[QUOTE=DanTehMan;32437781]Before you said that there was There is a difference between complete removal and a cut.
It says right there that it was cut in that percentage, not that it was completely removed. Obviously it's going to have to be cut in order to sever it's ties to the foreskin. I just find it funny that you're trying to tell me everyone who has been circumcised lost this part of their body and I can tell you I still very much have mine.
And how do you know that the other doctors are only supporting doctors if you said so yourself that you can not directly view the article?[/QUOTE]
you haven't answered my question i have given you. i'm still waiting for sources to those claims that "smegma is the leading cause of infections of the penis", by the way.
i said loss of the entire frenulum in many cases, if you'd go back and read what i've said. i didn't say it was always cut. we are just nitpicking right now and its pissing me off that you are running around the question i'm trying to give youwhile you're basically saying "OH WELL UHHH DURRRR DA FRENULUM WASN'T ALWAYS CUT DURPA DURP".
also, when you are circumcised, OF COURSE YOU LOOSE PART OF YOUR BODY! YOU LOOSE YOUR FUCKING FORESKIN! THAT IS PART OF YOUR PENIS! THIS ISN'T AN EARLOBE OR SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT!
read this:
[QUOTE=Fart Commander]i honestly couldn't care less that some guy has a little less sensitivity than me, but circumcision can never be justified for how its performed on infants without their consent.[/quote]
i don't even want to bother to circlejerk about this bullshit because half of it is totally mixed, there is no way to know for sure if circumcision causes nerve damage in all people unless we band at least 1,000 doctors together to do some really boring and stupid experiment for a few years to see the nerve damage from birth.
now answer my question.
Fart commander knows way too much about the penis
There was a massive outcry when it was discovered some African tribes were performing female circumcisions on children, why isn't there the same reaction for male circumcision?
[QUOTE=Arsonist;32441912]There was a massive outcry when it was discovered some African tribes were performing female circumcisions on children, why isn't there the same reaction for male circumcision?[/QUOTE]
Female circumcisions make a much more lasting effect than male circumcisions, iirc. They cut off the clitoris and parts of the labia, which pretty much makes it impossible for a girl to orgasm without penetration.
Guys still can. I don't approve of circumcision being done for non-medical reasons before the kid can make an informed decision about it, but it's not as huge a problem as female circumcisions.
When I was young I had to do circumcision because I contracted an infection on the foreskin
The infection hurted as hell, so the circumcision was a huge relief, I never seen nothing wrong with circumcision, just when the child can't voice his choice
Except that my dick looks fucking ugly as hell, my sex life and masturbation is great, its still has a high sensibility
I'm against people doing it to their child when the child can't voice his opinion.
It's like those goddamn parents that get their 3/4 year old daughter's ears pierced.
[QUOTE=healthpoint;32442278]I'm against people doing it to their child when the child can't voice his opinion.
It's like those goddamn parents that get their 3/4 year old daughter's ears pierced.[/QUOTE]
That reminds me of that chinese foot binding thing, horrible thing that is too.
also circumcised penises look nicer in my opinion.
I wash under my foreskin every day and it still smells like fish :(
So an uncircumcised penis looks like a sausage in a tube sock when it's soft and both kinds of penises look the same hard, what's the big deal?
Maybe circumcise if they have that issue with foreskin opening being too small but beyond that let it be the kid's choice when they're old enough.
For the record I'm circumcised and I don't really care for either or. It's just like, a penis. They look almost identical when hard, so what's it really matter?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;32444206]So an uncircumcised penis looks like a sausage in a tube sock when it's soft and both kinds of penises look the same hard, what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]
Mine still looks like a sausage in a tube sock when it's hard.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;32444206]So an uncircumcised penis looks like a sausage in a tube sock when it's soft and both kinds of penises look the same hard, what's the big deal?
Maybe circumcise if they have that issue with foreskin opening being too small but beyond that let it be the kid's choice when they're old enough.
For the record I'm circumcised and I don't really care for either or. It's just like, a penis. They look almost identical when hard, so what's it really matter?[/QUOTE]
Uncircumcised penises can vary quite significantly in appearance. Some people's foreskin is much longer than others and it makes it look a little like a wizard hat, others resemble a naked mole rat. I wouldn't say that, when erect, circumcised and uncircumcised penises look the same but in some cases when the person has naturally short foreskin they do.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;32442915]also circumcised penises look nicer in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Penises look ugly both circumcised and uncircumcised. One just has less skin.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;32445486]Uncircumcised penises can vary quite significantly in appearance. Some people's foreskin is much longer than others and it makes it look a little like a wizard hat, others resemble a naked mole rat. I wouldn't say that, when erect, circumcised and uncircumcised penises look the same but in some cases when the person has naturally short foreskin they do.[/QUOTE]
That's true. God needs to update the foreskin module or some shit. For some people it's a hassle (in which case circumcision is useful.)
[QUOTE=Fart Commander;32439592]you haven't answered my question i have given you. i'm still waiting for sources to those claims that "smegma is the leading cause of infections of the penis", by the way.
i said loss of the entire frenulum in many cases, if you'd go back and read what i've said. i didn't say it was always cut. we are just nitpicking right now and its pissing me off that you are running around the question i'm trying to give youwhile you're basically saying "OH WELL UHHH DURRRR DA FRENULUM WASN'T ALWAYS CUT DURPA DURP".
also, when you are circumcised, OF COURSE YOU LOOSE PART OF YOUR BODY! YOU LOOSE YOUR FUCKING FORESKIN! THAT IS PART OF YOUR PENIS! THIS ISN'T AN EARLOBE OR SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT!
read this:
i don't even want to bother to circlejerk about this bullshit because half of it is totally mixed, there is no way to know for sure if circumcision causes nerve damage in all people unless we band at least 1,000 doctors together to do some really boring and stupid experiment for a few years to see the nerve damage from birth.
now answer my question.[/QUOTE]
Your right, I haven't answered your question because I've been too busy completely dominating the points you've been making. And as I quoted, you specifically said [quote]4. loss of the entire frenulum
should be common knowledge that the frenulum gets cut off from circumcision.[/quote]
And I'm glad we can agree that when you cut something off of your body you indeed cut something off of your body. Thank you captain obvious.
My point was not researched and was wrong. Smegma is not the cause of infections, it just causes inflammation and irritability, and could be a factor in penile cancer.
[url]http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/penile_disorders/hic_disorders_of_the_penis.aspx[/url]
[quote]Penile cancer
A rare form of cancer, penile cancer occurs when abnormal cells in the penis divide and grow uncontrolled. Certain benign (non-cancerous) tumors may progress and become cancer.
Circumcision—Men who are not circumcised at birth have a higher risk for getting cancer of the penis.
Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection—HPVs are a group of more than 70 types of viruses that can cause warts (papillomas). Certain types of HPVs can infect the reproductive organs and the anal area. These types of HPVs are passed from one person to another during sexual contact.
Smoking—Smoking exposes the body to many cancer-causing chemicals that affect more than the lungs.
Smegma—Oily secretions from the skin can accumulate under the foreskin of the penis. The result is a thick, bad-smelling substance called smegma. If the penis is not cleaned thoroughly, the presence of smegma can cause irritation and inflammation.
Phimosis—This is a condition in which the foreskin becomes constricted and difficult to retract.
Treatment for psoriasis—The skin disease psoriasis is sometimes treated with a combination of medication and exposure to ultraviolet light.
Age—Most cases of penile cancer occur in men over age 50.[/quote]
I had misplaced smegma as the cause of infections when you are uncircumcised. However I still stand behind the fact that being uncircumcised can lead to infections.
[url]http://www.circinfo.net/why_the_foreskin_increases_infection_risk.html[/url]
[QUOTE=DanTehMan;32447102]Your right, I haven't answered your question because I've been too busy completely dominating the points you've been making. And as I quoted, you specifically said
And I'm glad we can agree that when you cut something off of your body you indeed cut something off of your body. Thank you captain obvious.
My point was not researched and was wrong. Smegma is not the cause of infections, it just causes inflammation and irritability, and could be a factor in penile cancer.
[url]http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/penile_disorders/hic_disorders_of_the_penis.aspx[/url]
I had misplaced smegma as the cause of infections when you are uncircumcised. However I still stand behind the fact that being uncircumcised can lead to infections.
[url]http://www.circinfo.net/why_the_foreskin_increases_infection_risk.html[/url][/QUOTE]
The interesting thing about that last article is that it puts a disclaimer regarding the secretions, and pheromones regarding the foreskin, but dismisses such claims as being "dubious" with a strange hint of irony. The problem with the debate of circumcision versus intact is that both sides are always presenting contradictory evidence towards each other, or at least that's what it's generally presented as.
I fail to see how any of this presented actually prove how an intact penis is more vulnerable than a cut one. I'd love to hear about these microorganisms that are mentioned, because I find the implications that circumcised men seem to be immune to bacteria and infections which you know, are everywhere around us and sometimes unavoidable rather funny..
[QUOTE=Dr. O;32436795]IMO saying "foreskin should be removed because it could get infected" is like saying "I should get my arm amputated because it might get tetanus"[/QUOTE]
Foreskin, however, is not a necessary organ as an arm is.
yeah that's not a fair comparison, amputated fingers is though.
or removed penis. I think I'd rather lose my penis than an arm though. Both would suck but at least with arms I can still play an instrument without having to relearn.
I don't know why this is such a hot topic for some people.
I'm circumcised, but I don't give a fuck. My life wouldn't be any different had I had an uncircumcised penis. It doesn't prevent me from ejaculating correctly, and quite honestly I'm just glad I don't have to worry about dick cheese as much.
But it really doesn't matter at all.
I had it done to me at birth, I hate it honestly.
If I ever did have kids, I would make sure they didn't have it done to them.
If you are cut, you lose sensitivity over time, since it is rubbing up against clothes and other things, compared to someone uncut in which the foreskin protects the head.
I could say more but...
thank god they dont do it in sweden or Did
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;32442915]also circumcised penises look nicer in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Pretty fucking irrelevent, idiot.
[QUOTE=flyguy88;32451444]Pretty fucking irrelevent, idiot.[/QUOTE]how so? Appearance is important.
I have large earlobes which gives me a higher chance for getting ear cancer.
Would you advise that I cut off my earlobes?
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[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;32451484]how so? Appearance is important.[/QUOTE]
Eye of the beholder.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;32451484]how so? Appearance is important.[/QUOTE]
Because it is so subjective, you'll come across alot of people who think it looks normal, or better in european countrys where it isn't performed, obviously if you only saw a circumcised dick your whole life you are going to think it looks better, but if you have only seen natural dicks your whole life and you saw a dick with the end cut off you would probably be pretty fucking suprised.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;32451599]I'm uncircumcised and damn proud of it. Apparently, they've outlawed it where I come from, or so I've heard.[/QUOTE]
What province are you from?
[QUOTE=flyguy88;32451529]Because it is so subjective, you'll come across alot of people who think it looks normal, or better in european countrys where it isn't performed, obviously if you only saw a circumcised dick your whole life you are going to think it looks better, but if you have only seen natural dicks your whole life and you saw a dick with the end cut off you would probably be pretty fucking suprised.[/QUOTE]erect there really isn't much of a difference with the exceptions of horrible deformities ie phimosis or circumcision scars
but a flaccid uncut penis looks like a turd in a sock
Apparently, when you people end up old and immobile, you'll piss yourself a lot. The piss stuck in your foreskin cause INCREDIBLY painful infections on the glans. It also removes some potential problems with the penis, such as phismosis. so, I'm in favor, if your 18 and want to do it, if parents want to do it, let them.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;32451693]erect there really isn't much of a difference with the exceptions of horrible deformities ie phimosis or circumcision scars
but a flaccid uncut penis looks like a turd in a sock[/QUOTE]
Yeah to you it does maybe, but don't you get it, that fucking doesn't matter at all.
Why dont' we talk about the suffering a baby has to go through while being circumsised for no fucking logical or real medical reason! That is probably the biggest bullshit of all here.
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[QUOTE=The Aussie;32451697]Apparently, when you people end up old and immobile, you'll piss yourself a lot. The piss stuck in your foreskin cause INCREDIBLY painful infections on the glans. It also removes some potential problems with the penis, such as phismosis. so, I'm in favor, if your 18 and want to do it, if parents want to do it, let them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.. Lets do medical precedures at birth that can cause trauma and suffering just to prevent a probably low chance of infection in the FAARRR future where you most likely will be rotting in the ground anyways.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;32449087]Foreskin, however, is not a necessary organ as an arm is.[/QUOTE]
Well how about we perform appendectomies at birth then? I mean you don't NEED your appendix and you COULD get appendicitis later on in life! Better safe than sorry, right?
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