• Freedom vs Equality
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I wonder if I can apply for acting as a black women even though im a white male and sue when they say no. Well actually now that I think about it it explains white chicks and big mamas house. [QUOTE=TH89;30227206]Hmm, a forum of mostly white hetereosexual males thinks freedom is more important than equality Surely there is no connection[/QUOTE] Hey thats prejudice to the norm.
Hmm, a forum of mostly white hetereosexual males thinks freedom is more important than equality Surely there is no connection
I tried to connect it up but got an electrical shock.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;30226919]Are you trying to say HE/She/IT is equal to a homeless person ?[/quote] Morally and physically yes. Materially, no. [QUOTE=Itsjustguy;30226919]Or equal to the other gender ?[/quote] Yes, apart from some biological differences. [QUOTE=Itsjustguy;30226919]Equal to ALL ? Equally to WHAT ?! It's far more complicated then being school children.It depends on the context of the situation.Real life is too complicated to use EQUAL.[/quote] Equal to everybody else. All people should have equal rights. [QUOTE=Itsjustguy;30226919]How do you treat people equally and when ?[/quote] Respect everybody's rights, despite any differences they might have from other people. When? All the time. [QUOTE=Itsjustguy;30226919]By what measure are they EQUAL !?[/quote] I don't understand the question [QUOTE=Itsjustguy;30226919]One person is better then others.Denying it is stupid.[/quote] Better, yes, but being "better" at something doesn't mean you can have more rights than the people who are "worse"
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30226490] because we live in a patriarchy men are automatically put into niche roles regarding sex, so not hiring a male waitress at hooters because the patrons wont find him attractive [i]is[/i] discrimination. especially so because attractiveness isn't a proper qualification, you don't need to be attractive to take orders or bring out food. if you only hire attractive women for that role you are discriminating against ugly women and men based on how hard they make your dick.[/QUOTE] What I said. Your head. When the attractiveness of your employees directly affects sales, then yes, it is a proper qualification. If it was an office job or something unrelated to sex, then yes, choosing employees based off of appearance is discrimination. You're interjecting your own opinions into the argument and using them as if they are facts. It's your opinion that attractiveness is not a proper qualification. Just because you don't believe it's right doesn't mean that's the law of the land. Many businesses that depend entirely on the attractiveness of their employees (um, the porno business? Could they hire random ugly people and stay alive? No.) would disagree with you. If you think people go to Hooters just to get food, you're ridiculously naive. It's no secret that men go to Hooters to see girls in skimpy outfits. The only reason why men go to Hooters and buy their overpriced food is because of those girls. If Hooters hired anyone that could take orders or bring out food, the business would collapse overnight. Attractiveness [i]is[/i] a necessary qualification, it is not discrimination when they don't hire someone who is not qualified. Once again, just to reiterate for the last time, [b]it is not discrimination when someone is hired because they are more qualified to you. In a [i]sex-based business[/i], attractiveness is a qualification. Someone more attractive is more qualified.[/b] Yes, if an employer hired people based off of looks at a place like HEB or Wal-Mart, then it'd be discrimination. You have to realize that the world is not a "if this, then that" place. Most situations are context sensitive, as is the case in your argument. Attractiveness is a qualification in sex-based businesses like strip clubs, modeling, pornography, and so on. It is not discrimination when they hire someone who is more attractive and subsequently would better benefit the company.
[QUOTE=TH89;30227206]Hmm, a forum of mostly white hetereosexual males thinks freedom is more important than equality Surely there is no connection[/QUOTE] You hit the nail right on the head. Totally unbiased opinions we got right here.
[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;30226919]One person is better then others.Denying it is stupid.][/QUOTE] Better? What? Ofcourse some people are better than other people [i]at specific things[/i] and nobody is denying that. Nobody is better in general than another one though, because you may not have the same idea as I do of what is good and not good.
You're calling out businesses and claiming that they are not supporting freedom. [b]They're fucking businesses[/b] There are no regulations against their hiring procedures. If they make more profit by hiring a white actor for a character that is white in the book, then they will hire him.
But seriously though, I believe that no matter what I believe, look like, own, or do, I'm just as equal to you or anyone else. I believe that I have inalienable rights that you or me can not take away. We deserve food, shelter, love, happiness. I deserve just as much as a black man, a homeless man, a woman, a Muslim, a Jew, a mentally handicapped person, and anyone else. We all need to be free to do what we want whenever we want as long as it doesn't harm others.
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;30225030]jobs that run off tips pay like 2-3 dollars an hour and the tips fill in the rest. if you don't make above minimum wage with tips the company HAS TO pay up the difference. you shouldnt feel bad about not tipping because they'll make minimum wage no matter what[/QUOTE] pole dancing is really hard you know they probably have more strength than those who are watching them almost 99% of the time lol [editline]3rd June 2011[/editline] i want equality more why should a man or woman starve on the streets because they don't have a piece of cloth given worth for no reason
I think equality among races is important. However, I think it's silly to expect [b]pure[/b] equality in other aspects. For example, with men and women. Pure equality would mean shared restrooms, all sports/activities would no longer be divided, either men would be allowed maternity leave or women would be denied it, the list goes on. Equality amongst classes wouldn't work either. That would mean everyone gets taxed exactly the same. Everyone receives the same treatment, no VIP or upper-class areas on airplanes or in hotels, that list goes on for a while too. I'm all for treating all people respectfully, but it seems that people don't really want true equality. What people want is to pick and choose areas to be equal and areas to be different. The average woman is all for being paid and employed equally, but if you told her that means sacrificing maternity leave (not counting the time she spends in the hospital) or sharing a dressing room/restroom with men, she'd say fuck that. Human nature will prevent us from ever having true equality. The mere fact that we have egos and personal agendas will always make it impossible. The average person will always put their own wants and needs ahead of the wants and needs of others. I don't like how the world is, and if I could snap my fingers, magically making everyone equal and happy, I would. But nobody can do that. You could bitch and complain about how wrong it is, but that wouldn't change anything. Let me ask you, how would you solve these problems? I dare you to think up a solution for equality that doesn't fuck at least one race, social class, or general group of people in the ass. No matter what you think of, you're going to expect at least one group of people to take one for the team, which is too much to ask of human beings. Yes, altruistic people exist, but they do not (and never will) represent the majority. Expecting humans to share the wealth is just outright naive. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for supporting/helping the poor and equal employment. [i]Reasonable[/i] equality, a "close enough" kind of thing. Expecting [i]pure[/i] equality where everyone has the same opportunities is unrealistic.
We deserve to be equally free.
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They have to look at their resume and keep it on file for a certain amount of time, but they are not required to hire anyone.
an armless man can't get a job as a professional basketball player. discrimination
Everyone who votes equality is a communist
I go to Hooters for the food
[QUOTE=Black Milano;30229510]Everyone who votes equality is a communist[/QUOTE] Anyone who votes at all is a moron because it's a false dilemma with biased options created by an OP who is more interested in forcing his dumb opinions on FP than encouraging legitimate discussion
[QUOTE=TH89;30232515]Anyone who votes at all is a moron because it's a false dilemma with biased options created by an OP who is more interested in forcing his dumb opinions on FP than encouraging legitimate discussion[/QUOTE] It does seem like a ridiculous discussion we've got here.
If you have freedom, then you have equality... They're in theory hand in hand. I call someone a retard, they call me a polish fuck-nut. Equal rights to make fun of each other, as well as the freedom of speech. What makes people not-equal though is the disruption of the natural balance, and people calling, "WELL HE CALLED ME (racial term), AND I FIND IT OFFENSIVE! I DEMAND EQUAL RIGHTS" What this promotes is segergation for both parties... First off the person who feels offended is attempting to gain rights which disrupt the natural balance of social equality[such as censorship], the person who is the so called 'offender' is being restricted of their freedom of speech therefore they loose their ability to be equally challenging to the offended... It's a very, very cycle-like scenario which is always bound to repeat as long as someone finds a reason to offend the other person to make themselves feel better. This is for social equality though... Not much I can say for living quality, and such.
It's like if I made a thread about how Democrats are stupid and attached a poll that said "which are you: Republican or Big Fat Stupie Head"
Hey he's just asking a superficial meaningless question, nothing serious. So who cares about the poll quality. And besides, this is the fucking internet, what do you expect.
[QUOTE=Black Milano;30233343]Hey he's just asking a superficial meaningless question, nothing serious. So who cares about the poll quality. And besides, this is the fucking internet, what do you expect.[/QUOTE] Because the results of a biased poll doesn't actually represent what people think, which defeats the purpose of having a poll.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30233378]Because the results of a biased poll doesn't actually represent what people think, which defeats the purpose of having a poll.[/QUOTE] [del]Dude, this is Facepum, things that don't make sense and don't have purpose are the order of the day. You can't ask for seriousness.[/del] Sorry, i'm a bit dazed.
[QUOTE=Black Milano;30233446]Dude, this is Fast Threads, things that don't make sense and don't have purpose are the order of the day. You can't ask for seriousness.[/QUOTE] Uh, it's placed in GD, not in Fast Threads, so I can ask for seriousness.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;30222664]There are no black hobbits. And no, the actors were not six foot tall.[/QUOTE] The guy who played Gimli is 6'1" though.
[QUOTE=Squall;30222723]You do realize that some people are naturally short, also, midgets. Also, there are real life dwarfs that they could cast as the role of dwarfs.[/QUOTE] It's probably already been stated, but just in case it hasn't been: The vast majority of dwarves in real life aren't very... proportional. Their limbs are normally quite stumpy compared to their body. It simply wouldn't be feasible to hire someone like that to carry out the roles demanded of the characters.
[QUOTE=sltlamina;30238352]It's probably already been stated, but just in case it hasn't been: The vast majority of dwarves in real life aren't very... proportional. Their limbs are normally quite stumpy compared to their body. It simply wouldn't be feasible to hire someone like that to carry out the roles demanded of the characters.[/QUOTE] Yeah, probably best if they stick to porn roles for now.
Call me a communist and paint me red! I want equality. :dance:
terrible op. it could've been a good discussion, but you chose the worst possible way to open it. [editline]5th June 2011[/editline] what th89 said!
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