• My girlfriend of three years just confessed to me that she used to be a man
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[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680822]Is this the part of the argument where we lash out stupid insults[/QUOTE] no that started when you and dinojesus started belittling and dehumanizing trans people
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;37680753]Facepunch, land of the free and open discussions. A place were you can give you honest opinion without worrying that someone will rate you dumb simply because they have a differing viewpoint. It's rather ironic that the forum that has a hardon for freedom of speech will want someone banned simply because they say something they disagree with.[/QUOTE] it's your choice how you use free speech. you have exercised it, we have exercised ours. it just so happens that your opinion is batshit insane
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;37680797]You're in no position to lash out at someone as being immature when you're the pinnacle of immaturity.[/QUOTE] I'm not lashing out at anyone :v: You're the guy calling everyone a bigot, ignorant, and immature. You can take all the surgery, hormone treatments, and dress up to change yourself but you're still a dude.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680780]At the end it looked like he was about to throw a hissy fit. You're not supposed to argue when you are about to have a hissy fit because people don't really take you seriously if you do.[/QUOTE] I guess you could say the Black Rights movement was just a bunch of (racial slur in case of ban) throwing a hissy fit right? If you don't make a stand on something nothing is ever going to change. And people getting angry over something that affects them personally? Holy shit Batman call the Captain Obvious Police!
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680842]You can take all the surgery, hormone treatments, and dress up to change yourself but you're still a dude.[/QUOTE] what is a "dude"?
[QUOTE=Onyx3173;37680826]She* [/QUOTE] I literally at the point of where I don't care anymore [QUOTE=Onyx3173;37680826] And yeah, they won't. But when you're getting really frustrated about something that matters a lot to you, that kind of thought isn't foremost in your mind. [/quote] I see what you mean because being correct matters to me and you just corrected me
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;37680799]Oh man I know I did not just get called ignorant by someone who thinks that gender is defined by some flabs of flesh, and that a man is gay for being physically attracted to feminine features on a body just because that person had a sex change.[/QUOTE] Look mate, I fully support you, but you need to stop replying to them lest this turns into a flame war. There are more people here that disagree with them than agree with you, so let it be.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680842]I'm not lashing out at anyone :v: You're the guy calling everyone a bigot, ignorant, and immature. You can take all the surgery, hormone treatments, and dress up to change yourself but you're still a dude.[/QUOTE] Explain to me what defines a man. So far not a single one of you guys have given me an adequate answer.
[QUOTE=thisispain;37680852]what is a "dude"?[/QUOTE] According to the dictionary it's a pimple on a cow's or an elephant's ass.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680842]I'm not lashing out at anyone :v: You're the guy calling everyone a bigot, ignorant, and immature. You can take all the surgery, hormone treatments, and dress up to change yourself but you're still a dude.[/QUOTE] So if surgery can't change your sex um... What about when science can give transwomen a fully working female reproductive system? When a transwoman is perfectly identical to someone born as a women how can you possibly rationalize not considering the transwoman a woman?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680842]I'm not lashing out at anyone :v: You're the guy calling everyone a bigot, ignorant, and immature. You can take all the surgery, hormone treatments, and dress up to change yourself but you're still a dude.[/QUOTE] Do you express these opinions to people in the physical world? I can see you getting punched in the face a [I]lot[/I]
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;37680844]I guess you could say the Black Rights movement was just a bunch of (racial slur in case of ban) throwing a hissy fit right?[/QUOTE] are you seriously comparing this petty argument to a massive rights movement I am actually pretty frustrated right now from your idiocy [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;37680834]no that started when you and dinojesus started belittling and dehumanizing trans people[/QUOTE] how the fuck am I dehumanizing them I stated the reason why I would not want to be a committed relationship with one many times and there was nothing rude about it.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680884]are you seriously comparing this petty argument to a massive rights movement I am actually pretty frustrated right now from your idiocy[/QUOTE] Hey, transgenders and gays are being oppressed the same way blacks basically were back in the 60s. This "petty argument" is only a small portion of a much bigger problem. And we can't tackle the big problem without tackling the small ones now can we?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680884]are you seriously comparing this petty argument to a massive rights movement I am actually pretty frustrated right now from your idiocy[/QUOTE] What is wrong with making comparisons like that if they are similar? Perhaps not in magnitude but in every other way seriously the people that say 'you're not comparing this to this/that?!' don't understand that a comparison isn't absolute
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680854]I literally at the point of where I don't care anymore[/QUOTE] But it matters to T-Sonar.0 and if she's already frustrated with people, calling her by a pronoun she sees as disrespectful of her wishes won't help the situation at all. You've gotta keep in mind that just because you have trouble caring doesn't mean you shouldn't take a bit of effort to keep things reasonably respectful.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;37680908]Hey, transgenders and gays are being oppressed the same way blacks basically were back in the 60s.[/QUOTE] Hahahaha bullshit. Comparing that to what the blacks went through is fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;37680908]Hey, transgenders and gays are being oppressed the same way blacks basically were back in the 60s.[/QUOTE] you just fucking oh my god I am I can't type anymore
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680854]I literally at the point of where I don't care anymore[/QUOTE] you're also literally at the point where you're being a complete dick for no reason, funny coincidence huh
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680945]you just fucking oh my god I am I can't type anymore[/QUOTE] finally
[QUOTE=Onyx3173;37680916]But it matters to T-Sonar.0 and if she's already frustrated with people, calling her by a pronoun she sees as disrespectful of her wishes won't help the situation at all. You've gotta keep in mind that just because you have trouble caring doesn't mean you shouldn't take a bit of effort to keep things reasonably respectful.[/QUOTE] I honestly don't care if there's one person who is ignorant against me, Oynx. Let them be, in the end I'm the better person. My only concern is at least teaching SOMEONE who is lurking or not taking part to get educated on the matter. As long as one person has had their stance changed on the matter, in a positive way, I'm happy. Even if I don't know about it I'm happy. At least I did one good deed for the T part of the LGBT community. And it's just another small step into hopefully putting the stupid bigotry against LGBT to rest.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680884]are you seriously comparing this petty argument to a massive rights movement I am actually pretty frustrated right now from your idiocy [editline]15th September 2012[/editline] how the fuck am I dehumanizing them I stated the reason why I would not want to be a committed relationship with one many times and there was nothing rude about it.[/QUOTE] If you think that this is just a "petty argument" then obviously you don't understand the severity of what's being said.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680941]Hahahaha bullshit. Comparing that to what the blacks went through is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] Was there at any point in this world a government ordained death penalty for being black? I can think of a few countries where such a penalty exists right now for gays and transgender people.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680941]Hahahaha bullshit. Comparing that to what the blacks went through is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. The suicide rate for trans people is around 40% because they are treated so badly.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680884]I am actually pretty frustrated right now from your idiocy[/QUOTE] I'm sure we all feel the same about you. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;37680884]I stated the reason why I would not want to be a committed relationship with one many times and there was nothing rude about it.[/QUOTE] Yes there was. You continually implied they're different from ciswomen based on the fact they can't reproduce.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680941]Hahahaha bullshit. Comparing that to what the blacks went through is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] Aside from how blatantly subjective that last sentence was, let me break the argument down: They're not referring to the specific treatments that people were experiencing, but rather the same ideas and principles surrounding discrimination. Blacks were treated as lesser during that time period, and similarly now people are treating transgender men and women in similar rite, regardless of what they prefer. The analogy wasn't the best, but it was used to convey the connotation of discrimination.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680941]Hahahaha bullshit. Comparing that to what the blacks went through is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] It's actually pretty similar in many ways. Transpeople face the same sort of discrimination and violence. It's just easier for them to hied who they really are. Except hiding who they really are causes them undue stress and is the sort of thing that leads to the highly increased suicide rates amongst transpeople.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;37680963]If you think that this is just a "petty argument" then obviously you don't understand the severity of what's being said.[/QUOTE] If you seriously think that the black rights movement is less than what is going on now, then you need to read more history books.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680941]Hahahaha bullshit. Comparing that to what the blacks went through is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] Oh really? We may not be getting attacked by the police (which there have been cases regarding abuse of authority because someone was trans), or being told we can't go to certain places because of who we are, but that doesn't mean we're not still oppressed. How can you say that the government limiting the rights of gays and transgenders isn't as bad as what blacks went through?
Why are you guys and gals even bothering to argue your points to each other, everyone is entrenched in their unchanging views on the subject and people in this thread are just being disrespectful to each other and making themselves and/or other people upset. This isn't so much a General Discussion thread anymore as much as it is an upsetting debate thread, people are taking it too personally now.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;37680941]Hahahaha bullshit. Comparing that to what the blacks went through is fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE] Yeah, except black people don't get killed for being black very often whereas lots of trans people are beaten up and murdered for being trans every day, and in many states in the US it's legal to fire someone for being trans Oh btw you still didn't answer my point earlier so I made you a handy diagram. Print this out and carry it everywhere, it might help if you get confused [quote] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dU5k8.jpg[/IMG][/quote]
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