Are you asking if Hitler LITERALLY will come back from the dead and shove the holocaust up our asses again? Not likely as they found his body a little less than 3 months ago. Now that people know where his grave is, anti-Nazis will probably go and rape his body into non-existence.
[QUOTE=MutantBadger;19454664]Are you asking if Hitler LITERALLY will come back from the dead and shove the holocaust up our asses again? Not likely as they found his body a little less than 3 months ago. Now that people know where his grave is, anti-Nazis will probably go and rape his body into non-existence.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what he's saying.
I remember Ahmadinejad saying, "[I]Israel must be wiped from the map" [/I]recently.
Here he is:
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[QUOTE=MutantBadger;19454664] Not likely as they found his body a little less than 3 months ago. [/QUOTE]
Source?
One problem that some people fail to realize is that at times is that the Weimar Republic was TOO democratic - an interesting thought, anyways..
[QUOTE=dookster;19454832]I remember Ahmadinejad saying, "[I]Israel must be wiped from the map" [/I]recently.[/QUOTE]
I believe he said he wanted to wipe the Zionist government off the face of the map, which is different than physically removing a country lol
Only under the right circumstances. I guess Hitler got lucky.
NOTE:
Hitler didn't come to power just on the fact that germany was shit.
He also was able to exploit the fact that they were forced to be the scapegoats for world war 1. and everyone was pissed. So they supported him.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile;19258806]I dunno, with the insane political correctness these days any say against any specific group of people will end in a shit storm.[/QUOTE]
why is almost every post whining about political correctness full of fabrications?
It very well could. I believe one of his famous quotes went along the lines of "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it often enough, it will be believed." The reason Hitler was more successful than many dictators is because he got to the top by way of diplomacy. If you can gradually snake your way into the hearts and minds of a people and their ruling body, you can seize them and gain control. And that he did. His image hid his intentions well. He was doing great things for Germany and it took a while before people really realized what he was ever so gradually doing. The reason he so easily won over the people was his excellent oration and the fact he was living his intentions. He had reasons he thought to be logical behind his conquests and attacks on the Jews. He lived it, therefore his people did too. It really isn't that hard if you take a step back and look at the minds and patterns of people through a deeper perspective. Anyone who knows this could become the next Hitler. Determined, logical, brilliant, and most important of all: sly. You have to be the devious and crafty son of a bitch that Hitler was. It took him so long to rise to the top because he was so careful and gradual. He gained the trust of his targets and left nothing to chance. We could all learn a thing from his ambition and careful reasoning.
I hate how everyone is calling the Nazis Socialist. That was in fact their name, and their platform was based on socialist ideology, however they were not socialist. Have you ever heard of a campaign lie? This is what Hitler did, he lied about his platform to easily assume power, and once he was in created a Far-Right Elitist Oligarchy that excluded many people from the higher classes. Socialism is about freedom and rights for everyone in the world, and not just a privileged class in one nation. Even look at the name of the Nazis: [b]National[/b] Socialists. How does national socialism even make sense when the communist/socialist credo is "Workers of the World Unite!". Back on topic, Hitler probably has happened again already, and we are too naive or brainwashed to take notice. Remember, truth and history are written by the winners.
[QUOTE=KillerSlash;19258741]Our country is not in the toilet
We are far from what the Germans had. They were starving, disease ridden and homeless.
This thread is pointless. Look outside.
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Look outside. Do you see this in every street corner?
Just another thread looking for views. Just like a shitty youtube emo song cover.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, But Hitler changed that around. He was a good leader, minus all the jew killing and war starting.
I think a new Hitler in the sense of his economic policy would be useful. Just nothing else about him.
what economic policy
hitler didn't do anything, he left shit the way it is
the only thing he did do was stop workers from forming unions
frisk was the one suggesting he should do shit and hitler was like naw its cool bro
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;19456061]what economic policy
hitler didn't do anything, he left shit the way it is
the only thing he did do was stop workers from forming unions
frisk was the one suggesting he should do shit and hitler was like naw its cool bro[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about?
One of Hitler's main successes was his economic policies.
Some of them...
The government banned the some labour-replacing machines, increasing employment and Aggregate Demand through increased wages, as less men lost jobs to be replaced by machines.
Employers had to get government permission before reducing their labour force, meaning they couldn't slash workers from the wage bill and increase unemployment.
The government gave contracts to companies that relied on manual labour rather than machinery. This was happened during the massive autobahn (motorway) programme. They used prisoners aswell, instead of them being sat in jail costing the tax payer money they helped build and received wages to spend.
The Nazis concentrated on rearming. Thousands of Germans worked in factories producing weapons. Boosted Aggregate Demand and increased employment.
Conscription into the German armed forces helped to reduce the numbers of unemployed.
Hitler also encouraged the mass production of radios. He was not only concerned with reducing unemployment, but also used it to boost his reach in terms of propaganda.
Youth unemployment was dealt with by the making the Voluntary Labour Service (VLS) and the Voluntary Youth Service (VYS), they planted forests, repaired river banks and helped reclaim wasteland.
He also announced the introduction of Labour Service (RAD). Under the RAD all men aged between the 19 and 25 had to work for the government for six months. Later women were also included in the scheme and they did work such as teaching and domestic service.
At the end of it this Unemployment had fallen from 6 million in 1933 -> 300,000 by 1939
Industrial production and GDP in 1939 was above the figure for Weimar Germany before the Great Crash.
Hitler was massively successful economically and at reinstilling a national identity to the Germans. Unfortunately he went all crazy and started a war and killed millions of people. Before that though, he was an excellent leader, and was very successful both politically and economically.
Nick Griffin is bad, but I doubt he is gas chamber bad.
[QUOTE=ThePunisher1;19483351]Nick Griffin is bad, but I doubt he is gas chamber bad.[/QUOTE]
No he isnt as "gas chamber bad", but he is just borderline retarded.
I wouldn't want to live under him now i know his policies and I'm sure alot of people in Germany expected Hitler to come in in a Nationalist Socialist way (as that was the party he was in), i.e. redistributing wealth and jobs for the people, protection of jobs and so on, but then after all that he went ultra nationalist and killed non Germans and Jews for example.
Hmm as you said Hitler was good for the country to begin with before he started doing crazy things and ordering the deaths of people, invading other countries, etc. Maybe theres someone out there who can do all of the good without the bad...
It's a War, It's a War, It's a War, It's a Waaaaar, It's a Waaaaar.
Well as long as the next person supports blonde hair and blue eyes I'm okay
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;19483466]Hmm as you said Hitler was good for the country to begin with before he started doing crazy things and ordering the deaths of people, invading other countries, etc. Maybe theres someone out there who can do all of the good without the bad...[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, Hitler pushed very Nationalist policies onto the people, he basically outlawed Jews and Non Citizens from working and just sent them to the ghettos or to concentration camps. Yes he boosted the economy but he did it in a way that just doesn't fit in today in a world of integration and ethnic tolerance.
Times have changed, we can't simply rely on a leader to be able to do all this again because most people will simply not want to work in factories or building roads to boost the economy, they want a job in an office or at home.
People like the BNP are trying to do this, they are trying to play on some people's tendency to believe the papers; (i.e. that immigrants are ruining countries) and this is basically just propaganda, just like Hitler.
All in all, people and life has changed, we won't ever have anyone like Hitler again, [U]because[/U] of Hitler. The world will act faster when things start to get a little odd, or a leader starts to sanction certain groups away from others.
I mean we were all up in arms about the BNP getting 1 seat in the UK; we have been heavily indoctrinated to believe that this kind of attitude is wrong; and it is wrong to a degree.
Nationalism is not bad, its Fascist Nationalism that it. Not that I agree with what Hitler did outside of economics, but it is a sad day when you cannot fight to protect your heritage or your country without being labelled as racist.
Because of what Hitler did, no one can be a Nationalist any more, without being labelled a racist mostly. The BNP are Fascist's, they say they want to "re-locate" people not from England back to their home, for example. This is bad, but being a patriot isn't.
History's mistakes repeat for those who don't learn from them. There's always the chance of an event repeating itself, and always a chance of it being averted. But that only applies to those who believe that the future is constantly changing.
[QUOTE=Benf199105;19483338]What are you talking about?
One of Hitler's main successes was his economic policies.
Some of them...
The government banned the some labour-replacing machines, increasing employment and Aggregate Demand through increased wages, as less men lost jobs to be replaced by machines.
Employers had to get government permission before reducing their labour force, meaning they couldn't slash workers from the wage bill and increase unemployment.
The government gave contracts to companies that relied on manual labour rather than machinery. This was happened during the massive autobahn (motorway) programme. They used prisoners aswell, instead of them being sat in jail costing the tax payer money they helped build and received wages to spend.
The Nazis concentrated on rearming. Thousands of Germans worked in factories producing weapons. Boosted Aggregate Demand and increased employment.
Conscription into the German armed forces helped to reduce the numbers of unemployed.
Hitler also encouraged the mass production of radios. He was not only concerned with reducing unemployment, but also used it to boost his reach in terms of propaganda.
Youth unemployment was dealt with by the making the Voluntary Labour Service (VLS) and the Voluntary Youth Service (VYS), they planted forests, repaired river banks and helped reclaim wasteland.
He also announced the introduction of Labour Service (RAD). Under the RAD all men aged between the 19 and 25 had to work for the government for six months. Later women were also included in the scheme and they did work such as teaching and domestic service.
At the end of it this Unemployment had fallen from 6 million in 1933 -> 300,000 by 1939
Industrial production and GDP in 1939 was above the figure for Weimar Germany before the Great Crash.
Hitler was massively successful economically and at reinstilling a national identity to the Germans. Unfortunately he went all crazy and started a war and killed millions of people. Before that though, he was an excellent leader, and was very successful both politically and economically.[/QUOTE]
That's not a success as it's amazingly short-sighted and cost intensive. The so called RAD was a backfall into feudalism.
The motorway project was created and started in the Weimarer Republik.
The whole concept had no financial back and was finaced by the cheap work of millions and millions of enslaved people who've been stripped of all of their possesions.
Hell they even sold millions and millions of molten gold teeth and America and GB were good customers.
Don't try to make him look better than he was.
If it did, the military would have created a machine that brings people back to life.
[QUOTE=Killuah;19483746]That's not a success as it's amazingly short-sighted and cost intensive. The so called RAD was a backfall into feudalism.
The motorway project was created and started in the Weimarer Republik.
The whole concept had no financial back and was finaced by the cheap work of millions and millions of enslaved people who've been stripped of all of their possesions.
Hell they even sold millions and millions of molten gold teeth and America and GB were good customers.
Don't try to make him look better than he was.[/QUOTE]
Of course Hitler's policies were bolstered by cheap labour, if you forgot your basic history Germany was ordered to pay billions in Reparations and was financially bankrupt. Furthermore the Wall Street Crash and rampant inflation meant Germany was so far up shit creek there was almost no conventional way back.
I'm not making him look better than he was...Did his policies cut employment, raise GDP and make Germany a superpower again after Versailles?
Also Hitler and Schacht reaped the end of the gold standard by keeping interest rates low and financing a huge deficit. Yes, questionable, but it worked.
Consequently there was an extremely rapid decline in unemployment, (basically the most rapid decline in unemployment in any country during the Great Depression) This worked but eventually, this policy was supplemented by the boost to aggregate demand provided by rearmament and swelling military spending and by the fact that millions more germans were earning a wage.
His methods were questionable but he got the job done. I agreed that Hitler wouldn't happen again because people have changed and so has modern life, but he got the job done and he stopped Germany's freefall, albeit in a "feudalist" way.
[QUOTE=Benf199105;19483595]That's the thing, Hitler pushed very Nationalist policies onto the people, he basically outlawed Jews and Non Citizens from working and just sent them to the ghettos or to concentration camps. Yes he boosted the economy but he did it in a way that just doesn't fit in today in a world of integration and ethnic tolerance.
Times have changed, we can't simply rely on a leader to be able to do all this again because most people will simply not want to work in factories or building roads to boost the economy, they want a job in an office or at home.
People like the BNP are trying to do this, they are trying to play on some people's tendency to believe the papers; (i.e. that immigrants are ruining countries) and this is basically just propaganda, just like Hitler.
All in all, people and life has changed, we won't ever have anyone like Hitler again, [U]because[/U] of Hitler. The world will act faster when things start to get a little odd, or a leader starts to sanction certain groups away from others.
I mean we were all up in arms about the BNP getting 1 seat in the UK; we have been heavily indoctrinated to believe that this kind of attitude is wrong; and it is wrong to a degree.
Nationalism is not bad, its Fascist Nationalism that it. Not that I agree with what Hitler did outside of economics, but it is a sad day when you cannot fight to protect your heritage or your country without being labelled as racist.
Because of what Hitler did, no one can be a Nationalist any more, without being labelled a racist mostly. The BNP are Fascist's, they say they want to "re-locate" people not from England back to their home, for example. This is bad, but being a patriot isn't.[/QUOTE]
I see, well that has clarified the whole thing a bit better for me. It is quite a long time since I read up on this subject. Thanks for the thoughtful explanation.
I don't see why not. Hitler happened before hitler, in form of Djhingis Khan. You don't even need starving people. All you need is a major happening and someone to blame on. That way Hitler got all(not really) of the Germans to approve the holocaust. Also he did a coup d'etat, otherwise he wouldn't have the power to start such a thing.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;19484480]I see, well that has clarified the whole thing a bit better for me. It is quite a long time since I read up on this subject. Thanks for the thoughtful explanation.[/QUOTE]
No problem, i suggest you read up on it, it is very interesting. Incidentally i hope to do my Politics Degree dissertation on Nazi Germany and it's ideology, i find it truly fascinating.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;19484487]I don't see why not. Hitler happened before hitler, in form of Djhingis Khan. You don't even need starving people. All you need is a major happening and someone to blame on. That way Hitler got all(not really) of the Germans to approve the holocaust. Also he did a coup d'etat, otherwise he wouldn't have the power to start such a thing.[/QUOTE]
Modern politics has become all about centrist policies and consensus politics. Anyone even pushing the boundaries of the right or even the left is instantly shot down and almost exiled by everyone. Even in a huge global recession no one has started a huge nationalist uprising close to the scale of Hitler, and i don't think there ever will be in our current societal state.
And Djinghis Khan wasn't like that. He just had an army, and thought it would be a good idea to pillage every village from china to Palestina.
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