• The Addicts' Lounge V. Peanut butter and marijuana sandwiches
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[QUOTE=Memnoth;40524441]The notion that the same logic applies to initiate a conversation with a stranger is scaring though as starting a relationship by stating that it's possible to conduct conversation by simply not making any sense borders on insanity. Or we would become two idiots talking nonsense, sharing the full committed impression that being social is redundant by providing the redundancy in the first place by basing a relationship on nothing.[/QUOTE] Memnoth may I first say I appreciate and respect your honesty, openness and most specifically the clarity of which you present your points, however i'd like to propose something to you. You say you use language as a self defense mechanism, which is intriguing to me because I personally find very specific language to be a bit of a bold move in itself, most people "self defend" in communication through vagueness, where as you're more focused on getting a specific point across. You clearly have a strong, articulate mind, you shouldn't down talk it in any way shape or form. It's a beautiful thing to be able to use language with the precision and validity that you do, but i'm gonna take a stab in the dark based on my own experiences with language and communication that your frustration would lie in the fact that most people, specifically on facebook simply don't put in the effort to really connect with you. Language is a joy, writing is a very cathartic form of self expression. But social networks like facebook are largely reliant on short, compressed forms of communication, essentially crippling eloquence and strong articulation of the mind. You really should take advantage of it, but you're worried about criticism, well, let me ask you this is it criticism you're afraid of or is it that desire, strive for perfection with your language that's really stopping you from taking advantage of it? hear me out here, striving for perfection with anything is a double edged sword, and I implore that you strike with the side that isn't self criticizing, because that self criticizing side is the side that makes you think "what if other people think this is shit", it's an insecurity about your own ability, but you really shouldn't be, you're far better with language than the majority of native english speakers I know Just write, you have fantastic articulation, the only thing stopping you is you. of course you don't /have/ too, that's up to you ultimately, but i'm sure it'd be beneficial in more ways than one. Just my 2 cents
To be fair we don't actually know how he interacts with people outside this forum. You can easily retain a balance of articulation and informality though.
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;40524660]Memnoth may I first say I appreciate and respect your honesty, openness and most specifically the clarity of which you present your points, however i'd like to propose something to you.[/QUOTE] Thanks, but if I didn't understand that there is something to gain from being open, I wouldn't have openly proposed myself as now committing to being more open. The ability to express my fears simply sped up the process as I got more attention perpetuating my behavior of believing there is nothing to fear.
if I was on acid right now i'd be convinced we're the same person. I'm trying to actively stop caring and get over internal fears that are completely irrational,it sounds like you're on the same kind of path or at least something similar.. I wish you luck with perpetuating that kind of attitude, just try not to overthink things and actively put yourself out of your comfort zone where possible so as to expand it and allow those sort of social interactions that you're hiding from to become more of a normal thing. I went through something similar, and I still sometimes hide from those situations when they come around, it's a constant work in progress. Time and objectiveness will get you where you want, treat every experience as a learning experience, i'm confident you'll be able to achieve what you're aiming for
[QUOTE=Lukeo;40524711]To be fair we don't actually know how he interacts with people outside this forum. You can easily retain a balance of articulation and informality though.[/QUOTE] Maybe the single notion that I have a natural strive to over-analyze conversation, gives me a pronounced ability to alter it. [editline]4th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Inzalonus;40524826]if I was on acid right now i'd be convinced we're the same person. I'm trying to actively stop caring and get over internal fears that are completely irrational,it sounds like you're on the same kind of path or at least something similar.. I wish you luck with perpetuating that kind of attitude, just try not to overthink things and actively put yourself out of your comfort zone where possible so as to expand it and allow those sort of social interactions that you're hiding from to become more of a normal thing. I went through something similar, and I still sometimes hide from those situations when they come around, it's a constant work in progress. Time and objectiveness will get you where you want, treat every experience as a learning experience, i'm confident you'll be able to achieve what you're aiming for[/QUOTE] We need a collective to be whole as a social group of beings, so what if I said that we are actually the same person on the note that the only thing humans usually talk about, is emotions? With the only thing separating us is location and experience, so as we share emotions: We share ourselves, that makes us whole. That makes us a family as caring and needing are the exact same thing: Emotions.
well i've long been under the impression that humans are just the equivalent of cells to whatever our higher level of consciousness is, communication through the means of internet is allowing that connection and constant, dynamic democratic process to really take shape yet we're still stuck in subjective experience. a while back after I had a complete ego dissolution I could look at groups of people walking around together and i'd see them as one entity, so to speak, rather than individuals. and for the same reason I still argue that god as a construct is a very real entity, if you consider the effect of religion on the people that believe in it and commune that belief. I still see things this way but I try not to over think it and instead put more focus on living my life and playing my role in it, kind of hard when i'm so lost as to what my fucking role in it all is, so I just try to enjoy myself for the most part however I can... drugs, people, objective goals etc
You've got a real type of thing going down, gettin' down there's a whole lot of rhythm goin' round [video=youtube;ImI78s638hQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImI78s638hQ[/video] Give up the funk!
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;40525024]well i've long been under the impressions that humans are just the equivalent of cells to whatever our higher level of consciousness is, communication through the means of internet is allowing that connection and constant, dynamic democratic process to really take shape yet we're still stuck in subjective experience. a while back when I had a complete ego dissolution I could look at groups of people walking around together and i'd see them as one entity, so to speak, rather than individuals. and for the same reason I still argue that god as a construct is a very real entity, if you consider the effect of religion on the people that believe in it and commune that belief. I still see things this way but I try not to over think it and instead put more focus on living my life and playing my role in it, kind of hard when i'm so lost as to what my fucking role in it all is[/QUOTE] Did you know that there is absolutely no semantic difference between the Christian God and moral behavior? The bible survives in the behavior of humanity by being a purely logical approach to altruism, that's a flawless construct. And as we are nothing but our own behavior, that means we learn and live in a collective unit, and the name of this unit is Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40525118]Did you know that there is absolutely no semantic difference between the Christian God and moral behavior? The bible survives in the behavior of humanity by being a purely logical approach to altruism, that's a flawless construct. And as we are nothing but our own behavior, that means we learn and live in a collective unit, and the name of this unit is Homo Sapiens Sapiens.[/QUOTE] The world really is full of wonders isn't it? You know what kind of implications this thought pattern has and the depth to which you could tumble down the rabbit hole with the philosophies surrounding it though, right? I don't want to discourage thoughtful conversation but i've personally had my head run in more than enough times during trips trying to take in the meaning of it all, only to realize that regardless of how things are, regardless of how you look at them it doesn't change the fact that this is me, this is the body i'm in, this is the experience i'm having now and it's mine to make the most of. Although I wont lie, the tumble is tempting, universal oneness is a timeless experience that i'm sure I, not this body, but the I itself has experienced an infinite amount of times. Possibly the only time i've ever truly felt myself in this god forsaken universe. Consider this, we are all "I", but for "I" to be a thing there has to be a "you" to relate too, but is the "you" really someone else or is it just an illusion created for "me" to talk to myself without realizing i'm crazy? they say the first sign of madness is talking to yourself and the universe is constantly self communicating. It really is the mad hatter's domain, so to speak
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;40525205]The world really is full of wonders isn't it? You know what kind of implications this thought pattern has and the depth to which you could tumble down the rabbit hole with the philosophies surrounding it though, right? I don't want to discourage thoughtful conversation but i've personally had my head run in more than enough times during trips trying to take in the meaning of it all, only to realize that regardless of how things are, regardless of how you look at them it doesn't change the fact that this is me, this is the body i'm in, this is the experience i'm having now and it's mine to make the most of. Although I wont lie, the tumble is tempting, universal oneness is a timeless experience that i'm sure I, not this body, but the I itself has experienced an infinite amount of times. Possibly the only time i've ever truly felt myself in this god forsaken universe. Consider this, we are all "me", but for "me" to be a thing there has to be a "you", but is the "you" really someone else or is it just an illusion created for "me" to talk to myself without realizing i'm crazy?[/QUOTE] I don't think it really matters, the only thing you experience is the coherency of a brain and that itself constitutes a scientific fact that its impossible to perceive not being aware and as time is a construct, I don't think there is anything to worry about as the time gaps this suggests is something that's scientifically indeterminate in nature as we can not perceive the whole universe when the nature of perceiving is being part of a whole.
well of course it doesn't really matter, but where's the fun in that? On that note, the other night while on DXM i was stuck in a thought loop in my mind, 3 Doors, no matter which door i'd go through i'd end up at another set of doors. Anyone else ever been to that place? one of my friends once mentioned something about doors in his mind so it kind of got me curious
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;40525205]they say the first sign of madness is talking to yourself and the universe is constantly self communicating. It really is the mad hatter's domain, so to speak[/QUOTE] Though our species isn't really talking to itself is it? Communication is just the ability to form a society, nothing else benefits from communication, so it shouldn't matter how the communication is perceived as its a random product of evolution.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40525284]Though our species isn't really talking to itself is it? Communication is just the ability to form a society, nothing else benefits from communication, so it shouldn't matter how the communication is perceived as its a random product of evolution.[/QUOTE] you could say that, you could also look at it from another perspective and consider the implications of social formation in the first place. Why? Is the universe just trying to form back into one whole, or is it actively trying to become more self aware? I don't personally think there's much meaning behind it other than it just is, but it's fun to think about
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40523068]After spending 30 hours straight on scrutinizing the bible, experience a brief identity crisis and researching every conceivable synonym remotely connected to the word religion, solely based on an impulse created by being questioned on my understanding in the definition of the word religion I might consider the possibility that I have an inferiority complex. The person subjected to questioning me received a message on Facebook to which the message itself proves that verbosity can make the statement "MY LOGIC IS FLAWLESS" redundant to the point of meeting criteria in harassment. I actively practice perfection in usage of syntactical pragmatism and understanding how synonyms change the semantic viewpoint of words as a self defense mechanism based on the fear of being vulnerable in conversation and have done so for 8 years. I should write a thank you letter to my verbally abusive mother that growing up living with her not only provided me with an emotional affinity for life long substance abuse but also the expressive ability of William Shakespeare to justify it's existence. I can't stop distancing myself from friends or other social obligations because I'm too afraid to let anyone see that I am broken. And I would never admit that this is true without being intoxicated enough to blur the notion that conversation is a battlefield for me. At least I'm numb enough to not care, even if it's for a brief moment.[/QUOTE] Hey bro If I knew you in real life Id totally smoke a jay with you and totally be cool with not talking at all if thats what you wanted, you're a reall all good dude my man
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;40525312]you could say that, you could also look at it from another perspective and consider the implications of social formation in the first place. Why? Is the universe just trying to form back into one whole, or is it actively trying to become more self aware? I don't personally think there's much meaning behind it other than it just is, but it's fun to think about[/QUOTE] There is no why as it denotes purpose, and something that's not conscious can not determine purpose. The science on social formation is simply that its in a social formation, there will never be a fully observed universe as part of it needs to support the observation leaving all philosophy and guessing to be pointless in nature.
I think that's a good way to look at it to be honest, as I said my major focus is on just living my life at the moment, i'm trying not to get too caught up in the why's and what if's, but it's a fun little thought trip from time to time and I don't really need psychedelics anymore to go down that train of thought, but I learnt a long time ago that there's not really anything to be... learned from questioning it all and trying to work it all out because those kind of questions don't really have an answer. Experience is the greatest teacher when it comes to real life
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;40525387]I think that's a good way to look at it to be honest, as I said my major focus is on just living my life at the moment, i'm trying not to get too caught up in the why's and what if's, but it's a fun little thought trip from time to time and I don't really need psychedelics anymore to go down that train of thought, but I learnt a long time ago that there's not really anything to be... learned from questioning it all and trying to work it all out because those kind of questions don't really have an answer. Experience is the greatest teacher when it comes to real life.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that the fact that there is no why is the answer to its own question. That's the nature of the universe, and understanding that is learning.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40525444]I'm saying that the fact that there is no why is the answer to its own question. That's the nature of the universe, and understanding that is learning.[/QUOTE] sorry I think I sort of got my point across wrong, That's part of the conclusion I came too, I meant more along the lines of there is no answer because the question is invalidated by the fact that there is no cause for the question to exist in the first place other than human curiosity. If there is no why, then the question of "why" has no answer because it's invalidated by the fact that there is no reasoning for it. To say it's the answer to it's own question is a bit of a contradiction because it implies that there is an answer to it in the first place, "why? there is no why" It answers it, but it also doesn't, It's a paradox because the question still remains even if the answer is the same I hope that makes sense? I think we're coming from the same point here just expressing it slightly differently edit: fuck and I still don't feel like i'm articulating what I mean properly. TL;DR I agree with you but i'm just viewing it from a slightly different perspective/articulating it in a different way and i'm too fucking tired and self contradicting myself as I go and my ability to communicate with audacity is failing me so i'm just gonna call it a night. It's been a good chat, I wish you luck in your goals
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40525320]Hey bro If I knew you in real life Id totally smoke a jay with you and totally be cool with not talking at all if thats what you wanted, you're a reall all good dude my man[/QUOTE] That's a kind thing to say, but I'm actually not that anti-social. Smoking a large dose of hash after being awake for 3 days on amphetamine has the ability to make you spiral out of control mentally, especially when there has been no food intake in the last 30 hours. I'd totally smoke one with you too though. [editline]4th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Inzalonus;40525465]sorry I think I sort of got my point across wrong, That's part of the conclusion I came too, I meant more along the lines of there is no answer because the question is invalidated by the fact that there is no cause for the question to exist in the first place other than human curiosity. If there is no why, then the question of "why" has no answer because it's invalidated by the fact that there is no reasoning for it. To say it's the answer to it's own question is a bit of a contradiction because it implies that there is an answer to it in the first place, "why? there is no why" It answers it, but it also doesn't, It's a paradox because the question still remains even if the answer is the same I hope that makes sense? I think we're coming from the same point here just expressing it slightly differently edit: fuck and I still don't feel like i'm articulating what I mean properly. TL;DR I agree with you but i'm just viewing it from a slightly different perspective/articulating it in a different way and i'm too fucking tired and self contradicting myself as I go[/QUOTE] You make perfect sense. The answer to the question of why is "Because its scientific in nature.". That doesn't invalidate the question.
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40525486]That's a kind thing to say, but I'm actually not that anti-social. Smoking a large dose of hash after being awake for 3 days on amphetamine has the ability to make you spiral out of control mentally, especially when there has been no food intake in the last 30 hours. I'd totally smoke one with you too though. [editline]4th May 2013[/editline] You make perfect sense. The answer to the question of why is "Because its scientific in nature.". That doesn't invalidate the question.[/QUOTE] I suppose that's about the only answer that really fits, i'm sure I had more to say but it's beyond me now, i don't really want to dwell in that rabbit hole of thought too much longer.
sweet man I plan to travel europe one day seeing as I have a british passport so maybe someday we can make it happen bro also on the topic of smoking i realised that because I live in new zealand I can travel to antartica easier than most so i plan on going there once in my life and bringing some weed along and getting high there, would be absolutely amazing
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40525562]sweet man I plan to travel europe one day seeing as I have a british passport so maybe someday we can make it happen bro also on the topic of smoking i realised that because I live in new zealand I can travel to antartica easier than most so i plan on going there once in my life and bringing some weed along and getting high there, would be absolutely amazing[/QUOTE] make sure you catch an aurora, I really wanna see one on mushrooms, i'm also keen for an eclipse while tripping
[QUOTE=Memnoth;40525486]That's a kind thing to say, but I'm actually not that anti-social. Smoking a large dose of hash after being awake for 3 days on amphetamine has the ability to make you spiral out of control mentally, especially when there has been no food intake in the last 30 hours. I'd totally smoke one with you too though. [editline]4th May 2013[/editline] You make perfect sense. The answer to the question of why is "Because its scientific in nature.". That doesn't invalidate the question.[/QUOTE]
memnoth its so hard to read your posts when im too high
[QUOTE=Inzalonus;40525553]I suppose that's about the only answer that really fits, i'm sure I had more to say but it's beyond me now, i don't really want to dwell in that rabbit hole of thought too much longer.[/QUOTE] When we question the nature of the universe and we lack both a philosophical and scientific answer, then its beyond all of us as its not relevant to our existence.
[QUOTE=geogzm;40521039]I was thinking that but I can't figure out where that scene would go in the film. They were in this run down kinda warehousey area full of thugs.[/QUOTE] Nah, I'm sure it's Commando.
I just smoked another blunt, there is a weird retirement home connected to the apartment building I currently live in that's shaped as a square minus one side with the middle being a yard. My balcony faces the yard, and there is a man randomly yelling out "HELP!" at some times. Hes done that for months so I've grown tolerant of it, and generally feel that things that require you to yell out "HELP!" from, isn't compatible with an acute signaling of distress two months before the actual damage is happening. But it freaks me out when I'm high, and to sit and laugh at a man yelling out for help solely based on the sensation of no apparent danger while wearing sunglasses after the sun has started to go down and smoking a weird looking cigarette is not really the ideal advocacy of neighbor hospitality. [editline]4th May 2013[/editline] Apparently that's the signal to consider moving.
Parents kick me out of the house might be breaking up with girlfriend of 5 years cool day guys
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;40525562]sweet man I plan to travel europe one day seeing as I have a british passport so maybe someday we can make it happen bro also on the topic of smoking i realised that because I live in new zealand I can travel to antartica easier than most so i plan on going there once in my life and bringing some weed along and getting high there, would be absolutely amazing[/QUOTE] Man I've always wanted to go to Antarctica for some reason, just seems interesting to visit such a unique landscape in this world.
Smoked somewhere around 10 bowls with my bro's last night. That was nice.
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