• America, propaganda, and socialism
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[QUOTE=Broni;26900927] I mean what is it.. I can't even remember the figure but most of the worlds wealth is held by below 10% of the population? That alone should speak volumes.. [/QUOTE] the top 10% (money wise) own 90% of America.
OP pretty much sums it up how it is. Oh, and the folks rating him boxes; pull your head out of your ass and start thinking for yourself without that glorious patriotism affecting the way you think, seriously.
[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;26911044]OP pretty much sums it up how it is. Oh, and the folks rating him boxes; pull your head out of your ass and start thinking for yourself without that glorious patriotism affecting the way you think, seriously.[/QUOTE] its not really patriotism its just that alot of us dont fucking care
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26902053]Democratic socialism is used by the countries ranked best in the world and that's all that needs to be said on the subject.[/QUOTE] Also used by some of the worst countries in the world Sorry buddy, as much as I agree; that's a terrible argument
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26911241]Also used by some of the worst countries in the world[/QUOTE] Such as?
@cheesedelux: It's hard to find a political thread (or any thread discussing controversial subjects) without finding a post like yours. You claim that "these threads never achieve anything," which in and of itself proves that you are missing the purpose of any form of rational discussion, which is just that: discussion. This is an internet forum, and we are free to [b]discuss[/b] whatever it is that we feel is worth debating. Additionally, I don't quite understand what you mean by "achieve anything." You say it as if you think I'm trying to change the world, when I only enjoy the practice of debating a topic. It builds intellect and speech skills, and can often open a mind to new things. If you don't like the idea of having an open debate that really has no intended goal to "achieve," then you'll probably be disappointed by a lot of the threads in GD. Most of the people who viewed this thread skimmed through the OP, donated a box, agreed with the first post, and left. They didn't take any time to contribute. I'm sure most of those people would agree with you that debate is pointless.
[QUOTE=Matix;26911609]@cheesedelux: It's hard to find a political thread (or any thread discussing controversial subjects) without finding a post like yours. You claim that "these threads never achieve anything," which in and of itself proves that you are missing the purpose of any form of rational discussion, which is just that: discussion. This is an internet forum, and we are free to [b]discuss[/b] whatever it is that we feel is worth debating. Additionally, I don't quite understand what you mean by "achieve anything." You say it as if you think I'm trying to change the world, when I only enjoy the practice of debating a topic. It builds intellect and speech skills, and can often open a mind to new things. If you don't like the idea of having an open debate that really has no intended goal to "achieve," then you'll probably be disappointed by a lot of the threads in GD. Most of the people who viewed this thread skimmed through the OP, donated a box, agreed with the first post, and left. They didn't take any time to contribute. I'm sure most of those people would agree with you that debate is pointless.[/QUOTE] My point is that there's a thread like this every couple of weeks and the same things are said every time, and this time I'm not in the mood for repeating myself. Granted this is one of the more well thought out ones with more content and structured argument, quite often they don't even touch on the stuff you mentioned and jump straight to the international level.
[QUOTE=Coffee;26911328]Such as?[/QUOTE] Zimbabwe for example
[QUOTE=cheesedelux;26911692]My point is that there's a thread like this every couple of weeks and the same things are said every time, and this time I'm not in the mood for repeating myself.[/QUOTE] Even if the same arguments are made, it will be different people making them. Just because it's been debated before, doesn't mean it should never be debated again.
[QUOTE=cheesedelux;26911692]My point is that there's a thread like this every couple of weeks and the same things are said every time, and this time I'm not in the mood for repeating myself. Granted this is one of the more well thought out ones with more content and structured argument, quite often they don't even touch on the stuff you mentioned and jump straight to the international level.[/QUOTE] Well it's not like you're forced to participate
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26902169]Funny how Americans think that can never work[/QUOTE] I know it would work, because that funding would go into helping our children and other social services our countrymen take for granted for free.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;26903227]Social Democratism is better.[/QUOTE] Social Democracy keeps the capitalistic means of production. [QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26911241]Also used by some of the worst countries in the world Sorry buddy, as much as I agree; that's a terrible argument[/QUOTE] Shit argument, the governments that adopt it and suck with it (i.e. Democratic Republic of Congo) are corrupt as hell, it has nothing to do with the ideology.
I wonder if America uses much propaganda?
[QUOTE=claythepro;26912286]I wonder if America uses much propaganda?[/QUOTE] Nowadays they don't, I think they burned the anti-Left propaganda into everybody's mind.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26912215]Shit argument, the governments that adopt it and suck with it (i.e. Democratic Republic of Congo) are corrupt as hell, it has nothing to do with the ideology.[/QUOTE] I never said it did. The countries that succeed with it are also way better off than others in terms of natural resources so I'm not sure that has to do with ideology either
Its funny how many facepunch users are afraid to discuss socialism, and are so quick to shit on people who give an open mind to socialism.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26912401]I never said it did. The countries that succeed with it are also way better off than others in terms of natural resources so I'm not sure that has to do with ideology either[/QUOTE] Nah, Zimbabwe has coal, gold, chromium, asbestos, nickel, copper, iron, tin and a shit load of diamonds. Source: CIA World Factbook
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26912511]Nah, Zimbabwe has coal, gold, chromium, asbestos, nickel, copper, iron, tin and a shit load of diamonds. Source: CIA World Factbook[/QUOTE] But also a corrupt government and few exporting corporations
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26912552]But also a corrupt government and few exports[/QUOTE] Yes, it's the governments fault, not the governments political ideology.
Shit post, ignore
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26912635]Well, that's essentially the same thing[/QUOTE] Not really. There's plenty of capitalist countries out there that are shitholes that I wouldn't live in, even though my country is Capitalist.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26912652]Not really. There's plenty of capitalist countries out there that are shitholes that I wouldn't live in, even though my country is Capitalist.[/QUOTE] Which is the exact point I was trying to make. Almost all idoelogies work to varying degrees and there are shitty and good countries using them
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26912716]Which is the exact point I was trying to make. Almost all idoelogies work to varying degrees and there are shitty and good countries using them[/QUOTE] Oh I see. Nevermind then.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26912635]Well, that's essentially the same thing[/QUOTE] Not really. A government is ran by the administration running it. The Political Ideology is what the government is founded on. Take Venezuela for example, founded on a Democracy for the most part, however it has an administration which some-how keeps getting re-elected, and their President is basically a dictator considering he can now pass laws by decree. A Political Ideology would be a Democracy, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, etc.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26912635]Well, that's essentially the same thing[/QUOTE] The government stealing and whoring money, and being oppressive has nothing to do with their parties ideologies.
[QUOTE=claythepro;26912286]I wonder if America uses much propaganda?[/QUOTE] I see it every day. It's in most of the things we see on TV. You have to look really hard to find balanced news programs, and I, like many others, usually just watch BBC instead.
[QUOTE=R3mix;26912744]Not really. A government is ran by the administration running it. The Political Ideology is what the government is founded on. Take Venezuela for example, founded on a Democracy for the most part, however it has an administration which some-how keeps getting re-elected, and their President is basically a dictator considering he can now pass laws by decree. A Political Ideology would be a Democracy, Fascism, Nazism, Communism, etc.[/QUOTE] I know that. Just ignore that terribly worded post and see the one above
[QUOTE=Matix;26912764]I see it every day. It's in most of the things we see on TV. You have to look really hard to find balanced news programs, and I, like many others, usually just watch BBC instead.[/QUOTE] Personally if I were you, I'd stop watching television if you're looking for news. Start reading the paper and online news sources. It's much easier to pick out the shit and read between the lines on the true facts and not opinion based crap like Fox News. [QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;26912716]Which is the exact point I was trying to make. Almost all idoelogies work to varying degrees and there are shitty and good countries using them[/QUOTE] No ideology has ever been put to use as it has meant to be. Everyone has their own formulated opinion on what a Democracy should be, but nobody really tends to follow exactly what's written on paper. Hence people like Marx have always said and I agree with him completely is the main fact: Communism is fantastic on paper, everyone is happy. Here's the problem though, nobody has really done it the way it's meant to be followed. Communism has never truly been put to use properly because of the people running the government behind it. If you had someone to follow proper protocol and procedure rather than question an authority don't you think things might run - just a bit smoother? Needless to say, this [b] does not mean that I agree with communism. [/b]
[QUOTE=Vasili;26906920]You do not rise to the top on your own, you rely on other people to get there.[/quote] I never said that you don't rely on other people. [quote] Further more, you would get nowhere without that state giving education system you were given (oh no dats socialisisisisisiist).[/quote] I never said anything about getting places in life because of education, so stop pulling shit out of your ass. [quote]Also nice generalization there with saying all people who think corporations should be regulated and pay fair taxes are just peasant stealing poor people who sponge off the government.[/quote] I never said anything about corporations paying fair taxes and being regulated. You again, are pulling shit out of your ass. [quote] You think just because a few companies give to charity (and even your so called 'millions' is just a figure off your head) there are a lot of bad things they get up to, especially in America.[/quote] A figure off of my head? Really? Just to name a few companies - [url=http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Google-Chrome-Chrome-for-a-Cause-Tabs-Donations-Charity,11815.html]Google[/url] [url=http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx]Bill Gates[/url] [url=http://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/community/does-coca-cola-support-any-particular-charities-community-projects.html]Coca-Cola[/url] [quote]Its a business looking for profit and they are always willing to cut corners to save a money or gain, there are plenty of examples of that I can give you too compared to their very [i]generous[/i] charity service (which is remarkable you don't get why they do that on the first place).[/QUOTE] Right now the USA is in a very poor economic situation as you should already know. Where a company has to cutback and try to find new ways to make money and to cut corners to make a profit. I know that there are some bad companies but there are also some very good ones which you don't seem to understand and you have the mindset that all big companies are evil and 'money for the people' etc. You see I was trying to get the point across that I believe that it is not right to take large company's money away from them.
I'm sorry but Canada has a better government
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