[QUOTE=DualWeild;41883173]I suppose I am. Thanks for clarifying. So is there a name for my faith?[/QUOTE]
Opportunism.
As Ferris Bueller said "isms in my opinion are not good, a person shouldn't believe in an ism, they should believe in themselves"
that film taught me shit yo.
[QUOTE=DualWeild;41883268]I belive in God because it makes me feel secure, it makes me happy, and I've got nothing to lose by it.[/QUOTE]
Well depending on the religion you can lose your ability to do nothing on sundays and to eat bacon.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41885641]Well depending on the religion you can lose your ability to do nothing on sundays and to eat bacon.[/QUOTE]
Or otherwise run into limitations or beliefs that are contrary to the ones you naturally have.
[QUOTE=Noss;41885553]if god was real he'd be the most egotistical cunt in the history of the universe
aside from phil fish maybe[/QUOTE]
two things, why and who is phil fish?
[editline]18th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;41885434]Really?
What if the God that actually exists only sends atheists to Heaven and everyone else to Hell?
Oh shit, turns out Pascal's wager works both ways eh?[/QUOTE]
how? Please I want to hear this logic, sincerely.
[QUOTE=DualWeild;41883054]Atheism is idiocy. I belive in God just in case, if he's not real, he's not real. I've got nothing to lose by believing in a God.[/QUOTE]
That isn't what Christianity is about. True Christianity is not just a belief but a dedication. It is something you cannot separate from an individual who is truly devout. You clearly don't give a shit, so you best hope he isn't real.
[QUOTE=Skyward;41883104]Oh my God lol
This is something a kid says. If you choose to "believe" in something[I] just in case[/I], you don't believe in shit. Having a belief just because you're scared of what happens if you don't isn't a real faith.[/QUOTE]
He really is a youngin', he came into the drugs section asking about LSD for some report, it was quite a laugh while it lasted, now this is just the icing on the cake.
Lunacy. Possible delirium. Conspirator. Nut job. Could be any one, or more of these things; who knows?
[QUOTE=Beelzebub;41883380]nothing wrong with believing in god because yer afraid of the dude a lot of you need to chill out goddamn[/QUOTE]
The wisest post i've seen all day
The rest of you should chill out on imposing your idea of faith. Its not like any of you got it all figured out
i believe it's a term called all-theism coined by Chris Martin. I more or less think it's bullshit but
[editline]19th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;41890153]The wisest post i've seen all day
The rest of you should chill out on imposing your idea of faith. Its not like any of you got it all figured out[/QUOTE]
That post is in no way wise. It's not faith if you're only believing in a deity 'just in case' it exists. Faith is NOT a contingency plan for perdition. That is, I'd say, selfish and sacrilegious. You believe in a deity because you really do have faith that they are the intelligent designer of you, your world, your culture, your fate, everything, not because you don't want to go to hell.
I believe in Obamba.
Anyone else wanna join my church?
[QUOTE=Cabbage;41890167]i believe it's a term called all-theism coined by Chris Martin. I more or less think it's bullshit but
[editline]19th August 2013[/editline]
That post is in no way wise. It's not faith if you're only believing in a deity 'just in case' it exists. Faith is NOT a contingency plan for perdition. That is, I'd say, selfish and sacrilegious. You believe in a deity because you really do have faith that they are the intelligent designer of you, your world, your culture, your fate, everything, not because you don't want to go to hell.[/QUOTE]
The 'faith' that you are referring to is quite specific to some religion. If the OP does not have some degree of 'belief in 'creator'' already , he would not be afraid of going to hell.
I'd say people have different 'balance' on the the aspect of their faith. Some people believe just for the sake of appreciating whatever they are believing in. Some people may have a mix of appreciation, fear, or hoping for reward.
Whatever they are believing in, they'll have to fulfill a minimum requirement in order to be considered a member of that religion. As long as they do that, there's nothing wrong with trying to stay out of hell, or working to be accepted to heaven. Nothing wrong with incentives if his religion allows it.
Besides, OP is a 14 years old kid, chances are he's not starting with a full blown belief right away. No need to attack him right away
[QUOTE=J!NX;41883345]if there was a god, he sure wouldn't be a dick like people say
if he's all knowing and all loving, if you have good intentions and did your best, he's love you for that. Not send you to hell FOR ALL OF ETERNITY just because you were born gay or are black.[/QUOTE]
The notion of an all-loving,all-powerful and all-knowing god is quite contradictory since the following implies that god knew if you were going to hell or not before you were even born but didn't do a damn thing to prevent it or change it.
God knew you were going to hell yet he didn't stop it.(Not all-Loving)
God was powerless to change your fate as that would make him wrong(Not all-Powerful)
If God were to change your fate then that would make him wrong(Not All-Knowing)
Of course this is just coming from a 16-year old so I'm not sure how right I really am but I never really got an answer for this so yeah.Wondering if anybody on FP could try to prove me wrong.
Answering the question, if you're looking for an actual religion to follow that accepts that other religions are valid and point towards the same god, then have a look at this
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD[/url]
as a religious person I think the word OP is looking for is "coward"
[QUOTE=DualWeild;41883054]Atheism is idiocy. I belive in God just in case, if he's not real, he's not real. I've got nothing to lose by believing in a God.[/QUOTE]
Surely god will know you're just believing in him to get into heaven anyway. He would send you to hell for lying.
If God was real I bet that he'd let you into heaven, even if you didn't believe in him, if you were a good person, the premise that you have to believe in him to get into heaven is just plain fucking stupid.
Let's put it this way, say there's a christian who's doing good things but he only does them to get into heaven, and then there's this atheist who does good things because he actually wants to help, they get into the same taxi which accidentally drives off a cliff and into the ocean sending them to their watery graves.
Who do you think is more deserving to go to heaven? The Christian or The Atheist? Also disregard the driver, Michael Phelps was moonlighting for him.
i think more people on facepunch would fit in to areligion rather than atheism, atheism does [I]not[/I] mean without faith, just without god
[QUOTE=mikester112;41890866]If God was real I bet that he'd let you into heaven, even if you didn't believe in him, if you were a good person, the premise that you have to believe in him to get into heaven is just plain fucking stupid.
Let's put it this way, say there's a christian who's doing good things but he only does them to get into heaven, and then there's this atheist who does good things because he actually wants to help, they get into the same taxi which accidentally drives off a cliff and into the ocean sending them to their watery graves.
Who do you think is more deserving to go to heaven? The Christian or The Atheist? Also disregard the driver, Michael Phelps was moonlighting for him.[/QUOTE]
I think this question can't be answered by most people with religion, because the final decision will be made by their god. There're whole spectrum of atheism and religions which have different values to god. Judging people's fate (going to heaven or not) based on their 'religion label' is rather constrictives.
If I'm not mistaken there are verses that go with something like 'God will decide/judge upon what you all have argued', so i'd say its too early to send anybody to hell just yet
[QUOTE=mikester112;41890866]If God was real I bet that he'd let you into heaven, even if you didn't believe in him, if you were a good person, the premise that you have to believe in him to get into heaven is just plain fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]This.
If God only let believers into heaven and sent others to hell, he's a sadistic piece of shit. I am sure none of you want to worship someone who punishes simply because of disbelief.
However, if God is fair, forgiving and understanding, he would simply forgive non-believers for their mistake.
[QUOTE=DualWeild;41883054]Atheism is idiocy. I belive in God just in case, if he's not real, he's not real. I've got nothing to lose by believing in a God.[/QUOTE]
The day man can fool god. Man becomes god.
[QUOTE=id05245;41885838]two things, why and who is phil fish?
[editline]18th August 2013[/editline]
how? Please I want to hear this logic, sincerely.[/QUOTE]
If a God exists, who's to say he doesn't send atheists to eternal bliss and everybody else to eternal torture? Just by believing in a god you haven't necessarily covered all bases.
[QUOTE=DualWeild;41883054]Atheism is idiocy. I belive in God just in case, if he's not real, he's not real. I've got nothing to lose by believing in a God.[/QUOTE]
You also have nothing to lose by [I]not[/I] believing in a sky daddy
[editline]19th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=riki2cool;41890235]I believe in Obamba.
Anyone else wanna join my church?[/QUOTE]
ooh, ooh, we can hold it in my basement!
[QUOTE=Magic Scrumpy;41892247]
ooh, ooh, we can hold it in my basement![/QUOTE]
I'll bring the Kool-Aid. Stuffs great for religious meetings.
[QUOTE=Bumbanut;41891004]This.
If God only let believers into heaven and sent others to hell, he's a sadistic piece of shit. I am sure none of you want to worship someone who punishes simply because of disbelief.
However, if God is fair, forgiving and understanding, he would simply forgive non-believers for their mistake.[/QUOTE] The only question I have for this is.. what is the point of hell? Because anyone who had done wrong has the right to get into heaven. If they met god face to face after death, I would think like anyone else, they would repent and start worshipping him.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;41890235]I believe in Obamba.
Anyone else wanna join my church?[/QUOTE]
I thought I was the only follower of Obamba, but he sent me another one
Thanks Obamba
What if you believe that there is a God, but you also believe in things like evolution and dinosaurs and whatnot? And that it doesn't matter what your faith (or lack thereof) is, just that you're basically a good person? Is there a name for such a belief?
Yeah I guess it's called fuckface-itis
The problem is that different religions require different behaviours for you to be able to go to heaven. And they contradict each other.
Pascal's wager would only work if there was only one possible religion.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;41894865]What if you believe that there is a God, but you also believe in things like evolution and dinosaurs and whatnot? And that it doesn't matter what your faith (or lack thereof) is, just that you're basically a good person? Is there a name for such a belief?[/QUOTE]
That would be a form of deism (unless you believe that God actively interferes in the secular affairs of humans).
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