Just a thought, a lot of people are saying that [sp]the Sacrifice Chloe ending is canon, mainly due to the whole "Chloe caused all this, one life lost is better than many etc etc". but either ending could be canon. In fact doesnt Max basically give off that she couldnt give two fucks about Arcadia Gay and would rather save Chloe? Wouldnt that make the Sacrifice Arcadia Bay ending canon more than bumping off Chloe?[/sp]
No such thing as canon, only headcanons.
Very biased headcanons.
I finished it and I think you have to be [sp]a complete sociopath to kill everyone in the town.[/sp]
[sp]I feel bad for Chloe but you're literally killing hundreds of innocent people, including Chloe's entire family otherwise. It's really fucked up and going "It can't be for nothing" is the most selfish thing in the world. People saying saving her is a rushed ending but what else could they have done? You murdered everyone for your first crush.[/sp]
From a story perspective though [sp]I feel the choice itself is rather flaccid. I didn't even get sad at it because it's such a dumb choice. The lives of the many over the lives of the one situations are always easier- to the point where even Chloe sees it. Like do you honestly believe the two of them have any chance of ever being happy knowing they slaughtered a entire cities worth of people? Letting Chloe die is tragic, but it was fate from the start- killing everyone else is active murder to me.[/sp]
Game mechanic talk tying into the story [sp]Like why did Max get time powers anyway? She got them to save Chloe just so nature can kill her over and over again? Shit makes no sense.[/sp]
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Game mechanic talk tying into the story [sp]Like why did Max get time powers anyway? She got them to save Chloe just so nature can kill her over and over again? Shit makes no sense.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Are you seriously trying to talk some sense into magic time travel and time reversal abilities?[/sp]
[QUOTE=simkas;48952805][sp]Are you seriously trying to talk some sense into magic time travel and time reversal abilities?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Honestly? [sp]No. It just doesn't really make sense and I wish it had a little bit more into it- I would be perfectly fine if they never explained it if the ending was different, leave it a mystery. But when the writers go "YOU GOING BACK IN TIME TO SAVE CHLOE CAUSED THE HELLNADO" I kinda want answers as to why she got the powers in the first place RIGHT there.
And how she was able to go back to the bathroom via a picture of a bucket, was her face reflected in the bucket because I really don't recall.[/sp]
Now that I've sat and thought about it, I'm almost positive that the [sp]Ending was changed partway through. Max has premonitions about the storm BEFORE she saves Chloe, and throughout the game has other hallucinations direct her to things, like the squirrels, or the deer leading her towards important things.
Important things that she could only realize USING HER TIME POWERS. Linking everything to that first death is absolutely nonsense.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sift;48952830]Honestly? [sp]No. It just doesn't really make sense and I wish it had a little bit more into it- I would be perfectly fine if they never explained it if the ending was different, leave it a mystery. But when the writers go "YOU GOING BACK IN TIME TO SAVE CHLOE CAUSED THE HELLNADO" I kinda want answers as to why she got the powers in the first place RIGHT there.
And how she was able to go back to the bathroom via a picture of a bucket, was her face reflected in the bucket because I really don't recall.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Uhhh where did you get the idea that her face needs to be in the photo for her to use it? At no point does that come up.[/sp]
[QUOTE=simkas;48952982][sp]Uhhh where did you get the idea that her face needs to be in the photo for her to use it? At no point does that come up.[/sp][/QUOTE]
It's in literally every other photo she jumps back to. [sp]It's the entire crux behind why people thought Warren's photo would matter. The implication is she jumps back to that point in time and takes over where she was for that photo. Like we can pretend that isn't what was implied but... it's totally what was implied.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sift;48952830]Honestly? [sp]No. It just doesn't really make sense and I wish it had a little bit more into it- I would be perfectly fine if they never explained it if the ending was different, leave it a mystery. But when the writers go "YOU GOING BACK IN TIME TO SAVE CHLOE CAUSED THE HELLNADO" I kinda want answers as to why she got the powers in the first place RIGHT there.
And how she was able to go back to the bathroom via a picture of a bucket, was her face reflected in the bucket because I really don't recall.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Her reflection was on the bucket.[/sp]
[QUOTE=simkas;48952982][sp]Uhhh where did you get the idea that her face needs to be in the photo for her to use it? At no point does that come up.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yes, let's go into a photo where Max never was. Surely we can change things that way.
It's implied that her being in it is required.[/sp]
Somewhat speaking of, why does Chloe have the photo with her in the first place. Thinking on it I don't recall Max ever going [sp]ey chloe check it out this exact photo of a bucket is when you got owned in a bathroom.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Frosty701;48953101][sp]Yes, let's go into a photo where Max never was. Surely we can change things that way.
It's implied that her being in it is required.[/sp][/QUOTE]
But she was there, she's just not in the photo.
[QUOTE=simkas;48953232]But she was there, she's just not in the photo.[/QUOTE]
Which one?
[QUOTE=Sift;48953190]Somewhat speaking of, why does Chloe have the photo with her in the first place. Thinking on it I don't recall Max ever going [sp]ey chloe check it out this exact photo of a bucket is when you got owned in a bathroom.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Chloe takes it from you in exchange for the camera in ep 1.
[QUOTE=Frosty701;48953276]Which one?[/QUOTE]
The bucket one.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;48953300]Chloe takes it from you in exchange for the camera in ep 1.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, don't recall her getting it. Still kinda weird she has it on her at all times though.
[QUOTE=simkas;48953428]The bucket one.[/QUOTE]
It shows he face in the photo. Check again
For people divided on the ending, some food for thought:
[sp]This is a rule that more people should use when reading all works, but especially ones like Life Is Strange. Don't look at the mystery/narrative as the focal point of the story, but rather Max's development as a character. One of the main themes of the game was the nostalgic yearnings we all feel from time to time. Max returns to her hometown and reunites with her childhood friend, just as anybody would want to do. But obsession with the past is never a good thing or a healthy thing, as it makes it impossible to enjoy life going forward. The final choice in Episode 5 boils down to whether Max has learned that or not. If you save Chloe, Max is essentially throwing away her world and her future to cling to one small part of the past. Sure, her best friend is alive, but Max will only feel guilt whenever she looks at Chloe from now on. All of the friends she made in Arcadia Bay, from students to townsfolk to Chloe's family, will all be lost. Rachel Amber won't be avenged, but will instead become another statistic in a destroyed town. By sacrificing Chloe, Max (painfully) lets her past go, but in doing so, ensures her own life, and the lives of others, can continue in a fulfilling way. She gives up one friend for a dozen new ones. And Chloe's death isn't a waste. Even before the time manipulation, she knew the risks and decided to give her life anyway to expose a killer. This would not be lost on the people of Arcadia Bay. Max didn't get her powers to save Chloe, as evidenced by the storm. She didn't even get them to bring Jefferson to justice, as he is caught even if Max does nothing (sacrifice Chloe). So it stands to reason that Max got her powers only to teach her that she can't change the past, but that she can create a better future.
As for closure, if you sacrificed Arcadia Bay, of course there's none. You condemned an entire town to death, and that's the end of it. If you sacrificed Chloe, you see everyone at the funeral. Kate is alive, Joyce and David are together, and Jefferson and Nathan are in jail where they belong, with Nathan presumably getting the treatment he needs. Max gets to continue her life with these people going forwards, and it's really the best possible scenario. It only takes a little imagination to extrapolate where it will go from there. What more closure do you need?[/sp]
That's my take on it anyway. It makes my first choice, [sp]sacrifice chloe[/sp], all the more fulfilling to me. I feel like there really couldn't have been a better ending for the series.
Sorry for the essay, but I love this game.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;48953869][sp]She didn't even get them to bring Jefferson to justice, as he is caught even if Max does nothing (sacrifice Chloe)[/sp][/QUOTE]
That is interesting. We don't know if [sp]Max uses her knowledge of Jefferson being psychopath in sacrifice Chloe scenario. That information could come from caught on spot Nathan or she COULD still tell David about him[/sp].
[QUOTE=Edge97;48954761]That is interesting. We don't know if [sp]Max uses her knowledge of Jefferson being psychopath in sacrifice Chloe scenario. That information could come from caught on spot Nathan or she COULD still tell David about him[/sp].[/QUOTE]
[sp]I'm pretty sure it was Nathan, he seems like the kind of guy who would just start giving up everyone when he'd get in trouble.[/sp]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prGptG5Ex1g[/media]
They sure do know how to find good songs
you know, [sp]we don't actually know if there are any survivors from the arcadia tornado, for all we know a majority of the people could have survived.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;48955349]you know, [sp]we don't actually know if there are any survivors from the arcadia tornado, for all we know a majority of the people could have survived.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]At the very least, Joyce, Frank, Warren, Evan, Alyssa, and all the recurring townspeople are confirmed killed by the storm. Throw in Nathan and possibly Kate from that timeline and you don't have a lot of people left afterwards.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;48955417][sp]At the very least, Joyce, Frank, Warren, Evan, Alyssa, and all the recurring townspeople are confirmed killed by the storm. Throw in Nathan and possibly Kate from that timeline and you don't have a lot of people left afterwards.[/sp][/QUOTE]
They were?
Is it bad that [sp]I feel 0 remorse for Nathan and was kinda happy when I found out he died?[/sp]
Whew! That was a doozy.
My thoughts on the whole ending scenario:
[sp]Sacrified Chloe. Sucks, sure, but it was the right thing to do. This brings up the question of why Max even got the powers in the first place, but in all honesty a proper explanation would probably make it worse. Max simply accepts that you can't hold on to the past.
To those of you who feel the "Sacrifice Arcadia Bay" ending was rushed, was it really? The whole nightmare sequence is the preview of it...you fall through Max's doubts and guilts as images of the whole town throws vile regrets at her for what she's about to do, especially after you(if you did) tried so hard to save all of the people you did on the way to meet Warren at the diner. In that way, it's pretty justified that sacrificing the town is so unsatisfactory: Sure, you got Chloe, but the bigger picture is that you have to deal with those guilts for the rest of your future. Or Chloe's, since the game often foreshadows that she will eventually die and you will have no true control over it.
Also, dat kiss tho[/sp]
[QUOTE=Desert Rat;48956157]Is it bad that [sp]I feel 0 remorse for Nathan and was kinda happy when I found out he died?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well later you find out that [sp]he says sorry for everything and that Jefferson used him for his sick bullshit. I don't think he deserved to die.[/sp]
[QUOTE=RelaxedCreepr;48956212]Well later you find out that [sp]he says sorry for everything and that Jefferson used him for his sick bullshit. I don't think he deserved to die.[/sp][/QUOTE]
My statement still stands v:v:v [sp]dude can apologize all he wants, hes done some fucked up shit, independent from Jefforsons influence, and hes got some serious mental deficiencies[/sp]
[QUOTE=Map in a box;48955349]you know, [sp]we don't actually know if there are any survivors from the arcadia tornado, for all we know a majority of the people could have survived.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Nah, it's pretty fucked. [sp]The whole bar telling you "we will die because of this choice" kinda strike that in, and everyone at two whales in the middle of it as well as all the corpses and people trapped paint a ugly picture that everyone is dead. You don't get your cake and eat it too on this. You're a murderer[/sp]
[sp]I really don't get how anyone can wipe out an entire town of innocents and feel A-okay about it because OMG OTP...[/sp]
[QUOTE=Desert Rat;48956369]My statement still stands v:v:v [sp]dude can apologize all he wants, hes done some fucked up shit, independent from Jefforsons influence, and hes got some serious mental deficiencies[/sp][/QUOTE]
So [sp]he should die because he has mental problems? That's just fucking cold, dude.[/sp]
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