[QUOTE=Pome;28844192]all this shit about lettered grades, above Cs, B-average, this is ridiculous. is it just an american thing or something? [/QUOTE]
In my schools growing up we always got letter grades until Highschool, and even then we translated the numbers into letters.
I'm in college now, and they still put on the syllabus of each class the number-letter translation for that class. I'd assume it's an American thing, yes.
[editline]27th March 2011[/editline]
And by "numbers" I mean % out of 100 (ex. 94-100 would be an A)
As long as i have authority of them, i wouldn't want my kid to be a stoner.
[QUOTE=Lenni;28836444]Meader, reading through your posts, you're such a fascist, what the fuck. I hope you never have kids. It's like when I saw a movie about those Nazi doctors trying to figure out how to most effectively dispose of the Jews. I mean, your methods would probably be very effective as a means to an end, but you don't consider the end itself, the will of your own kids, their right to do what they want with their own lives. You talk about teaching morals, right and wrong, but if those existed you would most definitely be devoid of morals.
[editline]27th March 2011[/editline]
"Because once you have a freedom, having it taken away is almost impossible... Never had the freedom, never had to take anything away."
I swear, this is like right out of the mouth of a dictator.[/QUOTE]
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I don't think weed is healthy for kids that are still growing.
[QUOTE=Peavy262;28839327]Dude you're an idiot. Of course I'd know my fucking children. I wouldn't be the kind of father thats only a provider for the family. Second of all the grades. I got straight A's and smoked weed all the fucking time. If my kid is going to smoke as I did, I'd like him/her to hold education in a high regard. It's important. You're a dipshit for thinking its wrong to want that from them. Even for the people who didn't get good grades, its not hypocritical for them to want their children to get good grades, its not wanting their children to make the sake mistakes and make it far in life.[/QUOTE]
There's so many fallacies in your post and your way of thinking that I was going to make a point by point response, but I think I can handle the general problem in one go.
I'm one of the most intelligent people in my class (and that's to avoid bragging). I only got one C last time, and that's because the PE teachers have 53 students to keep track of and generally don't give a shit (and neither do I, at least not enough to complain). Other than that, 5 A's and 6 B's. I could get straight A's if I wanted to, but I don't. I could go to university (and I don't even need the grades because it's paid for by the government) but I don't, I could get a very prestigious and/or well-paying job, I could become a politician like my friends tell me to, but I don't want any of those. I'm most likely going through the military, followed up by a career as a maritime officer in the shipping industry which, although being a well-paid job with a 5½ years bachelor degree, is not all I could do and is not what people (including my parents) expect of me. But success is not measured by money or prestige, or what your parents or society wants, it's measured by whether or not you're happy with what you do. For some, or even most people, prestige and money is a large part of the equation, but if your kid wants to be a janitor and you care for them at all, you better fucking hand them the broom.
You equate "mistakes" to low grades and "making it far in life" to getting a prestigious/well-paying job. It just doesn't work that way. For the third time ITT, please don't ever have kids.
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Meader;28839690]Lenni's a pro troll, I just ignore him[/QUOTE]
I'm proud that my arguments are so compelling, you find it necessary to deem me a "pro troll". Thank you.
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Meader;28842190]Thank you for proving my point, sir. Anger breeds anger, but I refuse to join that orgy. Now come hit this joint.[/QUOTE]
I guess what bred my anger is the fact that you want to take away your kids freedoms just so they'll never know they had them. Just "refuse to join the orgy" and ignore the fact that you'll be abusing your children, that'll make things better.
[editline]28th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Meader;28839946]I'm sorry if he is not a troll, but his posts sure sound like it. They are all very angry and rude, and 90% of the time they twist what the poster was originally saying. Even when he IS wrong, he still will fight his side.[/QUOTE]
If it seems like I'm twisting your words, it's because I'm deriving from them what you can't derive yourself, IE. you being a fascist in the way you plan to raise your kids. And your second point is so easy and low, it's pathetic. (and it's wrong, I admit when I'm wrong and have done so before)
Can't agree with everything you say, but fuck me that was some good ass whooping right there.
I would let them do it as long as they got a C+ or higher. If they're struggling in a subject that's a different story and also if it interfered with other stuff like if no one like them for it then I wouldn't and I wouldn't let them smoke until 15.
[QUOTE=Bftony;28840118]If it be legal I would cheer them on too, don't get me wrong here.
You seem to have completely missed the point I was trying to make, you have to be the responsible parent etc. etc.[/QUOTE]
I didn't miss your point, I just hooked on to the only concrete example you provided besides all the tired assertions and parental stereotypes. Try reading your own posts and imagine what they look like to someone who doesn't simply agree with what you say: you're not providing any arguments whatsoever, you're just reciting all the things I'm trying discard as useless. Kids don't learn by being told, kids learn by experiencing themselves, sometimes preferably in a safe environment with non-fatal simulated consequences. Forcing rules and values on children is dangerous for 2 reasons:
1. You assume your own values are correct in the first place. An extreme example of this problem would be religion, but idiocy in general can pass down easily with this line of thought.
2. If they find the exception to the rule, their entire value system falls apart. Basic recipe for teenage rebellion: kids learn that their parents are full of shit. I find it very disturbing that it's considered "human nature" that children whole-heartedly despise their parents during their teenage years. Gaining independence doesn't have to involve such a degree of hostility, not to mention that it's very traumatic for the child. Talking about school work, it takes focus away from that too.
Balls yes. I'd supply them. But I wouldn't have kids so this isn't a problem.
The whole post wasn't only pointed towards you, it was also to explain my thoughts and an answer to the thread in general.
[QUOTE=Lenni;28851380]I didn't miss your point, I just hooked on to the only concrete example you provided besides all the tired assertions and parental stereotypes. Try reading your own posts and imagine what they look like to someone who doesn't simply agree with what you say: you're not providing any arguments whatsoever, you're just reciting all the things I'm trying discard as useless. Kids don't learn by being told, kids learn by experiencing themselves, sometimes preferably in a safe environment with non-fatal simulated consequences. Forcing rules and values on children is dangerous for 2 reasons:
1. You assume your own values are correct in the first place. An extreme example of this problem would be religion, but idiocy in general can pass down easily with this line of thought.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about forcing rules or values, all I said was that not everything can be acceptable and reading further upon your posts, you can agree with me on that one.
But I agree, every rule or value needs solid and concrete argumentation and can't simply be forced because you just said so; of course there are some exceptions to be made in certain situations.
[QUOTE]2. If they find the exception to the rule, their entire value system falls apart. Basic recipe for teenage rebellion: kids learn that their parents are full of shit. I find it very disturbing that it's considered "human nature" that children whole-heartedly despise their parents during their teenage years. Gaining independence doesn't have to involve such a degree of hostility, not to mention that it's very traumatic for the child. Talking about school work, it takes focus away from that too.[/QUOTE]
I actually don't find that human nature since I never despised my parents throughout puberty so I have no experience there whatsoever. In the last two sentences you seem to jump a bit too quick to conclusions.
I just thought you had a bit too much of a laid back view of parenting, but I guess I'm proven wrong; I might have misinterpreted some of your posts since a few of your posts were more name calling rather than argumentation.
Sorry if my lack for the English language is causing any misunderstandings or whatever.
Hell yeah I'd be smoking my kids out every chance I got. I'd only let them smoke with me until they were at least 14, or mature enough to handle it. I'd probably have them gain my trust before smoking with them though.
I feel like i wouldn't care now, but when I am a parent I would probably think differently
*16
*Okay grades at least...or at least know he has a direction in life.
*Could not tell wife.
I wouldn't be like "SMOKE WEED!"
When they were around 16 and I thought they were mature enough I'd pull 'em aside and be like, "You know, if you do it it's totally cool man."
[editline]30th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=chillbro;28886795]I feel like i wouldn't care now, but when I am a parent I would probably think differently[/QUOTE]
I had this thought. My dad is the same way, he smokes but refuses to admit to it.
[QUOTE=Valdor;28794163]I wouldn't want them to smoke but if they do I won't punish them.
So long as they keep it out of the house, keep their grades up, and don't get in trouble with the law.[/QUOTE]
This. I would teach them a lesson, but would restrict it so they don't fuck up their lungs or anything bad like that.
[QUOTE=crackberry;28906257]This. I would teach them a lesson, but would restrict it so they don't fuck up their lungs or anything bad like that.[/QUOTE]
Go fuck yourself.
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First: Raise the hell out of them, and teach them how to be cool about shit like this. I want to raise the kind of stoner that smokes people up, and pushes fat bags, and can still maintain a regular lifestyle..not some sketchy douche (I shouldn't need to give examples).
Second: When he asks me if I ever smoked I'll tell him "yeah :)" then educate him, so he doesn't believe the bologna that the school system teaches.. HE can decide which age he's ready..
Third: I'll teach him things like cornering the bowl, and passing it right away, and not being annoying while he's high, etc.
Fourth: be proud of my awesome stoner child:')
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