• Have You Seen Citizen Kane?
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[QUOTE=Hallucinate;20358819]yes. The whole point of the movie is the detective trying to find out what rosebud means. It's very long and very boring.[/QUOTE] that is hardly the whole point of the movie...
It suffers majorly from "old movie syndrome" I'd like to say I'm an open minded person, I'll try my hardest to enjoy something, but that movie was just boring as ass. I can appreciate it's importance, sure, it would have been incredible in it's own time period; but I'll just come out and say it, we've gotten a lot better at telling stories than we were way back when.
I haven't seen it. I could probably watch it after I watch Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal and Red Dragon.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;20378184]It suffers majorly from "old movie syndrome" I'd like to say I'm an open minded person, I'll try my hardest to enjoy something, but that movie was just boring as ass. I can appreciate it's importance, sure, it would have been incredible in it's own time period; but I'll just come out and say it, [B]we've gotten a lot better at telling stories than we were way back when.[/B][/QUOTE] I don't think we have. We've gotten better [I]methods[/I] of telling stories but that's about it.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;20378370]I don't think we have. We've gotten better [I]methods[/I] of telling stories but that's about it.[/QUOTE] Whatever you want to call it, we've learned from our mistakes; these early movies had severely less predecessors to improve upon than we do now.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;20378631]Whatever you want to call it, [B]we've learned from our mistakes[/B]; these early movies had severely less predecessors to improve upon than we do now.[/QUOTE] Then how come the last two years were full of shitty movies?
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;20378184]It suffers majorly from "old movie syndrome" I'd like to say I'm an open minded person, I'll try my hardest to enjoy something, but that movie was just boring as ass. I can appreciate it's importance, sure, it would have been incredible in it's own time period; but I'll just come out and say it, we've gotten a lot better at telling stories than we were way back when.[/QUOTE] Maybe old movies just aren't your thing. I personally love them though. I don't think we've gotten better at storytelling, movies today just have a whole different means of production than they did 60 years ago.
Its good. If you have, you can die peacefully.
Not yet, but soon.
I want to. I've heard that it was a one film masterpiece from a director who went completely down the toilet after making it.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;20379842]I want to. I've heard that it was a one film masterpiece from a director who went completely down the toilet after making it.[/QUOTE] It's general regarded as the greatest movie ever made.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;20378730]Then how come the last two years were full of shitty movies?[/QUOTE] Do you think every extremely old movie is a citizen kane? No? Then don't make the point that we are worse now because all our new movies aren't Fight Club's or Clerks' or Pulp Fiction's, all of which majorly outshine most (all?) of the old greats, and I'm sorry, if you don't see that, you're insane. There [I]are[/I] examples of movies that didn't age too badly though, 12 angry men is a good example. [editline]11:12AM[/editline] [QUOTE=DamagePoint;20379351]Maybe old movies just aren't your thing. I personally love them though. I don't think we've gotten better at storytelling, movies today just have a whole different means of production than they did 60 years ago.[/QUOTE] I don't really believe in "my/your/his/her thing", I do think that two people can watch the same movie and have completely different experiences though, obviously. This difference mostly comes from ones state when they watched it, and how this allowed them to appreciate it's strengths or made them focus on it's weaknesses. So yes, I agree there are things to enjoy about these films, and in fact, I probably did enjoy them to an extent (I do generally try my hardest to find any films strengths). It's just that isn't really the point; when you argue about artwork, you aren't arguing about how enjoyable it is, you're using how it made you feel to create logical arguments about it's various aspects.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;20380907]You think every extremely old movie is a citizen kane? No? Then don't make the point that we are worse now because all our new movies aren't Fight Club's or Clerks' or Pulp Fiction's, all of which majorly outshine most (all?) of the old greats, and I'm sorry, if you don't see that, you're insane.[/QUOTE] Of course not, but if we've learned from our mistakes then there is no reason why these last two years have been some of the worst years for movies. I don't expect every movie to be Citizen Kane but I also don't expect that the number of horrible movies released to greatly exceed the number of good movies released.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;20378730]Then how come the last two years were full of shitty movies?[/QUOTE] Also, what are you talking about "last two years full of shitty movies", did you not see moon, up, inglourious basterds, extract, the fantastic mr. fox, the dark knight, wall-e, (500) days of summer, or gran torino? And those are only ones I've seen, I've heard good things about the hurt locker, a serious man, and the imaginarium of dr. parnassus, too. [editline]11:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=chunkymonkey;20381055]Of course not, but if we've learned from our mistakes then there is no reason why these last two years have been some of the worst years for movies. I don't expect every movie to be Citizen Kane but I also don't expect that the number of horrible movies released to greatly exceed the number of good movies released.[/QUOTE] Two years is hardly a representative sample, besides, there has always be more bad movies than good ones, name one year where every other movie was a masterpiece. I think you fail to realize that there's hundreds and hundreds of shitty movies that came out over the years and were quickly forgotten. [editline]11:46AM[/editline] Here's all the films released in 1941 [quote=wikipedia]Films released in 1941 * Adam Had Four Sons * Andy Hardy's Private Secretary * Ball of Fire, starring Gary Cooper and Barbara Stanwyck * Blood and Sand, starring Tyrone Power, Linda Darnell and Rita Hayworth * Blossoms in the Dust, starring Greer Garson and Walter Pidgeon * Broadway Limited, starring Victor McLaglen, Marjorie Woodworth, Dennis O'Keefe, and Patsy Kelly * Bowery Blitzkrieg * Buck Privates * Caught in the Draft * The Chocolate Soldier * Citizen Kane, directed by and starring Orson Welles * The Corsican Brothers * The Devil and Daniel Webster (often billed as All That Money Can Buy), starring Walter Huston and Edward Arnold * The Devil and Miss Jones, starring Jean Arthur * Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, starring Spencer Tracy, Ingrid Bergman and Lana Turner * Dumbo * Flying Wild * 49th Parallel * The Gang's All Here starring Frankie Darro and Mantan Moreland * The Great Lie, starring Mary Astor and Bette Davis * Hatter's Castle * Hellzapoppin' * Here Comes Mr. Jordan, starring Robert Montgomery * High Sierra, starring Ida Lupino and Humphrey Bogart in his first starring role. * Hit the Road * Hold Back the Dawn, starring Charles Boyer, Olivia de Havilland and Paulette Goddard * Hold That Ghost * Honky Tonk, starring Clark Gable and Lana Turner * How Green Was My Valley, starring Walter Pidgeon and Maureen O'Hara * In the Navy, starring Bud Abbott and Lou Costello * Kathleen * Keep 'Em Flying, starring Bud Abbott and Lou Costello * Kipps * Lady Be Good * The Lady Eve, starring Barbara Stanwyck and Henry Fonda * Life Begins for Andy Hardy starring Lewis Stone, Mickey Rooney, Cecilia Parker, and Fay Holden * The Little Foxes, starring Bette Davis * Look Who's Laughing starring Edgar Bergen, Fibber McGee and Molly * Louisiana Purchase * Major Barbara * The Maltese Falcon, starring Humphrey Bogart * Man Hunt * Man Made Monster, starring Lon Chaney Jr. and Lionel Atwill * Mob Town * Moon Over Miami, starring Betty Grable * Mr. Bug Goes to Town * One Foot in Heaven, starring Fredric March and Martha Scott * Penny Serenade, starring Irene Dunne and Cary Grant * A Place to Live * Pride of the Bowery * Princess Iron Fan * Rage in Heaven * Red River Valley, directed by Joseph Kane * The Reluctant Dragon * Sergeant York, starring Gary Cooper * The Shanghai Gesture, starring Gene Tierney * Shining Victory, starring James Stephenson and Geraldine Fitzgerald * Skylark * Spooks Run Wild, starring East Side Kids and Bela Lugosi * Sullivan's Travels, starring Joel McCrea and Veronica Lake * Sun Valley Serenade * Suspicion, starring Joan Fontaine and Cary Grant * Tank Patrol * Target for Tonight * Tarzan's Secret Treasure * They Died with Their Boots On, starring Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland * Tobacco Road * I Wake Up Screaming, starring Betty Grable, Victor Mature and Carole Landis * I Wanted Wings, starring Ray Milland, William Holden, Veronica Lake and Brian Donlevy * War Front * Western Union * A Woman's Face, starring Joan Crawford * The Wolf Man * A Yank in the RAF, starring Tyrone Power and Betty Grable * You Belong to Me * You'll Never Get Rich, starring Fred Astaire and Rita Hayworth [edit] Serials * The Adventures of Captain Marvel, starring Tom Tyler, directed by William Witney and John English * Dick Tracy vs Crime Inc, starring Ralph Byrd, directed by William Witney and John English * The Green Hornet, starring Gordon Jones * Holt of the Secret Service, directed by James W. Horne * The Iron Claw, directed by James W. Horne * Jungle Girl, starring Frances Gifford, directed by William Witney and John English * King of the Texas Rangers, directed by William Witney and John English * Riders of Death Valley, directed by Ray Taylor and Ford Beebe * Sea Raiders, directed by Ray Taylor and Ford Beebe * Sky Raiders, directed by Ray Taylor and Ford Beebe * The Spider Returns, starring Warren Hull, directed by James W. Horne * White Eagle, directed by James W. Horne [edit] Short film series * Buster Keaton (1917-1941) * Laurel and Hardy (1921-1941) * Our Gang (1922-1944) * The Three Stooges (1934-1959) [edit] Animated short film series * Mickey Mouse (1928-1953) * Looney Tunes (1930-1969) * Terrytoons (1930-1964) * Merrie Melodies (1931-1969) * Scrappy (1931-1941) * Popeye (1933-1957) * Color Rhapsodies (1934-1949) * Donald Duck (1937-1956) * Walter Lantz Cartunes (also known as New Universal Cartoons or Cartune Comedies) (1938-1942) * Goofy (1939-1955) * Andy Panda (1939-1949) * Tom and Jerry (MGM) (1940-1958) * Woody Woodpecker (1941-1949) * Swing Symphonies (1941-1945) * The Fox and the Crow (1941-1950) * Superman (1941-1943) [/quote] The vast majority of these no one's even heard of, and chances are they weren't very good, even for when they were made. Any modern person watching them would probably end up committing suicide before intermission
[QUOTE=ryandaniels;20381348]Also, what are you talking about "last two years full of shitty movies", did you not see moon, up, inglourious basterds, extract, the fantastic mr. fox, the dark knight, wall-e, (500) days of summer, or gran torino? And those are only ones I've seen, I've heard good things about the hurt locker, a serious man, and the imaginarium of dr. parnassus, too. Two years is hardly a representative sample, besides, there has always be more bad movies than good ones, name one year where every other movie was a masterpiece. I think you fail to realize that there's hundreds and hundreds of shitty movies that came out over the years and were quickly forgotten.[/QUOTE] way to counter your own argument. ok you named 11 good movies from the last 2 years (10, actually. dark knight was bad). theres been hundreds of movies released in the last two years and most of them were terrible. moviemaking has gotten better technology-wise, but storytelling-wise? no way jose. lets name some good movies from 1941 and 1942! movies that are still heralded as masterpieces! citizen kane (obvs) the lady eve the maltese falcon sgt york sullivans travels how green was my valley casa fucking blanca the magnificent ambersons et cetera. for every filmmaking period theres been great movies and to say that one has produced more than another or better than another is stupid [editline]02:08PM[/editline] also if you were going to post a list of every movie made in 2009, or 2008, or whatever, chances are 90% of them would be terrible and the only reason you would know of their existence is because they just came out a year ago
No, he's hiding. On topic: No, I probably should.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;20379842]I want to. I've heard that it was a one film masterpiece from a director who went completely down the toilet after making it.[/QUOTE] idk orson welles did some other pretty good ones after this
[QUOTE=Membrain;20381855]way to counter your own argument. ok you named 11 good movies from the last 2 years (10, actually. dark knight was bad). theres been hundreds of movies released in the last two years and most of them were terrible.[/quote] When I wrote that, I hadn't seen your most recent post, and (mis)interpreted your earlier post to mean that there were no great movies from the last two years. I apologize. [quote]moviemaking has gotten better technology-wise, but storytelling-wise? no way jose.[/quote] Wrong. To be honest I have no idea how to approach this argumentatively; I'm sorry, that comment is just so gigantically messed up. The best way to explain it is that you are claiming that people with less experience made something that was just as effective. The longer a medium is around, the quality/effectiveness of it's artists tends to increase. [quote]for every filmmaking period theres been great movies and to say that one has produced more than another or better than another is stupid[/quote] I never said anything along those lines. [quote] also if you were going to post a list of every movie made in 2009, or 2008, or whatever, chances are 90% of them would be terrible and the only reason you would know of their existence is because they just came out a year ago[/QUOTE] Uhhhhh, that was MY point; you think movies now are terrible because you were here to see all the shit ones, whereas you weren't around in the 40s to complain about how bad movies had become. [editline]01:46PM[/editline] Also, I'd like to make a distinction here, there's two parts to art: depth/meaning, and effectiveness. With that distinction made, I think my point is clearer (hopefully); effectiveness is something each generation of artists attempt to perfect, using the experience that has piled up from their predecessors. This is why effectiveness is tends to increase.
Seen it.
When I saw it I thought :"What a great idea to film it in black and white!" The I saw that it was made n 1941 and I went :"[I]Holy shit![/I]"
When I first rented it I never felt like watching it. I just wasn't in the mood. Hopefully I get another chance to see it in the future.
Whoa, I leave this thread alone for a couple days, and there's 41 new posts! Must be a hot topic.
it was so boring the whole thing was just talking
Watched it in high school. Say what you will, but it fully and completely failed to be interesting to me.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20416487]Watched it in high school. Say what you will, but it fully and completely failed to be interesting to me.[/QUOTE] have fun with your transformers 2 dvd
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20416487]Watched it in high school. Say what you will, but it fully and completely failed to be interesting to me.[/QUOTE] Well then you enjoy your shitty parody movies and we'll enjoy masterpieces.
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