets the +75 shields on top, and catches a team from behind, it can quickly become a full wipe which is insane.
Or she's totally useless and not even played on other maps. I almost always see people drop her after the first point falls [I]still[/I] after this redesign, and they're not even using the tele and let's not even bring on KOTH.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52371283]McCree counters Pharah easily. Just learn to aim.[/QUOTE]
heavily depends on the map
if it's some of the larger maps, mccree's damage falloff is far too severe to deal with pharah - trying to get her with 21 damage bullets is a recipe for eating rockets and dying
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also to weigh in on symmetra, she's either utterly useless and thus no fun for the team with her, or she's total shitaids, making every kill worthless due to teleports, exacerbating chokewatch by throwing slowing turrets in it
i would have no qualms if blizzard ate some humble pie and removed her from the game because she was a mistake
[QUOTE=Doom14;52371661]I like that even with the total kit redesign, Symmetra is still a really shitty mixed bag.
She's either absurdly strong on the first point defense by giving everyone [B]permanent[/B] +75 regenerating HP well behind the normal "giant fucking stupid chokepoint", mixed in with guns/turrets that are deadly if you give them any time at all. If she herself gets the +75 shields on top, and catches a team from behind, it can quickly become a full wipe which is insane.
Or she's totally useless and not even played on other maps. I almost always see people drop her after the first point falls [I]still[/I] after this redesign, and they're not even using the tele and let's not even bring on KOTH.[/QUOTE]
Symmetra is a niche pick.
Theres pretty much nothing that can be done about that.
[QUOTE=laharlsblade;52371608]If you're going to bitch, and of course you are, you could at least bitch about things that are actually true. Every single attack hero except Genji does more dps than every support hero[/QUOTE]
1v1 me Reaper/Sombra vs Zenyatta.
[media]https://youtu.be/1BFg-kJGvq0[/media]
[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;52371831][media]https://youtu.be/1BFg-kJGvq0[/media][/QUOTE]
where's the funny
it's just a genji main using his ulti and missing people
