• Sick of all this Christian hate on Facepunch.
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[QUOTE=Kade;25626031]Science is a process of investigation. Not a belief system. It can't be hybridized with fairy tales.[/QUOTE] My point exactly. Scientific reasoning can help trim religion into solely the positive and worthwhile ideals it preaches. I actually like that you said fairy tales, because those are usually stories that use far-fetched situations to demonstrate morality, which is exactly what much of the holy books do. If, in a perfect world, we apply rational thinking to those insightful stories, we can extract everything great religion has to offer while dropping the literal bullshit interpretations. Oh and thanks for the optimistic rating, it's fitting. I doubt this would ever really happen.
If it turns out I go to hell for being atheist, I don't think I would mind that much. At least if I'm in purgatory and not residing next to fucking Satan or anything.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;25626056]Rwanda was just a civil war involving how big your nose was[/QUOTE] Yeah, if you were either a Tutsi or a Hutu.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;25625894]I am sorry but I fail to see what religion actually brings to the table.[/QUOTE] i'm not going to go into detail about how it pretty much brought about the advent of society and how it was the precursor to pretty much every modern scientific discipline such as physics astronomy chemistry and geology and ~even!~ evolutionary theory historically it's been one of the most incredible social and scientific movements in existence then there's also that today those who develop a personal relationship with god (not a church community) under times of stress (ie having cancer) greatly reduce their stress levels which strengthens immune systems and promotes general health (this is not to be confused with people saying "I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY MEDICINE GOD WILL HEAL ME" don't be fucking stupid, it's the people who do [I]both[/I] medicine and develop connection to god) then there's the fact that the western moral set is completely judeo-christian based any atheist on fp that discards everything religion has done for society is obviously a fucking child that has practically no knowledge of history whatsoever and has most likely never done any form of biblical study. i'm as atheist and bitter as you can get but i recognize wholeheartedly everything that religion has done and continues to do for people blaming religion for war is like blaming a gun or a spear or a fucking rock used to bash someone's skull in religion has always been used by upper classes as a way of motivating the public (who have already had the desire for war due generally to socioeconomic influences) tldr all of the shit that fp'ers cite as "evidence" for religion's fucked up actions in the past millenium can be explained completely by political / cultural analysis except for the shit that happens to gays haven't been able to explain that one yet besides the influence of religion; granted, christianity+the west are much more tolerant of it than arabic muslim cultures, so it may be more of an east/west thing - tolerance of gays in china is also pretty nonexistant
I'm a Christian with a pastor for a father and I think all the Christian "hate", as you so eloquently put it, is funny as hell. There's always truth to some stereotypes. Deal with it. Gain a sense of humor.
[QUOTE=Pascall;25626266]I'm a Christian with a pastor for a father and I think all the Christian "hate", as you so eloquently put it, is funny as hell. There's always truth to some stereotypes. Deal with it. Gain a sense of humor.[/QUOTE] I am too. Not to derail the thread, but what denomination?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;25626229]then there's also that today those who develop a personal relationship with god (not a church community) under times of stress (ie having cancer) greatly reduce their stress levels which strengthens immune systems and promotes general health (this is not to be confused with people saying "I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY MEDICINE GOD WILL HEAL ME" don't be fucking stupid, it's the people who do [I]both[/I] medicine and develop connection to god)[/QUOTE] That is on par with a blanket. Except a blanket can keep you warm
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;25626229] blaming religion for war is like blaming a gun or a spear or a fucking rock used to bash someone's skull in religion has always been used by upper classes as a way of motivating the public (who have already had the desire for war due generally to socioeconomic influences) [/QUOTE] Motivation isn't exactly why the upper classes of society have welcomed religion. If you look at all major religions such as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, even Buddhism have core belief systems that are based around the idea that one should be humble and not pine for more throughout their lives. It was encouraged as a way to keep the people in their place, not to motivate them, but to secure the power of the upper class.
[QUOTE=Fort83;25625841]Some examples of wars that were caused by religion All of the Crusades. The Troubles in Ireland Rwanda 1994 Boznia-Herzegovina (and by extension Kosovo) The Ivory Coast civil wars Cyprus East Timor civil war Sri Lankan civil war Current Iraqi civil war Hezbollah vs. Israel Syria vs. Israel Kashmir civil war Chechnya civil war Sudan Thirty Years War If you cannot accept the fact that alot of people do not share the same belief as you, then you shouldn't post ever. Personally I do not have a problem with most people that are christian, but then there are those that stir shit up and just makes them all look bad (example Pope on his view of gays, calling them an abomination and that atheists are neo-nazis) OP you gotta accept atheists and not fight us, if you don't cause shit towards us, we wouldn't cause shit towards you[/QUOTE] Hold on. That last sentence is totally an immature way of looking at it. It is like saying, "He stole from me, so I am going to steal from him." Revenge is never a valid resolution. Most Christians do not cause shit towards atheists. If anything it is the other way around. You cannot take a small group of people who say gays are bad, and then say that ALL Christians share this belief.
[QUOTE=iPat;25626314]I am too. Not to derail the thread, but what denomination?[/QUOTE] Non denominational. [editline]24th October 2010[/editline] Also all kinds of religious affiliated (or non religious.. whatever you want to call it) groups have people who are fucking retarded beyond reason. Including both Athiests and Christians alike. I don't see why people don't understand this. Stereotypical religious jokes though are funny. I thoroughly enjoy them.
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25626337]Motivation isn't exactly why the upper classes of society have welcomed religion. If you look at all major religions such as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, even Buddhism have core belief systems that are based around the idea that one should be humble and not pine for more throughout their lives. It was encouraged as a way to keep the people in their place, not to motivate them, but to secure the power of the upper class.[/QUOTE] What?
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25626390]What?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25626337]Motivation isn't exactly why the upper classes of society have welcomed religion. If you look at all major religions such as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, even Buddhism have core belief systems that are based around the idea that one should be humble and not pine for more throughout their lives. It was encouraged as a way to keep the people in their place, not to motivate them, but to secure the power of the upper class.[/QUOTE] Put some glasses on.
Not really related, but is Yusuf a furry? Sounds sorta like someone with balls in their mouth trying to say 'yiff'
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;25626418]Not really related, but is Yusuf a furry? Sounds sorta like someone with balls in their mouth trying to say 'yiff'[/QUOTE] Its Joseph in Arabic.
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25626479]Its Joseph in Arabic.[/QUOTE] I'm so ashamed of my name right now.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;25626418]Not really related, but is Yusuf a furry? Sounds sorta like someone with balls in their mouth trying to say 'yiff'[/QUOTE] What. ROFLBURGER, you're getting shabby on your jokes. Leave, practice, and then come back later.
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25626500]I'm so ashamed of my name right now.[/QUOTE] = /
I personally hate all religions with a passion. Religion has no place in our /modern/ world. Sure, it helped a while back, but we have science now, laws and rules for society. Religion now does more harm than good. Molesting children, brainwashing children at a young age, the WBC, the list goes on. Especially people who deny evolution, which I might add, is backed up by loads of evidence, while creationism, however, is not. I don't think you should flaunt being Christian. It just makes you look like an idiot saying that you believe in something that can't be proven and has numerous scientific holes and logical holes. The bible says Pi is 3, which is wrong. Noah's Ark is a load of bull, how did it not wipe out some plant life that some herbivores only eat? How is your God perfect if the definition for perfect requires your God not to have any dependencies, such as worship? Science crushes your bible and your religion holds back society. Which is why Facepunch hates your religion.
[QUOTE=Pascall;25626507]What. ROFLBURGER, you're getting shabby on your jokes. Leave, practice, and then come back later.[/QUOTE] Try it. [editline]647734[/editline] Oh wait nvm, I think you're right
[QUOTE=Fort83;25626426]mogul did you not see the part where i said "but then there are those that stir shit up and just makes them all look bad" clearly you did not[/QUOTE] I saw that, but it seemed that the last sentence was unrelated.
The way I see it OP, it's pretty damn simple... you don't like how we treat christians, then GTFO. Nobody's forcing you to be on FP. While you're at it, don't let the door hit you in the vagina on the way out
[QUOTE=Jookia;25626607]I personally hate all religions with a passion. Religion has no place in our /modern/ world. Sure, it helped a while back, but we have science now, laws and rules for society. Religion now does more harm than good. Molesting children, brainwashing children at a young age, the WBC, the list goes on. Especially people who deny evolution, which I might add, is backed up by loads of evidence, while creationism, however, is not.[/QUOTE] Being a tool works both ways [editline]24th October 2010[/editline] check yourself
[QUOTE=iPat;25626184]My point exactly. Scientific reasoning can help trim religion into solely the positive and worthwhile ideals it preaches. I actually like that you said fairy tales, because those are usually stories that use far-fetched situations to demonstrate morality, which is exactly what much of the holy books do. If, in a perfect world, we apply rational thinking to those insightful stories, we can extract everything great religion has to offer while dropping the literal bullshit interpretations. Oh and thanks for the optimistic rating, it's fitting. I doubt this would ever really happen.[/QUOTE] I totally agree with you, but then i think all this would yield would be a kind of modern day philosophy, similar to Secular Humanism, maybe with a bit of Agnosticism built in.
Righto weighing in here. First off I do recognise that religion was integral for the foundation of much culture, and the Bible itself is a valid part of our history. I also recognise that religion can be used for a force for good. But I believe this can only occur on the small scale, once you have religion on a large scale things tend to go awry. Other than that Religous people, both Muslims, Christians ect. need to recognise the flaws in their respective beliefs and modify it accordingly. Science is ever changing whereas religion is stagnant and follows principles that may have been more relevant thousands of years ago. Other than that I hate their stance on Gay marriage. I hate their stance on abortion and sexuality. I believe the world would be better without religion. And another thing those religous people who say Aethiests are immoral are completely retarded. In my mind in a modern society can we not have the base of our values to be based on principles that are mutually agreed on Humanist principles and not Biblical principles. Christianity and Islam are also very violent religions. This doesn't mean I think that all aspects of it are, but a very large percentage is. You only have to look at the Old Testmanent and specifically at Leviticus(???). And Christians can not use the argument of the New Testament as the new moral code to follow, or as an example of how God changed from being genocidist chauvanist. Because the Old Testament is a valid religous text considered as Holy scripture, God is supposedly All Powerful and there should be no reason to suddenly change his whole stance. Finally if Hitler had changed and ran a puppy shelter, we would still charge him for genocide! Overall while this sounds douchy, Aethiests are more enlightened than Christians, I find most Aethiests to be more socially progressive, believe in greater freedom and human rights and are more likely to progress Modern Society.
[QUOTE=Jookia;25626607]I personally hate all religions with a passion. Religion has no place in our /modern/ world. Sure, it helped a while back, but we have science now, laws and rules for society. Religion now does more harm than good. Molesting children, brainwashing children at a young age, the WBC, the list goes on. [/QUOTE] You're right, im going to rename my local church to Rapists United. Go to a church and see how many of them are horrible brain washers and child molesters. You're the kind of person that takes the worst possible situation and generalizes it over a huge group. I'm hardly religious, I would consider myself Christian because of some of the good mindset and positive outlooks it can help provide. I use it to keep myself morally aligned and an overall good person. Now I'm not saying that if you don't go to church you're a bad person, its just my method of reaching the same end. I'm not a go to church every week (or year for that matter) and if you dont like god, you're going to hell person, very very few people are. Evolution, it happened. I have no problem with it. If someone truly believes it didn't happen, they are just dumb and using religion as a front not that religion has said otherwise. If they really want to argue semantics one could say god created animals and from animals came man. (The days it took god to create the earth are millions and millions of years in this context) or atleast thats how I deal with them.
basically both sides need to shut the fuck up because they're both really annoying
[QUOTE=Shas'O Blind;25626854]You're right, im going to rename my local church to Rapists United. Go to a church and see how many of them are horrible brain washers and child molesters. You're the kind of person that takes the worst possible situation and generalizes it over a huge group. I'm hardly religious, I would consider myself Christian because of some of the good mindset and positive outlooks it can help provide. I use it to keep myself morally aligned and an overall good person. I'm not a go to church every week (or year for that matter) and if you dont like god, you're going to hell person, very very few people are. Evolution, it happened. I have no problem with it. If someone truly believes it didn't happen, they are just dumb and using religion as a front not that religion has said otherwise. If they really want to argue semantics one could say god created animals and from animals came man. (The days it took god to create the earth are millions and millions of years in this context) or atleast thats how I deal with them.[/QUOTE] Parents forcing their beliefs on to their children at a young age, where the children think everything they're told is true is brainwashing.
[QUOTE=Parakeety;25625152]im gay[/QUOTE] Who isn't?
[QUOTE=Strife Tonight;25626881]basically both sides need to shut the fuck up because they're both really annoying[/QUOTE] BUT THEY STARTED IT! [QUOTE=dag10;25626893]Who isn't?[/QUOTE] Straight people?
[QUOTE=Yusuf;25626047]No need to bitch about it?[/QUOTE] Yes need. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE[/media] [QUOTE=MegaChalupa;25626922]Straight people?[/QUOTE] Everyone is gay to some extent. I'm gay. I need gaybows now. NOW!
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