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[QUOTE=Lilyo;44004371]Painting faster is overrated. You're starting to paint interpretations and symbols once you paint fast. You shouldn't be TRYING to learn to paint faster, it should come about as a natural habit once you fully understand everything painting regularly. What do you get out of painting a landscape in 10 minutes? Seeing a few basic tones and colors? Seeing the basic shades? I mean sure, it's useful when you do quick studies, but it's a dumb thing to try to work towards as a goal.[/QUOTE] Depends on what's your goal. Painting fast is essential in concept art, for ex. No one needs a concept artist who romps with a single character for days or something. And yeah, it's important to be able to see these basic tones and colours no matter what your goal is imo. Also, painting fast doesn't mean painting raw. Just look at the leventep's stuff, for example. It just depends on you. I mean, to be able to draw fast and good is better then to be able to draw slow and good, huh?
He may also be referring to styles of painting. Having a more painterly or impressionistic style allows you to work faster than if you render everything out to the last degree, and tends to be more pleasing to look at. Something like that definitely isn't a dumb goal, in that sense I'm always trying to "work faster" when I paint as well.
just need to adjust the right side a bit and then skin them.. [img]https://24.media.tumblr.com/cb67345c84864fee38c5a29d21556932/tumblr_n1dzz3fD5T1qzw91io1_1280.jpg[/img] thinking about taking a 3 hour nap break and maybe waking up later to finish the rest.
[QUOTE=antianan;44004454]Depends on what's your goal. Painting fast is essential in concept art, for ex. No one needs a concept artist who romps with a single character for days or something. And yeah, it's important to be able to see these basic tones and colours no matter what your goal is imo. Also, painting fast doesn't mean painting raw. Just look at the leventep's stuff, for example. It just depends on you. I mean, to be able to draw fast and good is better then to be able to draw slow and good, huh?[/QUOTE] Feng Zhu reckons that a lot of students come to FZD trying to speedpaint and thinking it's essential, and they have to sit them down and be like 'no, spend lots of time on your paintings and speed will come when the other stuff is mastered' or something similar, iirc but fuck that I'm not trying to study seriously at the moment so I just speedpaint anyway
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Z09mrn1.jpg[/img] [media]http://soundcloud.com/corn-mouth/i-hate-every-things[/media] I wanna touch you like a Cornish tape tube and feel your spirit in magic marker push on paints.
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;44004546]He may also be referring to styles of painting. Having a more painterly or impressionistic style allows you to work faster than if you render everything out to the last degree, and tends to be more pleasing to look at. Something like that definitely isn't a dumb goal, in that sense I'm always trying to "work faster" when I paint as well.[/QUOTE] Well it's dumb imo because you're trying to jump to something without fully developing your skills at first. Yes, I would love to be able to go outside right now and paint some beautiful painting of a landscape or the city or have someone sit down and make an amazing portrait of them fast but it would be dumb of me to try to get to that just by improving on how fast I can do it. It's just not something that I would see as beneficial, you're not fully developing that way, you're limiting what you can do based on time and therefor inevitably painting generically. Again, I personally think the speed at which you paint at should be dependent on how proficient you are technically, and you won't really improve technically by doing 10 minute speed paints. He said he wants to get good at landscapes but the 30 minute took too long. That to me means that it took you 30 minutes to get to the stage that you want your image at, and you want to cut it down to 10 minutes, but it takes you 30 minutes to do it. How do you improve? You paint slower, observe better, understand what you're painting better, learn how to apply the brush strokes better and how to blend them faster. You gain these skills and then the speed at which you do it will decrease. It just seems backwards to me to try to jump to 10 minutes as if that will improve your technical skill. Impressionists didn't paint fast because they could paint a landscape well that way, they painted fast in order to capture an impression of the light. If you're looking to improve your observational skills and learn to paint environments and landscapes better, an impressionistic style isn't really the best way to start obviously. Just how you wouldn't want to start doing gesture studies before learning anatomy. If you build your technical skill you'll be able to do everything you want stylistically better.
I know for me that painting quickly really helps loosen myself up. I'm less concerned about my mistakes and I wind up with more happy accidents, or stumble upon new techniques that I can incorporate. If I'm going slow I tend to get too caught up in the details and I'll lose sight of the whole picture. Think of it this way. You can work on a painting until it is finished quality, then re-do that painting over and over until you get faster and faster at painting it, or you can do a painting for 10 minutes, and do that one over and over until you learn to get more and more detail in within those 10 minutes. Neither is better or worse than the other, it's just a matter of preference.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;44004701]Feng Zhu reckons that a lot of students come to FZD trying to speedpaint and thinking it's essential, and they have to sit them down and be like 'no, spend lots of time on your paintings and speed will come when the other stuff is mastered' or something similar, iirc [/QUOTE] Sure speed and quality won't come instantly, but i think you should do both, because these two approaches have different aims. The final goal for me personaly is to be able to draw as quick as i can (because i don't have a lot of free time to draw) and to make my stuff look finished, detailed and smooth at the same time. Imaginary detalis and focal detalization, you know. And i can't imagine how to achieve it without makind some very loose quick things, cause they are the base for the final result. Of course i won't judge Feng Zhu, but i also don't really like his stuff to follow his advices. May be i'm doing everything wrong, but yeah, who cares? It's just a hobby.
[QUOTE=Lilyo;44004845]Well it's dumb imo because you're trying to jump to something without fully developing your skills at first. Yes, I would love to be able to go outside right now and paint some beautiful painting of a landscape or the city or have someone sit down and make an amazing portrait of them fast but it would be dumb of me to try to get to that just by improving on how fast I can do it. It's just not something that I would see as beneficial, you're not fully developing that way, you're limiting what you can do based on time and therefor inevitably painting generically. Again, I personally think the speed at which you paint at should be dependent on how proficient you are technically, and you won't really improve technically by doing 10 minute speed paints. He said he wants to get good at landscapes but the 30 minute took too long. That to me means that it took you 30 minutes to get to the stage that you want your image at, and you want to cut it down to 10 minutes, but it takes you 30 minutes to do it. How do you improve? You paint slower, observe better, understand what you're painting better, learn how to apply the brush strokes better and how to blend them faster. You gain these skills and then the speed at which you do it will decrease. It just seems backwards to me to try to jump to 10 minutes as if that will improve your technical skill. Impressionists didn't paint fast because they could paint a landscape well that way, they painted fast in order to capture an impression of the light. If you're looking to improve your observational skills and learn to paint environments and landscapes better, an impressionistic style isn't really the best way to start obviously. Just how you wouldn't want to start doing gesture studies before learning anatomy. If you build your technical skill you'll be able to do everything you want stylistically better.[/QUOTE] I didn't say making an effort to go faster improves your work, I was just saying that he might have meant more than that. He might have been saying exactly what you're saying, and that he just wants to be at a more proficient level so that he reaches each stage faster. His post didn't really sound like that I admit, but it didn't sound very much like what you're accusing him of thinking either :v: he really didn't say much. All he said was that he wants to cut down on the time it takes him to paint. I was just playing devil's advocate I guess.
Sorry to start a debate haha. I am usually too detailed on my paintings, so I am confused about the time I actually need to take to finish one piece of painting. I want to paint better, by not focusing on a particular part of the image but the big picture overall. I am doing speedpainting of landscape as an attempt to capture the scenery quickly without getting lost in the detail of a peak, for instance. I am trying to learn on my own; maybe I am not doing it right. I am always open to suggestions, and they are especially welcome in this case :).
[QUOTE=Maya2008;44002042]Trying to get good at landscape. Did a 30 min speed painting. [img]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/052/b/8/b8df14cfde1497abd8b92c3b4989b7b2-d77ghtd.png[/img] Took too long, wanna cut it down to 10 min or so.[/QUOTE] I couldn't do that if I spent 2 hours on it..
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KVXMcdv.gif[/IMG] Rough animation is rough.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Vsgkj1S.png[/IMG] Page 1 from the aforementioned comic, click [B][URL=http://imgur.com/gallery/hxu4i]here[/URL][/B] for the whole thing! Advice is extremely appreciated
alien egg-y thing [img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/641d0144374abeabf1f9ca17e2c57d8a/tumblr_n1fh622Fcc1qd5eico1_1280.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Headcrab54;44013296]alien egg-y thing [img]https://31.media.tumblr.com/641d0144374abeabf1f9ca17e2c57d8a/tumblr_n1fh622Fcc1qd5eico1_1280.png[/img][/QUOTE] looks like the back of a head
[IMG]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2014/053/6/8/duke_s_the_man_by_bleu_ninja-d77n94u.jpg[/IMG] I always wanted to make one of them progress animations, so I finally did. (I cheated a bit, though - I shaded Duke [I]after[/I] I drew the mushroom cloud. Don't tell nobody) [IMG]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/053/1/2/output_fi3nmd_1__by_bleu_ninja-d77n9d8.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]https://24.media.tumblr.com/3bafd4b38c7aa468f206f3c16188a7ac/tumblr_n1fu05JeZI1rttuq5o1_r2_500.jpg[/IMG] ghillie suits are so awesome
The tuft around the barrel makes it My only problem is how obvious that oak leaf brush is when you see the little one floating above the barrel and the big transparent one above it. The legs are pretty questionable too. Overall great piece though
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;44015594]The tuft around the barrel makes it My only problem is how obvious that oak leaf brush is when you see the little one floating above the barrel and the big transparent one above it. The legs are pretty questionable too. Overall great piece though[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that's an acer leaf (definitely not oak) Just sayin
Fuckin' whatever !
Background practice with references. I'm most happy with the first and last one. The middle one is good, but I feel it crashes with the characters. [IMG]http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2014/054/4/9/dalp_february_2014_by_sokkhue-d77o67x.jpg[/IMG] Any thoughts?
i think its the difference in the shadows the enviroments shadows are really soft but the characters are solid
This took somewhere between 10-20 minutes, I think... I know it's pretty abysmal but thoughts? [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/267106809/Volcano%20SP.jpg[/img] [editline]23rd February 2014[/editline] Also my first time experimenting with Photoshop brushes. I usually use SAI but I've made the conclusion that Photoshop is better for more artistic looking things while SAI is better for illustrative purposes.
use. references.
so this whole time i thought my tablet was broken but i just found out today i just had it set on "mouse" mode instead of "pen". huh. heres a thing I started working on! [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65357207/kaaputyty3.png[/IMG]
Does anyone know any tips/videos to get your imagination running, because I feel like I have the technical know how to make a nice piece, but I just can't draw from my imagination.
[QUOTE=duckmaster;44022703]Does anyone know any tips/videos to get your imagination running, because I feel like I have the technical know how to make a nice piece, but I just can't draw from my imagination.[/QUOTE] I have a folder full of works that I scroll through from time to time to inspire myself to get some work done, music helps too. It's different for everyone so it's a bit difficult to give tips regarding imagination
[QUOTE=duckmaster;44022703]Does anyone know any tips/videos to get your imagination running, because I feel like I have the technical know how to make a nice piece, but I just can't draw from my imagination.[/QUOTE] If I'm lacking the mood for making art, I usually scroll through this thread. It always gets me in the mood for drawing, which is great since I couldn't have said that two years ago, it says a lot about how this section has changed for the better. For inspiration I dunno, I don't have an inspiration folder or place to go since I mostly draw from media I've seen (music, animated, video games, films, books) and real life (my time in factories as a machinist, traveling around europe, my current college life, and walking my dog :v:) Speaking of ARTEe, logo for a thing I'm working on called 888 Reasons [img]http://i.cubeupload.com/cQy8hl.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;44021541]i think its the difference in the shadows the enviroments shadows are really soft but the characters are solid[/QUOTE] This, and the middle one has a ruined perspective on the floor in front of the sitting guy. I really love the last one though.
[QUOTE=antianan;44026419]This, and the middle one has a ruined perspective on the floor in front of the sitting guy. I really love the last one though.[/QUOTE] Specifically the hallway on the right and its floor that leads to the sitting guy has its horizon line set too high
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