• Death sentence for Illegal Drug Trafficking - Is it fair or too harsh?
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[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;36167481]See that's the thing, it doesn't. [url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty[/url][/QUOTE] which degree of murder is this? Because pre-meditated is one thing, but a lot of them are spontaneous crimes, which is not comparable to drug trafficking. Not to say I agree with the death penalty, I don't at all, for any circumstance.
You can't discuss these topics because there's always someone who doesn't like drugs and I think you can't budge them to think different. It's like a Ps3 vs Xbox 360 flamewar.
[QUOTE=JackDestiny;36168685]It's like a Ps3 vs Xbox 360 flamewar.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. For two reasons; some people can have a mature debate about things that actually matter and if there were no mature debates then there would be no opinions in society at all. If that's the world you want, then you have some dull view of a perfect world.
[QUOTE=SoSicklyAwesome;36102353]Exactly this. If someone wants to be stupid and snort Cocaine until they die, let them.[/QUOTE] I agree with this, I mean we should just let the drugs rat out the idiots, at no cost to us
It makes no sense. Drugs being illegal doesn't get rid of the demand for drugs. As long as there is a demand for drugs, there will be a supply, whether legal or not. There is no way to prevent this without getting rid of all liberties and freedom. The question is, do we want to allow the cartels and drug dealers the profits or companies that are operating under the law? If we really want to control drugs, why not regulate them and allow them to be safe?
It will never act as a deterrent to people who smuggle because people will always reason that they will never be caught and as people say there will always be a demand so its redundant.
fuck it, we have too many people on this gay planet drugs should be legal [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating - read the rules sticky." - Megafan))[/highlight]
Drug traffickers generally are in pretty desperate situations where they feel that it's their only option; it doesn't matter what the penalty is. The only point to punishing them is to incapacitate them. Scaring them doesn't work unless if they don't feel forced into that situation, which many of them are.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;36167161]I kind of support the death penalty, but a death sentence for anything other than murder to me is way too harsh. Also I'm on a fence on the drugs issue. Not many people here probably had a drug crazed family member, they severely fuck up an entire family. Shit like cocaine and heroin should be illegal, people sometimes need to be protected from themselves, and it's not fair on the family either.[/QUOTE] Your very family orenteted
[QUOTE=Mr. N;36167161]I kind of support the death penalty, but a death sentence for anything other than murder to me is way too harsh. Also I'm on a fence on the drugs issue. Not many people here probably had a drug crazed family member, they severely fuck up an entire family. Shit like cocaine and heroin should be illegal, people sometimes need to be protected from themselves, and it's not fair on the family either.[/QUOTE] I partially agree with out. Although cocaine isn't close to being on par with heroin in terms of addiction potential, illegalizing these drugs for everyone isn't the right way to go about it. Perhaps you could get some sort of recreational prescription after you've proven you're a responsible user. It's better and safer than buying it on the street.
I my opinion, it would be a lot easier just to influence people's decisions about the drugs.
A death sentence should only ever be used in SERIOUS murders. Period.
of course its too harsh its just plants. thank god for holland where you can smoke pot withouth a trouble on your head.
the death penalty is so fucking stupid. prison is one of the WORST places to be on earth. i'd rather someone do life than get the easy way out and just sit on death row for 8 years while shit gets litigated. plus they give them a last meal. the death penalty is a lot less worse than it sounds, infinitely. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] id rather just someone's mind to rot, not their entire body cause they don't experience being dead. fuck, i'd take the death penalty over life any day. personally
[QUOTE=godfatherk;36192273]of course its too harsh its just plants. thank god for holland where you can smoke pot withouth a trouble on your head.[/QUOTE] Except this is about drug trafficking, not smoking weed, there's a bit of a difference.
Killing the people that supply my pot? Eh. I'll pass. Besides, it's the serial killers and shit we need to be dealing with for life sentence. Someone trafficking drugs are always going to be there even if we do start killin' em.
Too harsh is the right answer.
The problem with drugs isn't the user coming to harm, it's the user harming other people. The lesser drugs like marijuana aren't too bad but others (especially meth) can be harmful to society. That's why they're illegal. As for the penalty, I think I've lost all morality when speaking of the death penalty, so my view of that topic has become clouded. I'll stay out of it.
[QUOTE=Aloveoftheworld;36190798]Your very family orenteted[/QUOTE] Not sure if that's condescending or not. [editline]5th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=FoodStuffs;36192369]the death penalty is so fucking stupid. prison is one of the WORST places to be on earth. i'd rather someone do life than get the easy way out and just sit on death row for 8 years while shit gets litigated. plus they give them a last meal. the death penalty is a lot less worse than it sounds, infinitely. [editline]4th June 2012[/editline] id rather just someone's mind to rot, not their entire body cause they don't experience being dead. fuck, i'd take the death penalty over life any day. personally[/QUOTE] In a way, the death penalty liberates them. Might sound cryptic but think about it. Death isn't a punishment because we all will face it.
Overtly punitive attitudes such as death penalties and mandatory sentencing have been found by empirical studies to have a negligible effect (if one at all) on reducing crime rates. This is especially true when it comes to illicit substance related crimes. What may seem logical is not always factual and the logic of a carrot and a stick assumes a whole lot of circumstances around the act that may not be true. Such as that the offender is thinking logically or has control. Death is a punishment, a brutal and absolute one at that.
[QUOTE=AeroSinthetic;36199404]The problem with drugs isn't the user coming to harm, it's the user harming other people. The lesser drugs like marijuana aren't too bad but others (especially meth) can be harmful to society. That's why they're illegal. As for the penalty, I think I've lost all morality when speaking of the death penalty, so my view of that topic has become clouded. I'll stay out of it.[/QUOTE] How the fuck is a meth user harmful to society? Especially when meth can be used by high functioning individuals who need to work 20 hour shifts or the like. A meth (or any drug user really) user is no more harmful to society than someone who drinks yet funnily we don't suggest executing brewery owners or illegalizing that do we. Anyway I won't come back here as anyone who doesn't agree with me won't listen
while i think that death sounds a bit too harsh we should really consider how much the drugs are screwing up other peoples life. I think that it should be 40 years prison for 400g+ and death sentence if any of the people who ever got drugs from that person died from that or any other illegal drug/substance.
[QUOTE=Kalibos;36102996]how about no because that's irresponsible to society and to people sometimes you DO have to protect people from themselves[/QUOTE] We've seen what a good job restricting them does... For the most part its not drugs, but the shit that gets mixed with them. Legalizing them and allowing companies to set up manufacturing plants that aren't going to mix lethal shit into it is infinitely more safe then letting the people go out to the nearest drug dealer. Besides, we allow Alcohol for some reason, which is a [B]SHITLOAD[/B] more dangerous considering it accounts for a little over 4% of deaths worldwide annually.
I say too harsh, mate. Drugs are just... objects that toy with the human brain. Maybe there's some religious or cultural view on drugs backed by that law, unfortunately. You see, when one person does drugs, the other person is not physically affected but rather mentally because the person on drugs may irritate the sober person. Okay, that's that. I forgot to list medical reason. Do medics see illegal drug trafficking as theft? Drugs are needed to fix health errors. Man, there are so many reasons why this offence can get you dead. Now should the forbidden drug trafficking get you dead? Like I said in the first paragraph, transporting drugs is the same as transporting everything else. I don't understand why the politicians see that as transporting guns. Drugs kill the user, not the witness; the prey is the one who takes the drugs. If the problem is money, then this says Singaporians are materialistic culture. In their world it's all OK, in our world it's immoral.
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