• My girlfriend of three years just confessed to me that she used to be a man
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[QUOTE=BROSEPH;37678762]so you didn't notice a missing cervix/vaginal fluid/no periods?[/QUOTE] Sometimes women take a contraceptive called "The Pill" which means they don't have periods Also damn, if you're able to feel a woman's cervix just by having sex with her, you must have like an 18" penis
[QUOTE=VIOLATION_SNG;37677817]Honestly she never deceived you in my opinion. She was and is a woman so really nothing changed basically besides that fact that you now know she cannot bear a child.[/QUOTE] Whether you accept the thesis that you're a woman when you think of yourself as one or not, this is kinda in the box with "I had a relationship with your best friend before you, that you do not know of and either of us just pretended that it never happened" - it's not evil, 'cause the intention isn't bad and no-one is really hurt in the end, but having people avoiding talking about it, make it seem like it never happen, etc. is really something I'd call a cover-up, even if there's really no wrong-doing involved. [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=VIOLATION_SNG;37678765]Have you read the damn thread at all? It's not like you stick your head up your girlfriends vagina every day to see if she's having her period.[/QUOTE] Ehh, I had a girlfriend for six months, and without looking into her vagina every morning, I did notice that sometimes sex would be a questionable option. [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Splurgy_A;37679726]Sometimes women take a contraceptive called "The Pill" which means they don't have periods Also damn, if you're able to feel a woman's cervix just by having sex with her, you must have like an 18" penis[/QUOTE] I think you need to read up on "the pill" - it doesn't magically prevent menstruation.
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;37679726] Also damn, if you're able to feel a woman's cervix just by having sex with her, you must have like an 18" penis[/QUOTE] Cervix is located ca 7 inches deep, so it's not impossible to hit it for many men.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37679649]People who don't get the subject of transgenderism getting absolutely slated in massive arguments, and people trying to make other feels bad if they're not attracted to transgendered people, because fuck a persons right to their own sexuality.[/QUOTE] Thankfully so far we appear to be experiencing comparably low percentages of both.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37679649]People who don't get the subject of transgenderism getting absolutely slated in massive arguments, and people trying to make other feels bad if they're not attracted to transgendered people, because fuck a persons right to their own sexuality.[/QUOTE] It's not really about that. OK, first off, I can more than understand why someone would feel like there's been a betrayal of trust in a relationship. It is a big deal for a lot of people, although surely you can appreciate why she wouldn't bring it up. Now then, in terms of being attracted to transgender women [quote] [IMG]http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25700000/Hyuna-kim-hyuna-25780709-477-624.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://anthonyinphuket.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/p2-10.jpg[/IMG][img]http://www.thai-blogs.com/media/blogs/steve//Poy4.jpg[/img] [IMG]http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/images/39/2011/11/56db92171992cad2b9c9f8daee2c814d.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://content6.flixster.com/photo/12/41/82/12418276_gal.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef016303a67239970d-600wi[/IMG][IMG]http://www.sarcasticmyspace.com/graphics/blakkfrogg/comments163/pics_girls-hot-blonde-with-cleavage.jpg[/IMG][/quote] Some of these women are transgender, some of them are cisgender. You probably can't work out which ones are which just by looking at them. If you can, I've picked some crappy examples because I'm kind of drunk and in a rush. If you're attracted to any of the above women, it's because they're beautiful women. If they have a great set of tits and a nice vagina, great, you know? Whether they're transgender or not is kinda irrelevant to whether you find them attractive. Unless you're a gynaecologist wielding a speculum, you're not going to be able to tell a well done surgically constructed vagina apart from a cisgender woman's vagina. So that doesn't really come into it. If, upon learning a woman is transgender you suddenly stop finding her attractive, that's your deal. But maybe introspect on why that is. I mean personally I wouldn't want to have sex with a trans man because female to male genital surgery isn't very good so it doesn't quite work all down there. But if a transgender bloke could get a dick that worked 100% fine and looked like a regular penis, I wouldn't give a shit about whether he was cisgender or transgender. If you see a hot woman with great tits and a nice vag, why do you care if she was born that way or needed a bit of surgical help?
[QUOTE=genkaz92;37679798]Thankfully so far we appear to be experiencing comparably low percentages of both.[/QUOTE] I've seen plenty of both.
[QUOTE=genkaz92;37679798]Thankfully so far we appear to be experiencing comparably low percentages of both.[/QUOTE] It seems like the entire thread is bias. If you don't want to have a committed relationship with a transsexual, you're suddenly a bad guy because you want children.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;37677152]She IS a real girl and you have no reason to be sad or worried.[/QUOTE] You see, I always found this arguement fucking retarded because it's completely wrong from a realistic point of view. Genetically the person is a man, and they only reason they resemble a man is because they had a procedure to change there genital appearance by cutting it up and sewing it up. They then take outside hormones not produced by their body to help change there body. Regardless though, there still a man. They are a man with a mutilated penis and they lack a lot of thingS woman do. They don't have a uterus, they don't have periods, and they can't even self lubricate. I don't give a damn if it shatters there self view, the reality of it is that they ARE a man.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37679837]It seems like the entire thread is bias. If you don't want to have a committed relationship with a transsexual, you're suddenly a bad guy because you want children.[/QUOTE] It's not so much that. If you don't want to have a committed relationship with a woman who can't have kids, that's your deal. I mean I'd say that's a bit harsh, but w/e. If you don't want to have a committed relationship with a trans woman purely because she's trans, that's still your deal, but you need to think why that is. Is "She can't have kids?" just a handy excuse? [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DinoJesus;37679848]You see, I always found this arguement fucking retarded because it's completely wrong from a realistic point of view. Genetically the person is a man, and they only reason they resemble a man is because they had a procedure to change there genital appearance by cutting it up and sewing it up. They then take outside hormones not produced by their body to help change there body. Regardless though, there still a man. They are a man with a mutilated penis and they lack a lot of thingS woman do. They don't have a uterus, they don't have periods, and they can't even self lubricate. I don't give a damn if it shatters there self view, the reality of it is that they ARE a man.[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome]Ahem[/url]
Let her give you the dick
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;37679848]You see, I always found this arguement fucking retarded because it's completely wrong from a realistic point of view. Genetically the person is a man, and they only reason they resemble a man is because they had a procedure to change there genital appearance by cutting it up and sewing it up. They then take outside hormones not produced by their body to help change there body. Regardless though, there still a man. They are a man with a mutilated penis and they lack a lot of thingS woman do. They don't have a uterus, they don't have periods, and they can't even self lubricate. I don't give a damn if it shatters there self view, the reality of it is that they ARE a man.[/QUOTE] I gave you a gold star for your bravery because all the transgendered people are going to go batshit at your post. [QUOTE=Splurgy_A;37679853]It's not so much that. If you don't want to have a committed relationship with a woman who can't have kids, that's your deal. I mean I'd say that's a bit harsh, but w/e. If you don't want to have a committed relationship with a trans woman purely because she's trans, that's still your deal, but you need to think why that is. Is "She can't have kids?" just a handy excuse?[/QUOTE] I would have sex with a transgendered women if science allowed her to have kids. ALL I WANT ARE KIDS. [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BorisJ;37679875]Let her give you the dick[/QUOTE] it's removed it's floating in a jar in a lab as we speak
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;37679848]You see, I always found this arguement fucking retarded because it's completely wrong from a realistic point of view. Genetically the person is a man, and they only reason they resemble a man is because they had a procedure to change there genital appearance by cutting it up and sewing it up. They then take outside hormones not produced by their body to help change there body. Regardless though, there still a man. They are a man with a mutilated penis and they lack a lot of thingS woman do. They don't have a uterus, they don't have periods, and they can't even self lubricate. I don't give a damn if it shatters there self view, the reality of it is that they ARE a man.[/QUOTE] anyone can claim to have a "realistic" point of view the realism is that she looks like a woman and it didn't stop the op from being fond of her before, ergo REALISTICALLY nothing has changed you might not give a damn but that makes you a giant prick who will only have giant prick friends who sit in a group arguing about how everyone doesn't have "realistic" view your realistic view is shit and bad for the human race please cease and desist.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;37679848]You see, I always found this arguement fucking retarded because it's completely wrong from a realistic point of view. Genetically the person is a man, and they only reason they resemble a man is because they had a procedure to change there genital appearance by cutting it up and sewing it up. They then take outside hormones not produced by their body to help change there body. Regardless though, there still a man. They are a man with a mutilated penis and they lack a lot of thingS woman do. They don't have a uterus, they don't have periods, and they can't even self lubricate. I don't give a damn if it shatters there self view, the reality of it is that they ARE a man.[/QUOTE] "Genetically a man" So they have a Y chromosome. So what? Some women have Y chromosomes. Some men have two X chromosomes. Is it that they were born a man? Well they were also born a child. They are neither anymore. They lack a lot of things women can do, like ovulate, or lactate. Well so what? Some women can't ovulate or lactate. Hell, some men can lactate. [I]Even if[/I] none of these things were true, the point would still stand that calling a transwoman "really" a man is epistemically vacuous. It doesn't actually correspond to anything in the world. "Male" and "Female" are two labels you use to say that someone has a lot of traits that very often correlate with each other, like appearance, behavior, genetics, gametes, sexual organs, etc. But if you know all of those individual things already, it [I]ceases to be a meaningful thing[/I] to say if they are "really" male of female. "The reality" is that you have a very skewed and naive view of gender and sex, and you'd do well to actually research the topic, or better yet actually meet some transpeople and talk to them.
[QUOTE=Splurgy_A;37679823]It's not really about that. OK, first off, I can more than understand why someone would feel like there's been a betrayal of trust in a relationship. It is a big deal for a lot of people, although surely you can appreciate why she wouldn't bring it up. Now then, in terms of being attracted to transgender women Some of these women are transgender, some of them are cisgender. You probably can't work out which ones are which just by looking at them. If you can, I've picked some crappy examples because I'm kind of drunk and in a rush. If you're attracted to any of the above women, it's because they're beautiful women. If they have a great set of tits and a nice vagina, great, you know? Whether they're transgender or not is kinda irrelevant to whether you find them attractive. Unless you're a gynaecologist wielding a speculum, you're not going to be able to tell a well done surgically constructed vagina apart from a cisgender woman's vagina. So that doesn't really come into it. If, upon learning a woman is transgender you suddenly stop finding her attractive, that's your deal. But maybe introspect on why that is. I mean personally I wouldn't want to have sex with a trans man because female to male genital surgery isn't very good so it doesn't quite work all down there. But if a transgender bloke could get a dick that worked 100% fine and looked like a regular penis, I wouldn't give a shit about whether he was cisgender or transgender. If you see a hot woman with great tits and a nice vag, why do you care if she was born that way or needed a bit of surgical help?[/QUOTE] I'd say 2,3,4 and 6 are transgender
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37679885] I would have sex with a transgendered women if science allowed her to have kids. ALL I WANT ARE KIDS. [/QUOTE] aren't you like 16 years old? you shouldn't be looking at relationships based on their probability for children.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37679837]It seems like the entire thread is bias. If you don't want to have a committed relationship with a transsexual, you're suddenly a bad guy because you want children.[/QUOTE] A human is mentally incapable of producing something that is truly inbiased, human logic simply does not exist without bias. And so far this thread focused a lot more on supposed trust issues rather than having children specifically.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37679905]anyone can claim to have a "realistic" point of view the realism is that she looks like a woman and it didn't stop the op from being fond of her before, ergo REALISTICALLY nothing has changed you might not give a damn but that makes you a giant prick who will only have giant prick friends who sit in a group arguing about how everyone doesn't have "realistic" view your realistic view is shit and bad for the human race please cease and desist.[/QUOTE] Whether the OP wants to continue the relationship is down to the OP. If he wants to carry on then good for him, but if he doesn't people shouldn't start judging him as transphobic
[QUOTE=thisispain;37679929]aren't you like 16 years old? you shouldn't be looking at relationships based on their probability for children.[/QUOTE] Yes I am. But I'm not planning to be in a committed relationship at this time.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37679941]Whether the OP wants to continue the relationship is down to the OP. If he wants to carry on then good for him, but if he doesn't people shouldn't start judging him as transphobic[/QUOTE] transphobia is a condition. he doesn't even have to be transphobic, but he might break up with her because he doesn't want other people to think he goes out with transsexuals. not everyone can be a shining warrior against the perils of transphobia, but it will compound the problem and make the other person feel like shit
[QUOTE=thisispain;37679905]anyone can claim to have a "realistic" point of view the realism is that she looks like a woman and it didn't stop the op from being fond of her before, ergo REALISTICALLY nothing has changed you might not give a damn but that makes you a giant prick who will only have giant prick friends who sit in a group arguing about how everyone doesn't have "realistic" view your realistic view is shit and bad for the human race please cease and desist.[/QUOTE] So if you had been with someone and found out they had hidden something huge from you for 3 years ; you'd be ok with it?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37679947]Yes I am. But I'm not planning to be in a committed relationship at this time.[/QUOTE] lmao [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BorisJ;37679962]So if you had been with someone and found out they had hidden something huge from you for 3 years ; you'd be ok with it?[/QUOTE] this has never happened to me so i couldn't "realistically" tell you how i'd react. but this isn't really a big deal. maybe if it was something like "I have a drug problem" or "I'm actually a serial rapist" maybe i'd be a little bothered
[QUOTE=thisispain;37679978]lmao[/QUOTE] I don't understand?
[QUOTE=thisispain;37679978]this has never happened to me so i couldn't "realistically" tell you how i'd react. but this isn't really a big deal. maybe if it was something like "I have a drug problem" or "I'm actually a serial rapist" maybe i'd be a little bothered[/QUOTE] It isn't really a big deal that his significant other didn't tell him of the condition earlier? I'd understand waiting a while, but 3 years....
[QUOTE=BorisJ;37679962]So if you had been with someone and found out they had hidden something huge from you for 3 years ; you'd be ok with it?[/QUOTE] That is one of the things that this thread appears to be experiencing a misconception on. Her initially acquiring the physical sex of a male is completely trivial and irrelevant to her actual gender. The only complaint that I personally view as somewhat valid is someone's desire to have biological children, at which point the issue becomes significantly more controversial.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37679926]I'd say 2,3,4 and 6 are transgender[/QUOTE] Number four is Tamsin Grieg, a famous cisgender female British actress (admittedly with a different haircut to what she normally has). Number five is transgender. Number six is cisgender. See? You can't tell just by looking. I'm part of my Uni's LGBT society and I was really suprised to learn some of the people I saw around campus were transgender. You'd never have guessed.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680014]I don't understand?[/QUOTE] give it a couple of years [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BorisJ;37680019]It isn't really a big deal that his significant other didn't tell him of the condition earlier? I'd understand waiting a while, but 3 years....[/QUOTE] it's obvious you don't understand how this works. generally you wait to tell controversial things to each other. trust is a two-way street. no-one's gonna tell you their deep secrets if you don't share your own deep secrets and for some people it can take years.
[QUOTE=BorisJ;37680019]It isn't really a big deal that his significant other didn't tell him of the condition earlier? I'd understand waiting a while, but 3 years....[/QUOTE] It [i]is[/i] a big deal. It's also understandable. If a woman admits to being transgender then she's liable to face harassment, discrimination and violence. Society is very transphobic and often doesn't view transgender women as "real" women. So it's very difficult for someone who "passes" (i.e. looks like a cisgender woman and who you'd never suspect was transgender) to go around telling people she's transgender because she risks getting beaten up. You could say it's a betrayal of trust, but it's a two way street - a lot of people would dismiss a transgender person out of hand, but given time wouldn't. She's probably very scared right now. OP said earlier that he was going to stick with his gf, so good for him. OP if you're still reading I'd recommend not mentioning to her that you made a thread on the internet, I doubt she'd be very happy with that.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37679905] your realistic view is shit and bad for the human race please cease and desist.[/QUOTE] See, science can cause intolerance just as religion does but that's an argument for another thread
[QUOTE=andrey191919;37675420]Yes, she enjoys playing age of empires.[/QUOTE] Keep dating.
[QUOTE=RobbL;37680090]See, science can cause intolerance just as religion does but that's an argument for another thread[/QUOTE] i know it can, but science is about moving on while religion is about staying in the past
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