Overwatch - It's Actually a Trick To Make Everyone Play HotS, also BUY - Games

I have zero desire to play during this event. 1v1 and 3v3 aren't fun, and I don't care enough about skins to play those modes or deal with quickplay matchmaking or same old maps. If they add more co-op stuff like Uprising I might get back into it but ironically playing HotS for the skins has actually gotten me more into that game than Overwatch, even though I don't play Mobas. The bot support is pretty good, and theres so many different playstyles and even the loot boxes are more fair where I can end up getting exactly what I want after a much shorter time.

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52274298] Blizzard released a quality-ass game for $40 dollars, beneath the generally agreed upon full price. There is no grind for Heroes in Overwatch. You don't have to pay for expansions with all new heroes and maps. There's no season pass. We live in an age where having to pay or grind for days to get updates is just something you have to live with if you play modern video games, and they didn't go for that monetization scheme when they easily could have. [/QUOTE] "There's games out there that are worse cash grabs so no bitching."

[QUOTE=Furnost;52274365]i dont expect to get every skin, but every event ive had to buy the things i want since they never dropped for me in a loot box, and gold drops are usually shit for me so i just end up with 3k at the end of an event and im only able to buy one skin. luckily ive either had minor things ive wanted drop for me (emotes, etc.) and ive only wanted 1 skin out of the events. what if theres more than one skin i want? guess im shit out of luck and have to pick and choose what skin i want. i dont get to play that often either since solo playing is an all around bad experience that i dont even want to bother anymore, and the one friend i get to play with has had a difficult time finding the time to do so (and to add to that, there are more games i want to play beyond grinding for drops in OW.)[/QUOTE] I get where you're coming from, I just don't think it's anywhere [I]near[/I] as big a deal as people are making it out to be. You think I don't miss out on skins I want from event to event? I just prioritize the one or two I want the most, and I can live with that, easily. It'd be one thing if people were saying "There's not enough time this event for anyone to get the skins they want and it's not very consumer friendly" but holy hell people are getting fucking pissed - like they had to pay 20$ to get Sombra, or some shit. TF2 forced you to grind excessively, get lucky, or deal with player traders to get new weapons. R6 Siege requires intensive grinding to get new operators free despite having free maps and being full price. The only thing Overwatch suggests you pay for is cosmetics - only cosmetics, and there's still a chance for solo players to get those cosmetics free if they're lucky. People are acting like lootboxes in OW are so scummy it sours the rest of the game and I'm like, [I]how? [/I][QUOTE=TheJukebox;52274480]"There's games out there that are worse cash grabs so no bitching."[/QUOTE] More like almost all modern multiplayer games out there are worse cash grabs with paywalls for actual playable content and you're getting furious over cosmetics. Hats. It's the TF2 idling drama all over again.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52274547]it really wont surprise me when they start charging us for heroes or start throwing out expansions.[/QUOTE] Locking them behind event lootboxes seems more likely.

I honestly wouldn't mind an expansion if it didn't lock [I]heroes[/I] behind it. They could totally do one for a really nice Coop campaign with cutscenes if they wanted.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52274547]it really wont surprise me when they start charging us for heroes or start throwing out expansions.[/QUOTE] If they start doing that I'll be there with you seeing as they've said on-record they want to avoid hero paywalls - but as long as it's still cosmetics I don't see the big deal at all, sorry. Some of my favorite games have been absolutely fucked trying to cash-in on the free to play craze with days-long grinds for a single rifle or having to wait a day or pay a fee before you can progress in a quest, and season passes are just the law of the land as far as AAA titles like Battlefield. So when I see people looking at a game offering entirely free gameplay content using cosmetic purchases to justify said free content to those in charge and acting like it's the most disgusting and slimy thing they've ever seen, it just seems unbelievable.

[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;52274406]I think the thing that bothers me most about the lootbox situation is that it's so transparently just so they can farm microtransactions. Blizzard is all "oh, we have the most amazing fanbase, thanks for an amazing year, you're all wonderful!", yet it comes off as totally disingenuous considering the only reason they have for not improving parts of their product is "well if we fixed that yeah it would make people happy but we'd also rake in less money on lootboxes so yeah no go". Like, fuck's sake man, this is a [i]full price[/i] game. I paid $40 for the standard edition because that was all I could afford at the time, and even that required reading a lot of fine print and clicking in the right place; I know plenty of people who paid the full $60 because they're either playing on console or didn't even know the standard edition was an option. They parade Jeff around to the public because people love him, but the business tactics beneath it all are really fucking scummy. It all just puts a super bad taste in my mouth. I could understand wanting to farm as much lootbox revenue as possible if this was a Free-To-Play game, but people paid money upfront, you'd think that would earn us the bare minimum respect from them that they wouldn't try to pull shit like this so blatantly.[/QUOTE] Most people don't associate all the value in the game to character skins, they associate it with maps and gamemodes (i.e. the actual game) which are free and available to everyone. Yes, it is a tragedy that you can't get every skin in the game but that applies to just about every game with a cosmetics system. F2P or otherwise. Once Blizzard start locking actual gameplay behind paywalls you'll have a valid argument. I paid £30 for Overwatch a year ago and have probably over 100 hours of gameplay out of it, at this point buying a lootbox or two is fine because I'm happy to support a game that I'm probably going to continue to play for hundred more hours. Saying that Blizzard aren't showing you "the bare minimum respect" because you might not get a genji skin is absurd and entitled.

The biggest problem people are having is how they are not even trying to hide that these events are just cash grabs. It's like base game content is being pushed to the side so they can get events out ASAP after an event ends. "events help pay for that base content" Well at this point it just feels like events are used to pay for more events to get more money.

Oh hey then it's a good time to bring up Uprising PvE mode once again. It was understandable for Junkenstein since it was their first time doing horde PvE mode but Uprising's one is actually a legit and better done mode and they took it out.

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52274610]The biggest problem people are having is how they are not even trying to hide that these events are just cash grabs. It's like base game content is being pushed to the side so they can get events out ASAP after an event ends.[/QUOTE] No, they are fun little events where you have a chance to get a fun little skin or voice line if you play the game. If you absolutely must own everything then yes, the only way to get it all is to buy lootboxes. But most people don't think that way and don't get upset by it.

[QUOTE=Sweater;52274617]Oh hey then it's a good time to bring up Uprising PvE mode once again. It was understandable for Junkenstein since it was their first time doing horde PvE mode but Uprising's one is actually a legit and better done mode and they took it out.[/QUOTE] I feel as if the extremely positive reception of Uprising is eventually going to lead Blizzard into doing, as I mentioned earlier, a campaign of Coop missions as an expansion pack, With really nice cinematics and progression to the game's story to boot. It's likely not going to happen for awhile but to me this would be a logical step forward for them. An Overwatch expansion would likely not work otherwise because it would probably end up with multiplayer gameplay content, which is the main part of the game, being locked behind a paywall. I don't think Blizzard would want to make characters that require you to buy an expansion pack to play. For Overwatch, specifically.

[QUOTE=MacD11;52274647]I feel as if the extremely positive reception of Uprising is eventually going to lead Blizzard into doing, as I mentioned earlier, a campaign of Coop missions as an expansion pack, With really nice cinematics and progression to the game's story to boot. It's likely not going to happen for awhile but to me this would be a logical sense of progression for them. An Overwatch expansion would likely not work otherwise because it would probably end up with multiplayer gameplay content, which is the main part of the game, being locked behind a paywall. I don't think Blizzard would want to make characters that require you to buy an expansion pack to play.[/QUOTE] An SP/co-op campaign is something I'd be okay with paying for, yeah. I've mulled the thought over before. That said, Uprising and Lucioball and stuff being pulled after their respective events is a genuine complaint. I think I can understand their reasoning behind it, increasing their longevity, letting them bring the limited-time events back and making the community anticipate their return rather than completely burn themselves out on them a month after release - I'm just not sure that's a good enough reason to lock players out of a gamemode that's already in the game.

Obviously the solution to get most items of the events is play the game everyday for the rest of your life for at least 2 hours and in a few years you will probably have most of the things that you want. Also don't forget to keep buying 50 loot boxes frequently to speed up the process and being one step closer to have the items you want. Remember, even if you get all duplicated items from the event it just means you are getting coins to unlock any item you want! You should be grateful to Blizzard which keeps updating this game with new content to you enjoy for free. Other companies would charge you for everything, even to reach the main menu. Is all about the lesser evil!

[t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/179822075437907968/317426851167469578/ScreenShot_17-05-25_17-20-11-000.jpg[/t] [t]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/179822075437907968/317426896214294549/ScreenShot_17-05-25_17-20-23-000.jpg[/t] I have 1 hour played as Tracer. At least it's a good looking skin and not a duplicate. This box on the other hand made me want to shoot someone: [t]https://i.imgur.com/6YD9vbp.jpg[/t]

You should get some coins for comp games tbh.

[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;52274045][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/r09P9LP.png[/IMG] FUCK THIS GAMES LOOT SYSTEM still no event legendary like 30 boxes in[/QUOTE] Feels like the drop rates are all over the place because I just started playing the update for the first time last night and this is the first thing I get out of my free lootbox. :pudge: [t]https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/780658650784285849/7BE5655F997D4A1A519299C644CF0975ABE7F9A1/[/t]

when they revealed the rarity drop rates for that chinese law did they mention the probability of getting more than one event item in an event loot box?

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52274749]i would never get burnt out doing lucioball all the other gamemodes so far just became tedious after a while, lucioball is the only one that i consistently had fun doing and could play for hours if i didnt have other things to do.[/QUOTE] I'll never play Lucioball because instead of being fun, all i'm seeing are people that camp at goal and booping me off plus it's only a single hero but i wonder if i should stay optimistic on Blizzard making it better :v:

[QUOTE=meppers;52274863]when they revealed the rarity drop rates for that chinese law did they mention the probability of getting more than one event item in an event loot box?[/QUOTE] no which is actually funny because by law i think they're supposed to disclose that [img]http://i.imgur.com/iFGQ97s.png[/img] [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] Judging from the screenshots and my personal experience, it's only 1 event item per lootbox.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52274892]no which is actually funny because by law i think they're supposed to disclose that [img]http://i.imgur.com/iFGQ97s.png[/img] [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] Judging from the screenshots and my personal experience, it's only 1 event item per lootbox.[/QUOTE] i've gotten two anniversary things in one box a couple of times.

what's the exact range on Symmetra's beam? Because sometimes it seems like it goes on forever other times it seems like it only goes out a foot in front of you.

1 foot if you are using it. 5 miles if you are being chased by an enemy Symmetra.

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52274934]1 foot if you are using it. 5 miles if you are being chased by an enemy Symmetra.[/QUOTE] Ah so its like Zarya's beam then, useless for you, amazing for them [editline]25th May 2017[/editline] Also who was saying that you only get 1 event item in every box? Cause I just got two. Granted they were a spray and a player icon but still

[t]http://i.imgur.com/XMuqSps.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=E.C.S;52274794]Obviously the solution to get most items of the events is play the game everyday for the rest of your life for at least 2 hours and in a few years you will probably have most of the things that you want. Also don't forget to keep buying 50 loot boxes frequently to speed up the process and being one step closer to have the items you want. Remember, even if you get all duplicated items from the event it just means you are getting coins to unlock any item you want! You should be grateful to Blizzard which keeps updating this game with new content to you enjoy for free. Other companies would charge you for everything, even to reach the main menu. Is all about the lesser evil![/QUOTE] Name [I]five[/I] recent big budget multiplayer games with no heavy grind or gameplay-relevant micro-transactions. I'm not saying the lootbox system is super convenient, but the purpose of the thing is to make money so they can justify all those free updates with actual playable content and considering what the tradeoff is, I'm more than willing to have it.

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;52274955]Name [I]five[/I] recent big budget multiplayer games with no heavy grind or gameplay-relevant micro-transactions. I'm not saying the lootbox system is super convenient, but the purpose of the thing is to make money so they can justify all those free updates with actual playable content and considering what the tradeoff is, I'm more than willing to have it.[/QUOTE] Friendly reminder that those "free" updates with playable content were purchased with your $40. They were advertised as part of the game you're guaranteed to get. It's not free extras, it's delivery of goods you've already purchased.

Also Activision Blizzard makes money hand over fist. And they legitimately just announced that they are making potentially multiple billions of dollars off the game

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52275010]Friendly reminder that those "free" updates with playable content were purchased with your $40. They were advertised as part of the game you're guaranteed to get. It's not free extras, it's delivery of goods you've already purchased.[/QUOTE] Come on now, are we seriously arguing that free updates were advertised before the game came out, ergo it was covered by the 40$ fee and they don't [I]really[/I] count as free updates? By that logic you don't even know half of what you're purchasing. That's like saying TF2's free updates don't count as free updates. They're doing free updates, most other developers aren't. Try to twist it any way you like. [QUOTE=Zeos;52275035]Also Activision Blizzard makes money hand over fist. And they legitimately just announced that they are making potentially multiple billions of dollars off the game[/QUOTE] I don't think those in charge would accept developing free updates as the game fails to bring in additional revenue for the next several years of the game's lifespan because "eh we're good for it"

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52275010]Friendly reminder that those "free" updates with playable content were purchased with your $40. They were advertised as part of the game you're guaranteed to get. It's not free extras, it's delivery of goods you've already purchased.[/QUOTE] And buying the boxes to support the creators of the content isn't how it works. The check they got for making the stuff was cut weeks ago.

[QUOTE=SuperDuprKyle;52274045][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/r09P9LP.png[/IMG] FUCK THIS GAMES LOOT SYSTEM still no event legendary like 30 boxes in[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/ceqo0qF.png[/t] Better than my 4 dupes.