• Circumcision
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^ Prevention doesn't happen though. Americans are mostly circumcised. The United States has a higher HIV rate than EVERY majority uncut nation. Where was this prevention in Americans? explain? You like every other Pro-Circ crazy are using old logic that does not apply to modern human societies anymore. Circumcision does not prevent HIV, if you have a problem with cleaning yourself, then that is a problem of your own, and NOT your foreskin. You might as well take all of your teeth out and every single thing that needs constant maintenance because you don't want to be bothered with cleaning it, that is your logic. [QUOTE=Aerkhan;37357272] We did because it [b]had[/b], but no longer does have an use.[/QUOTE] His logic is not so different from your own. Using old hygiene crap that probably would have been relevent in the stone age but not now lol.
That's all fine, but can you show me a study stating the benefits?
The idea that uncut is cleaner comes from a study that was conducted in Africa which showed that men with circumcisions were less HIV positive then those without. [url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110728111545.htm[/url] However, because it was conducted in Africa this would actually make sense because cleaning facilities are somewhat lacking. The bottom line comes to whether you get regular check ups and actually clean the head of the penis, if you do those, you're in the clear for the most part. You also have to practice safe sex.
i am circumcised and wish i wasn't, surgery for religious purposes should be illegal to perform on anyone who cant say weather they want it or not (except in times of medical emergency), just pointing religion out cause it seems to be the largest cause of circumcision. My parents had me circumcised at birth because they feared me being made fun of in school which to me is ridiculous. the human body came with foreskin so why not leave it the way it is?
~ Studies have long shown that when babies are not circumcised, where the foreskin on the tip of the penis is removed, they are at risk for health problems in the long run. Bacteria and viruses can get trapped in the extra layers of skin left on the penis. Research has found that circumcision reduces the number of infant urinary tract infections. Men who are uncircumcised are more at-risk for cancer-causing HPV, HIV, herpes, bacterial vaginitis and other sexually transmitted diseases, studies have found. The Hopkins researchers, who published their results online in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, say the cost to treat these long-term health problems is putting extra financial strain on the medical system. The majority of the costs are in the treatment of HIV, the study found.~ [url]http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-08-20/health/bs-hs-circumcision-economics-study-20120820_1_male-circumcision-circumcision-research-center-medical-costs[/url] While not irrefutable, at the very least there seems to be a statistical correlation where circumcision= less health problems/ less health care expenses
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;37374658]~ Studies have long shown that when babies are not circumcised, where the foreskin on the tip of the penis is removed, they are at risk for health problems in the long run. Bacteria and viruses can get trapped in the extra layers of skin left on the penis. Research has found that circumcision reduces the number of infant urinary tract infections. Men who are uncircumcised are more at-risk for cancer-causing HPV, HIV, herpes, bacterial vaginitis and other sexually transmitted diseases, studies have found. The Hopkins researchers, who published their results online in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, say the cost to treat these long-term health problems is putting extra financial strain on the medical system. The majority of the costs are in the treatment of HIV, the study found.~ [url]http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-08-20/health/bs-hs-circumcision-economics-study-20120820_1_male-circumcision-circumcision-research-center-medical-costs[/url] While not irrefutable, at the very least there seems to be a statistical correlation where circumcision= less health problems/ less health care expenses[/QUOTE] Yeah, but this doesn't take into account that if shower on a daily basis(which you should) and you pull back the foreskin(which you should) then there aren't issues.
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;37357272] It can, but it doesn't [b]have[/b] to. That's like saying "I'M NEVER GOING TO EAT AGAIN BECAUSE I CAN GET POISONED!!!1!11!!" [/QUOTE] Yeah but you need to eat to live My whole point was that it's not needed and can (and does) have negative effects. [quote] Prevention is better then curing. AIDS (or HIV) isn't only spread by sex. [/quote] This point has literally zero to do with foreskin
Foreskin serves as a vital component of your penis. It prevents it from shafting, and its an outer shell that protects like a womans hymen. Yet they cut womens hymens in the middle east etc areas we call it mutilation yet when we cut the same skin that serves THE EXACT SAME Purpose they call it ethical, and legal. Give me a break FP.
[QUOTE=TParlour;32427357]Are there any real benefits of circumcision for people who live in developed countries and practice safe sex?[/QUOTE] You can get into the porn industry easier.
[QUOTE=Gunny;37415121]You can get into the porn industry easier.[/QUOTE] ...and the benefits detailed in the article a few posts up/ post#621
I'm sorta split on this. From a hygenic point of view, I'd say circumcision all the way, but for sex, I'd go uncircumcised Personally, I'm circumcised, and I'd hate to have to keep an uncut hose clean. But from what I've heard, your head is more sensitive with a foreskin.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;37282170]By the logic that not remembering it makes it OK, I could hit you in the head with a baseball bat and castrate you and it'd be fine.[/QUOTE] That's the least intelligent comparison I've ever heard, one actually affects your life to a great degree, whereas the other has effects that are unimportant, or the effects are so little its actually arguable that they exist at all.
[QUOTE=Clementine;37420771]That's the least intelligent comparison I've ever heard, one actually affects your life to a great degree, whereas the other has effects that are unimportant, or the effects are so little its actually arguable that they exist at all.[/QUOTE] See: [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36950272]You're totally right! It's a safe and regular procedure! Best of all, [url=http://robinhl.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/botched-circumcision.jpg]nothing[/url] [url=http://www.oocities.org/stopric/botchedcircum.jpg]can[/url] [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NeS7jvIDK-w/Tsh3wKVvjmI/AAAAAAAAABI/L3TrViKytuQ/s1600/Picture+009.jpg]go[/url] [url=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--MQMq1kJZnU/TslG8rWKo_I/AAAAAAAAAEw/2850SQjwPaM/s1600/Ripped+Stitch+3.jpg]wrong![/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pasalaqcua;37429994]See:[/QUOTE] It's called Murphy's Law. Everything can go wrong. When I'm eating soup I can accidently spill hot soup over my dick and ruin it forever. Something as simple as walking can gowrong. Only idiots have a 'NOTHING WILL GO WRONG' mentality. [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37383325]Yeah but you need to eat to live My whole point was that it's not needed and can (and does) have negative effects. This point has literally zero to do with foreskin[/QUOTE] So does eating. It can get you obese. Circumcision has positive permanent effects, which you forgot. [QUOTE=H8Entitlement;37374658]~ Studies have long shown that when babies are not circumcised, where the foreskin on the tip of the penis is removed, they are at risk for health problems in the long run. Bacteria and viruses can get trapped in the extra layers of skin left on the penis. Research has found that circumcision reduces the number of infant urinary tract infections. Men who are uncircumcised are more at-risk for cancer-causing HPV, HIV, herpes, bacterial vaginitis and other sexually transmitted diseases, studies have found. The Hopkins researchers, who published their results online in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine, say the cost to treat these long-term health problems is putting extra financial strain on the medical system. The majority of the costs are in the treatment of HIV, the study found.~ [url]http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-08-20/health/bs-hs-circumcision-economics-study-20120820_1_male-circumcision-circumcision-research-center-medical-costs[/url] While not irrefutable, at the very least there seems to be a statistical correlation where circumcision= less health problems/ less health care expenses[/QUOTE] As with anything, babies are more vulnerable to disease/health risks. [QUOTE=Lysafris;37362971]i am circumcised and wish i wasn't, surgery for religious purposes should be illegal to perform on anyone who cant say weather they want it or not (except in times of medical emergency), just pointing religion out cause it seems to be the largest cause of circumcision. My parents had me circumcised at birth because they feared me being made fun of in school which to me is ridiculous. the human body came with foreskin so why not leave it the way it is?[/QUOTE] Can relate to this, religious/cultural circumcision is bullshit. For prevention/it being more hygienic is the only acceptable reason. Fear of being bullied in school is even more crap. [QUOTE=Swilly;37360407]The idea that uncut is cleaner comes from a study that was conducted in Africa which showed that men with circumcisions were less HIV positive then those without. [url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110728111545.htm[/url] However, because it was conducted in Africa this would actually make sense because cleaning facilities are somewhat lacking. The bottom line comes to whether you get regular check ups and actually clean the head of the penis, if you do those, you're in the clear for the most part. You also have to practice safe sex.[/QUOTE] Uncut being cleaner (not including the ~~ANTI GAY AIDS~~) comes from (mostly) that there can't get dirt under your skin. [QUOTE=Wilde;37359786]^ Prevention doesn't happen though. Americans are mostly circumcised. The United States has a higher HIV rate than EVERY majority uncut nation. Where was this prevention in Americans? explain? You like every other [B]Pro-Circ crazy[/B] are using old logic that does not apply to modern human societies anymore. Circumcision does not prevent HIV, if you have a problem with cleaning yourself, then that is a problem of your own, and NOT your foreskin. You might as well take all of your teeth out and every single thing that needs constant maintenance because you don't want to be bothered with cleaning it, that is your logic. excuse me? except that the teeth still has a purpose. modern society is clean enough (in the west, that is) for the foreskin to be rudimentary. oh, just so you know, I was circumcised not because religion/culture/whatever, but because my foreskin was too tight. [QUOTE=Wilde;37359786] His logic is not so different from your own. Using old hygiene crap that probably would have been relevent in the stone age but not now lol.[/QUOTE] Except that in the stone age we weren't that focused on hygiene as we are now, so the foreskin was handy in not getting your dick infected.
Might I point out that washing your penis isn't as simple as pouring hot water over it You have to pull back the foreskin fully and wash it vigorously, it isn't going to snap. I'm going to go ahead and cut off my earlobes because that removes the possibility of dirt getting behind them (I don't have earlobes but you get the point)
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;37446112]Might I point out that washing your penis isn't as simple as pouring hot water over it You have to pull back the foreskin fully and wash it vigorously, it isn't going to snap. I'm going to go ahead and cut off my earlobes because that removes the possibility of dirt getting behind them (I don't have earlobes but you get the point)[/QUOTE] you don't have earlobes?
Fuck it, you guys won. You guys only listen to the negatives, not positives. [QUOTE=Avanti;37447631]you don't have earlobes?[/QUOTE] Some people don't.
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;37443911]So does eating. It can get you obese. Circumcision has positive permanent effects, which you forgot.[/QUOTE] This is a horrible analogy. There is no circumcision in moderation or to an extreme, it's either foreskin or not.
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;37452495]Fuck it, you guys won. You guys only listen to the negatives, not positives.[/QUOTE] But the negatives greatly outweigh the positives.
[QUOTE=Avanti;37447631]you don't have earlobes?[/QUOTE] Genetics, noone in my family does
I don't see why parents should make an informed decision for their children, let them wait til they're 16 or so and let them decide. I'm uncut, never would think of it being the other way around.
i just wanna say, circumcision is far less complicated to do at/near birth than later on, and has been proven to prevent urinary tract infections in new borns as for calling it mutilation, its not rly hurting anything also its a religious tradition so...
We have debunked the urinary tract infection argument many times. The foreskin protects the penis from dust and other alien bodies. It's not useless like the appendix. And your third argument of it being a religious tradition, the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment states that a child's health should be protected, they should be allowed life, liberty and pursuit of happiness independent of what their parents' religious beliefs are. I still don't get it why are parents allowed to circumcise their kids.
i was circumcised at birth, my dad was against it but my grandpa had it done. i thought every penis looked like mine for the longest time, but im happy with it. it's not like i knew they cut some shit off my penis when i was a few days old. my girl loves my weiner so im happy. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating" - Megafan))[/highlight]
... The urinary tract infection comes because newborns dont clean themselves daily and even the best parents can miss cleaning well, thus baby gets sick, diapers TRAP shit and keep dirt out. Also apparently this topic has no moderates, only tea or death
[url=http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/08/27/3576889.htm]This just in.[/url] I'd like to know your comments on it.
Well im uncut and im still alive so it cant be all that bad. I hear the arguement that it can make sex more dangerous if you dont clean it but so is anything really, like not washing your hands before you eat, its really a lack of common sense or hygiene. Also I hear you dont need lube when you masturbate because the extra skin means you can pull with ease, So im quite glad im not cut.
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that article is one among many that are the reason why we are seeing outbreaks of common, curable disseases such as mumps and whooping cough, because dumb people make dumb parents
Makes masturbation soooo much more enjoyable when uncircumcised.
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