• Would you let your kid(s) smoke Marijuana?
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you guys are way too accepting. if my kid was doing illegal shit at my house or even outside the house they better damn well be pulling mostly A-'s or higher.
Hell no. If my parents let me smoke weed, I would be smoking weed all day every day. The thing that holds me back from smoking weed most of the time is my parents. If they approved, I'm fucked. I'll say no, but I know they'll do it. Just the way it works. They'll always have that fear. [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] ...And marks are the least of the problems. Don't need my kids growing up with an expensive habit.
After 18, and if they get arrested they better hope I think they grew up following the straight road. I'll bail out my kids if they smoke pot. I won't do it if they steal/lie to smoke pot.
Only on weekends and fridays, hypocritical but that's how I roll
NO NO NO, NO DRUGS, I used to skip highschool to get high but NO NO NO
[QUOTE=Meader;28823526]Hypocrisy is okay when you're a parent. It's about teaching your kids to do what's right, and sometimes that means telling them they can or can not do something that you yourself may have done. It's about teaching morals and what's right and wrong.[/QUOTE] We're so far apart I'm not even sure what to say. What is right and wrong? How do you justify what amounts to brainwashing your kids instead of letting them learn what values work for them? I'm all for "simulating" real-world consequences in order to prepare your children for the hard facts that are not under your control, but what you seem to be advocating is forcing your own values on your children without any kind of feedback as to whether they actually work for them in the real world. I just don't get it, just, why? [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] In general, people need to apply scientific method in areas where it isn't used traditionally: politics, raising your children, you name it. Idealism just fails.
[QUOTE=Meader;28823526]Hypocrisy is okay when you're a parent. It's about teaching your kids to do what's right, and sometimes that means telling them they can or can not do something that you yourself may have done. It's about teaching morals and what's right and wrong.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but that's fucking retarded. Have some intelligence, some fucking decency, and some respect for your kids, and be fucking honest. Life can sometimes be hard and complicated, so are you going to dumb it down and lie about it to your kids? What type of person are you making them into? How can they trust their hypocritical parents judgement? Creating laws that you yourself are exempt from is called taking peoples freedoms. And if it's to educate, then what the fuck are you teaching them? It's good to lie to the people you love because you think they shouldn't do something? No, you educate them about what it is, how it affects you, how you then respond to your environment and peers, so they understand. Then they won't be doing bad things for themselves, because they're educated. And if they see you do it, then they'll just learn to do it and hide it from you. And why can you do it as an adult, but not the kid? Is it because they're not developed enough like you are? If so, then explain them that. If not, don't do it yourself.
Meader, reading through your posts, you're such a fascist, what the fuck. I hope you never have kids. It's like when I saw a movie about those Nazi doctors trying to figure out how to most effectively dispose of the Jews. I mean, your methods would probably be very effective as a means to an end, but you don't consider the end itself, the will of your own kids, their right to do what they want with their own lives. You talk about teaching morals, right and wrong, but if those existed you would most definitely be devoid of morals. [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] "Because once you have a freedom, having it taken away is almost impossible... Never had the freedom, never had to take anything away." I swear, this is like right out of the mouth of a dictator.
In parenthood you have to be a fascist and a dictator, you have to be a parent not a friend. Of course with age comes freedom, the older your kids become the more privileges they get. Would you put a six year old behind the wheel because he/she wants to go take the car out for a spin? When your kids are living at home and aren't past 18 yet, you as a parent are responsible for them and their actions, when they are old enough to live on their own then they can do the fuck they want with their lives, until then: OBEY, PASS THE REMOTE AND MAKE DAD SOME GODDAMNED SANDWICHES!
The car is (I would assume) the property of one or both parents, and it's illegal for a kid to drive in the first place, especially without a drivers license (whether there should be an age limit for that is another discussion), but yeah, if my kid managed to get a drivers license and pay for his own car, whatever his age, I would be there on the sidewalk cheering for him. But at least you managed not to argue for your viewpoint ("of course"? no, not at all so) and make a giant ass out of yourself. Again, I don't hope you ever have kids either. What kind of kids would you raise when they hate you and don't see you as a friend, they would discard everything you tried to teach them the moment they had a chance just because they despise you.
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Can we try not to flame each other please? It makes me feel very attacked, especially when I'm being flamed and yet mis-understood at the same time. [QUOTE=Otsegolation;28836291]Sorry, but that's fucking retarded. Have some intelligence, some fucking decency, and some respect for your kids, and be fucking honest. Life can sometimes be hard and complicated, so are you going to dumb it down and lie about it to your kids?[/QUOTE] I fail to see where I'm fucking up. I never said I would dumb anything down or lie to anyone. I would SURELY tell them why and explain it to them. My kids can trust their "hypocritical parents" because I would explain that drugs can fuck with your life unless you know what's up, and at 13-18 you THINK you know what's up but it's fuckall. [quote]Creating laws that you yourself are exempt from is called taking peoples freedoms.[/quote] No it's not. It's called privilege. As a parent, I can exert that power of privilege. [quote]It's good to lie to the people you love because you think they shouldn't do something?[/quote] I didn't lie to anyone... Never said I would. [quote]No, you educate them about what it is, how it affects you, how you then respond to your environment and peers, so they understand. Then they won't be doing bad things for themselves, because they're educated.[/quote] I agree. That's what I'd do. [quote]And why can you do it as an adult, but not the kid? Is it because they're not developed enough like you are? If so, then explain them that. If not, don't do it yourself. [/quote] I would explain it to them.
I think your beliefs are very similar to that of a fascist, I already told you why. If that makes you feel attacked, then maybe you should change your beliefs. It's not my fault that you feel bad about wanting to treat your children inhumanely, like they're not your equals. If you [i]do[/i] think that parents should be fascist and act like a dictator in their relationship with their children, then I can't do much about that either.
I have some faith in the next generation of parents.
[QUOTE=Lenni;28822440]Anyone who makes conditions they don't meet themselves. Basically the definition of hipocrisy. Not everyone though. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] And what the fuck is with the grades, that is by no means a measure of ability or success by itself. How stupid a parent do you have to be to measure your own kids by their grades in school, you should get out of your fucking chair and get to know them. Same goes for the age limit btw[/QUOTE] Dude you're an idiot. Of course I'd know my fucking children. I wouldn't be the kind of father thats only a provider for the family. Second of all the grades. I got straight A's and smoked weed all the fucking time. If my kid is going to smoke as I did, I'd like him/her to hold education in a high regard. It's important. You're a dipshit for thinking its wrong to want that from them. Even for the people who didn't get good grades, its not hypocritical for them to want their children to get good grades, its not wanting their children to make the sake mistakes and make it far in life.
[QUOTE=Peavy262;28839327]Dude you're an idiot. Of course I'd know my fucking children. I wouldn't be the kind of father thats only a provider for the family. Second of all the grades. I got straight A's and smoked weed all the fucking time. If my kid is going to smoke as I did, I'd like him/her to hold education in a high regard. It's important. You're a dipshit for thinking its wrong to want that from them. Even for the people who didn't get good grades, its not hypocritical for them to want their children to get good grades, its not wanting their children to make the sake mistakes and make it far in life.[/QUOTE] Grades are nothing, and demanding them to go accomplish that shit is just depressing. School is fucking good though for them to interact with other kids. Also, it forces them to get used to doing things they find pointless, or that just don't get them to their goals fast enough. Education is important, but what if your education system sucks? You still going to conform to it?
[QUOTE=Otsegolation;28839408]Education is important, but what if your education system sucks? You still going to conform to it?[/QUOTE] No. I'll send my kids to a better school.
[QUOTE=Otsegolation;28839408]Grades are nothing, and demanding them to go accomplish that shit is just depressing. School is fucking good though for them to interact with other kids. Also, it forces them to get used to doing things they find pointless, or that just don't get them to their goals fast enough. Education is important, but what if your education system sucks? You still going to conform to it?[/QUOTE] If my children were like...offered a record deal and they wanted to drop out to chase their dream, I'd let them. But pretty much anything you want to do, you have to get good grades for. So, yes, I am going to demand they get good grades. You have a problem with that? I apologize I'd like to see my children go far in life. [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Meader;28839653]No. I'll send my kids to a better school.[/QUOTE] Exactly.
[QUOTE=Peavy262;28839327]Dude you're an idiot. [/QUOTE] I respect your opinion (plus you're defending my point too), but the name calling is useless and hostile. Could we hold a discussion without being dicks? (Plus, Lenni's a pro troll, I just ignore him).
[QUOTE=Peavy262;28839675]If my children were like...offered a record deal and they wanted to drop out to chase their dream, I'd let them. But pretty much anything you want to do, you have to get good grades for. So, yes, I am going to demand they get good grades. You have a problem with that? I apologize I'd like to see my children go far in life. [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] Exactly.[/QUOTE] I have more high-school education than this 24 year old I worked for during the summer once, and he's already paid off his house, had his business running for 4 years, and his work buildings are located behind his house. He's got his employees, equipment and gear, vehicles, etc. all that shit going on, and can still afford to take vacations to go party and shit. Because this guy learns by himself, and he goes out and does shit. [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Meader;28839690]I respect your opinion (plus you're defending my point too), but the name calling is useless and hostile. Could we hold a discussion without being dicks? (Plus, Lenni's a pro troll, I just ignore him).[/QUOTE] Pro troll? Don't be a dick. Think about what he said man, there's some sense in it. Criticism isn't a bad thing to get; use it to your advantage.
[QUOTE=Otsegolation;28839803]I have more high-school education than this 24 year old I worked for during the summer once, and he's already paid off his house, had his business running for 4 years, and his work buildings are located behind his house. He's got his employees, equipment and gear, vehicles, etc. all that shit going on, and can still afford to take vacations to go party and shit. Because this guy learns by himself, and he goes out and does shit.[/QUOTE] I'll be the first to say the education and grading system is stupid, but if my kid is smoking weed all day, and gives up on school because of that, I would not let him continue. You can't deny that for most of society, if you fail every class in highschool and don't graduate, your not going to go far in life. Yeh theres exceptions, like your 24 year old, and thats great, he proved the system wrong, he's an inspiration to me kind of, but schooling is still imporant to get ahead in life, mainly because employers do judge you by your grade or GPA.
[QUOTE=Otsegolation;28839803]Pro troll? Don't be a dick. Think about what he said man, there's some sense in it. Criticism isn't a bad thing to get; use it to your advantage.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry if he is not a troll, but his posts sure sound like it. They are all very angry and rude, and 90% of the time they twist what the poster was originally saying. Even when he IS wrong, he still will fight his side. And he wasn't exactly criticizing in a way that I could use to my advantage, he was just kind of being a douche...
Alright I'm going to back out. I have my opinions and You guys have yours.
[QUOTE=Lenni;28836979]The car is (I would assume) the property of one or both parents, and it's illegal for a kid to drive in the first place, especially without a drivers license (whether there should be an age limit for that is another discussion), but yeah, if my kid managed to get a drivers license and pay for his own car, whatever his age, I would be there on the sidewalk cheering for him.[/quote] If it be legal I would cheer them on too, don't get me wrong here. You seem to have completely missed the point I was trying to make, you have to be the responsible parent that tells your kids what is right and what is wrong so they won't do something dangerous, harm themselves or have a run in with the law. The way you bringing it is a very lacking attitude. [Quote]But at least you managed not to argue for your viewpoint ("of course"? no, not at all so) and make a giant ass out of yourself. Again, I don't hope you ever have kids either. What kind of kids would you raise when they hate you and don't see you as a friend, they would discard everything you tried to teach them the moment they had a chance just because they despise you.[/QUOTE] I don't want my kids to hate me, but I don't want to be a friend either. A friend is what you can become later on in life when your kids are independent, before that you have to be a parent. If you're just a friend and not a parent do you think your kids will actually listen to you? This way they'll test you out and see how far they can go before you snap and then things can turn ugly. If you actually literally follow what you just said word for word as a parent you will see that you will fail and end up on one of those nanny shows one day. Telling your kids that not everything is acceptable in the house is not being a fascist it's teaching your kids manners and have an understanding of morals and dangers in life. Every parents want their kids to succeed at life and if they fail, well fuck that, there is no such thing as failure if you truly love your kids. So if the weed would cause them to have a lacking attitude towards their education than I would first try to talk some things out and I wouldn't immediately confiscate it, but if the problem would persist than I would confiscate the weed. And why the hostility man? Well, I'm gone now, I'm off to practice my Prussian march in the cellar while listening to '99 Red Balloons'.
[QUOTE=Meader;28839946]I'm sorry if he is not a troll, but his posts sure sound like it. They are all very angry and rude, and 90% of the time they twist what the poster was originally saying. Even when he IS wrong, he still will fight his side. And he wasn't exactly criticizing in a way that I could use to my advantage, he was just kind of being a douche...[/QUOTE] Why do you feel he was being a douche? Did he say something about you that you thought was true? If not, then you shouldn't take offense, it just means he doesn't know you. If he was right, then don't take it as an insult, it's something you can work on if anything. To better enable you to do whatever it is you need to do in life. We all make mistakes anyway, or even realize how previous ways of thinking weren't exactly the best. His text is as angry as you perceive it to be. And people can be rude, but who fucking cares dickhead? You don't need to hostility, but you won't die from it either. So it's all cool. [editline]27th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Redskins1234;28839874]I'll be the first to say the education and grading system is stupid, but if my kid is smoking weed all day, and gives up on school because of that, I would not let him continue. You can't deny that for most of society, if you fail every class in highschool and don't graduate, your not going to go far in life. Yeh theres exceptions, like your 24 year old, and thats great, he proved the system wrong, he's an inspiration to me kind of, but schooling is still imporant to get ahead in life, mainly because employers do judge you by your grade or GPA.[/QUOTE] You're right about the weed shit, unless he somehow turns it into something to make lots of money consistently, haha. Yeah, the exceptions are there because those guys fucking got shit done. You won't lose your job if your GPA sucks but you can still perform your job tasks well. And having experience actually doing the work is better than the GPA part if the employer is comparing you to someone who studied the same shit.
[quote]And people can be rude, but who fucking cares dickhead? You don't need to hostility, but you won't die from it either. So it's all cool.[/QUOTE] Thank you for proving my point, sir. Anger breeds anger, but I refuse to join that orgy. Now come hit this joint.
[QUOTE=Meader;28842190]Thank you for proving my point, sir. Anger breeds anger, but I refuse to join that orgy. Now come hit this joint.[/QUOTE] A negative action most likely results in a negative action being returned, sure, but that's all irrelevant where we're going.
I care. I come to DD to relax and enjoy talking with friends. Once in a while we'll get in a debate, but the name-calling (of which I myself am a part of and need to try to resist doing) and blatently rude attitude is just throwing around these shit vibes. Makes me uncomfortable and not want to talk on here anymore.
Age wise I'd like to wait until 16, as regardless of maturity the brain is still developing and the less psychoactive the better, so I'd wait until I found out/guessed then just teach them moderation. Besides, I strongly hope that by the time I might have kids the war on drugs will be over and there will be a proper system of regulation so it'd be much harder for kids to get weed.
all this shit about lettered grades, above Cs, B-average, this is ridiculous. is it just an american thing or something? i'm from scotland and we get lettered grades for one type of test in secondary school, and that's about it. i'd never be given a lettered grade in a class; we'd do everything in a sliding scale or in percentages. now i'm at uni, there's still no lettered grades; we do tests in an +/- standard deviation system, and final exams are like 1-1, 1-2, 2, 3, 4. even if we were to do everything in a convention, nobody actually keeps an average. i've got no idea what average i got in school, i didn't at any point know this, and i'd be really fucking surprised if i could find one other person in scotland who knew their grade-average. [editline]df[/editline] and also, to be on topic, i wouldn't mention anything to said kid about it. i'd immerse the kid in my culture and teach him the things that i like, and i expect he'd get an interest in drugs from simply the surroundings. if he were to ask if i had tried anything, i'd be open about the fact that i used to smoke weed (perhaps not tell him i currently do, but that's really situation-dependent) but probably hide any harder drug use. i'd only speak about the topic if he does first, or if it's some really obvious matter i have to deal with. other than that, i'd probably turn a blind eye to him smoking, pretend i missed it or whatever.
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