• Circumcision
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[QUOTE=sltungle;32583819]Uhh, I'm pretty sure you SHOULD pull it back. I pull it back when I go to piss because first, it's more hygienic, and second, it allows me to aim better. Mine pulls as far back as it should be able to; right over the head of my penis so that the entire end is uncovered. If you CAN'T pull it back that far you should probably see a doctor. That's one of those cases where you may need it removed for medical reasons.[/QUOTE] I can pull it back far enough to piss and the like, and I'm actually getting a skin-cream-thing to loosen the skin around the head. [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] It's not like phimosis.
[QUOTE=Chubbles;32583640]The arm and earlobe is completely irrelevant. I understand that the foreskin has a purpose, but at the same time, some parents/religions/whatever else might feel like the foreskin can be removed for easier access and later sexual pleasure. Cutting off an arm would completely hinder the child. Cutting off the foreskin of the penis does not. Not a sound counter argument.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that if you're entire argument for cutting the foreskin off is that he won't remember the pain when he grows up, then the same could be applied to (nearly) any body part.
[QUOTE=Chubbles;32583757]It may not, but that's what some people might think. I personally won't ever know because when I receive pleasure down there however it may be, I still feel really good. I don't ever know what it would feel like for an uncircumcised penis. The point is, what does it really matter? It's a flap of skin. I was circumcised and I don't notice a difference because it's always been this way. So what's the problem?[/QUOTE] the problem is that you're doing something without said person's consent. if they want an aesthetic change on their own body then it is them and them alone who can make that choice. I have no right to tell someone what cosmetic surgery should be performed on them. yes it matters. it's also a traumatizing experience for the kids and they go into shock when it happens. even if you can't remember that would you really want to allow that to be done on your own child? [editline]2nd October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32556889]Because, some women find uncircumcised penises gross. I've seen one in my life and was disgusted.[/QUOTE] you're shallow
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;32584522]They don't go into shock.. shock would imply that one of 2 things happened: catastrophic loss of blood pressure, or spinal damage. Also, yes, I did have my child circumcised.. due to family history of foreskin problems.[/QUOTE] actually yes, they can and do go into neurogenic shock
it's really well studied in females and hardly in males. here's an article I found [url]http://hpq.sagepub.com/content/7/3/329.short[/url]
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;32584872]Actually.. since it's happened for 4 generations.. its safe to say that it WILL happen. Of course i could just have put him through the pain that i had to suffer through. 3 years of doctors trying various steroid creams and stretches.. ignoring the fact that I was asking for a circ.. those were good times, your right i should have totally just let my kid suffer instead of doing it when he wouldn't remember.[/QUOTE] He's going to suffer for it in the future when he gets much less pleasure from sex when his dick is desensitized.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;32584928]Slightly less pleasure is far less of a price to pay. There where many nights before my circ that I went without sleep thanks to a foreskin that was far too tight, that coupled with a few UTI's made the decision pretty easy actually.[/QUOTE] But it isn't your decision to make. You should have seen if he had issues before you cut part of his body off.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;32584872]Actually.. since it's happened for 4 generations.. its safe to say that it WILL happen. Of course i could just have put him through the pain that i had to suffer through. 3 years of doctors trying various steroid creams and stretches.. ignoring the fact that I was asking for a circ.. those were good times, your right i should have totally just let my kid suffer instead of doing it when he wouldn't remember.[/QUOTE] Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient to say that circumcision should be practised at birth. Yes, [i]some[/i] people develop medical conditions that require circumcision, but the number of those who don't enormously outweigh those who do. The vast majority of the world's population isn't circumcised at birth, and never needs to be. I could apply the same line of logic to things like appendectomies, or tonsillectomies, or any number of medical treatments completely covering the range between minor procedure and major operation. The fact of the matter is it's just not practical, or reasonable to pre-emptively perform medical procedures or operations because 1 in 10000 people are going to unfortunately develop a legitimate reason for it to happen. That's not the way our civilised, western society works. The majority rules. If 72% of people NEEDED circumcisions later on in life then I'd certainly recommend it be done at birth, however that is certainly not the case an as such it's unnecessary.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32584449]you're shallow[/QUOTE] How is personal preference being shallow?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;32584982]That's a pretty vague source. Granted I do agree that it probably does happen, I just don't think that it happens in significantly high amounts. we're talking low amounts, less than 1%[/QUOTE] seeing as how little it's studied and no evidence against the phenomenon it can't really be said how often it happens. It could be low or 50-90% but we don't know. yes it's a bit vague
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32585040]it's like disliking someone because of the shape of their ears.[/QUOTE] I don't dislike people if their penis is ugly. I just don't want to have sex with them.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32584991]How is personal preference being shallow?[/QUOTE] because you find it disgusting? it's the same as saying a skin color is disgusting. shallow because it's such a minimal thing to be disturbed so much by.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32584991]How is personal preference being shallow?[/QUOTE] It's shallow in the same vein as saying "I only date white chicks" is shallow (and racist). Just because it's your personal opinion doesn't mean it's free from all negative attributes.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32585051]I don't dislike people if their penis is ugly. I just don't want to have sex with them.[/QUOTE] How fucking daft are you?
-snip, was a joke got taken seriously-
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32585078]It's a penis, of course it's ugly. It wasn't designed to attract the opposite sex, it was designed to make babies.[/QUOTE] Hoo boy, what did you just start.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32585089]Not daft enough to use a mac.[/QUOTE] Do we really need to go into personal attacks here?
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;32585103]Do we really need to go into personal attacks here?[/QUOTE] I found being called daft a personal attack, hun.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32585078]It's a penis, of course it's ugly. It wasn't designed to attract the opposite sex, it was designed to make babies.[/QUOTE] Actually, some people like penises. Just sayin'. Carry on.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32585089]Not daft enough to use a mac.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ, are you kidding me, your only argument against me is my OS?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32585107]I didn't start anything, Funktastic did by having a mac, apparently. Which is a stupid thing to argue over.[/QUOTE] No, you said that penises weren't made to attract the opposite sex. That is exactly what they were made for.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32585113]I found being called daft a personal attack, hun.[/QUOTE] I'm calling you daft because you're an ignorant fool that won't have relationships with people because of a tiny piece of skin on their genitals.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32585113]I found being called daft a personal attack, hun.[/QUOTE] dont talk down to people it's rude
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;32585053]The majority does rule, your absolutly right. that's why the majority of the people in the west are circumsized, and that's why it continues to be legal.[/QUOTE] No, they're not. 'America' does not constitute 'western society'. Australia, a country which is about as far East as you can get on most maps is a western country. Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales are all western countries. France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, Spain, basically any European country you want to pick is considered a 'western country'. And the incidence of circumcision at birth for the vast majority of these countries is exceedingly low. You also twisted my words. The majority rules (or rather should rule, as that's not always the case) when it's justified. Random circumcisions to combat infections or defects that have an incidence of 0.01% in the population are NOT justified in any way at all. Even if the incidence was 30% I wouldn't consider them justified because 7/10 of them would be completely pointless. At the moment, in AMERICA circumcisions are the standard, but for what reason? It's an arbitrary standard. It's got very little reasonable founding.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32585160]No they weren't, your face and the rest of your body was, if your genitals were made to attract mates they wouldn't be so odd looking compared to everything else, there's a reason men like women's hips and boobs and women like men's body's in general. If it was all in your penis some random nerd with a badass looking dick would have all the ladies.[/QUOTE] I'm telling you now, dicks can be attractive.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32585160]No they weren't, your face and the rest of your body was, if your genitals were made to attract mates they wouldn't be so odd looking compared to everything else, there's a reason men like women's hips and boobs and women like men's body's in general. If it was all in your penis some random nerd with a badass looking dick would have all the ladies.[/QUOTE] If we still lived without clothes, yes he infant would.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;32585135]I'm calling you daft because you're an ignorant fool that won't have relationships with people because of a tiny piece of skin on their genitals.[/QUOTE] I never said that. I said that I just prefer it to be cut.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32585187]I never said that. I said that I just prefer it to be cut.[/QUOTE] But you acted all weird when we asked YOU if YOU were cut, and when some of us said that they preferred circumcised women, you got all defensive.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;32585200]you got all defensive.[/QUOTE] No I didn't.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;32585194]Alright, but it's not the main thing, your not basing your entire attraction to someone on their dick.[/QUOTE] No, you're right about that. It's more of a bonus than anything.
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