[QUOTE=Mandems;44170487]I feel so discouraged when ever I post anything, cause I always get told to paint with references when I actually always do, which is kind sad to know that even with references my drawings are shit
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I thought you are meant to use a reference to understand how the object is formed and try to create one on your own to resemble it but still remain unique[/QUOTE]
That is in later stages. At this point you should be training your observational skills and trying to replicate things, doing life studies and such. Your trying to teach your brain to see and replicate what things really look like, not what you "think" they look like or want them to look like.
The creative part comes later once you have the technical skill and knowledge. Everyone has their own style of painting which works its way in too for a flair of uniqueness as you learn. I can recognize a lot of the posters here from their work before I look to see who posted it.
The way you see a lot of old masters use reference as it will be talked about in a class room is they first do a series of studies, copying straight from life, then they make a piece with the information they have gathered afterward.
Your in that gathering stage, and will be for a while till you get a good basic knowledge of colour, tone, form, etc.
I'd recommend doing some studies in black and white to start out. It helped me a lot personally being able to focus on just the values rather than also getting the colours right.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;44170602]That is in later stages. At this point you should be training your observational skills and trying to replicate things, doing life studies and such. Your trying to teach your brain to see and replicate what things really look like, not what you "think" they look like or want them to look like.
The creative part comes later once you have the technical skill and knowledge. Everyone has their own style of painting which works its way in too for a flair of uniqueness as you learn. I can recognize a lot of the posters here from their work before I look to see who posted it.
The way you see a lot of old masters use reference as it will be talked about in a class room is they first do a series of studies, copying straight from life, then they make a piece with the information they have gathered afterward.
Your in that gathering stage, and will be for a while till you get a good basic knowledge of colour, tone, form, etc.
I'd recommend doing some studies in black and white to start out. It helped me a lot personally being able to focus on just the values rather than also getting the colours right.[/QUOTE]
sound advice, I will do so, thanks for all the useful feedback
[QUOTE=Rhenae;44170602]That is in later stages. At this point you should be training your observational skills and trying to replicate things, doing life studies and such. Your trying to teach your brain to see and replicate what things really look like, not what you "think" they look like or want them to look like.
The creative part comes later once you have the technical skill and knowledge. Everyone has their own style of painting which works its way in too for a flair of uniqueness as you learn. I can recognize a lot of the posters here from their work before I look to see who posted it.
The way you see a lot of old masters use reference as it will be talked about in a class room is they first do a series of studies, copying straight from life, then they make a piece with the information they have gathered afterward.
Your in that gathering stage, and will be for a while till you get a good basic knowledge of colour, tone, form, etc.
[B]I'd recommend doing some studies in black and white to start out. It helped me a lot personally being able to focus on just the values rather than also getting the colours right.[/B][/QUOTE]
Lilyo advised me to do this when I was starting out, it helped a lot. Before I did that I didn't really know what value even was.
[QUOTE=Mandems;44170676]sound advice, I will do so, thanks for all the useful feedback[/QUOTE]
Thats what the thread is for man~ Try not to get discouraged. Everything just takes time and practice.
Oh while I'm here and thinking about it I meant to ask a while ago, what method do you guys use for adding colour to a black and white piece? I think I've finally figured out how to paint a form at decent speed (thank god not like it took years or anything jeeze) in black and white then add the colour afterward but I haven't found a way I'm happy with to add the colour yet
This was a quick exercise our teacher gave us. Gave each of us a popular saying and we had to illustrate it. Was a nice warm up.
[t]https://24.media.tumblr.com/d41a9c952ecdc0174714910308de39ba/tumblr_n22s9u8Y2b1rc2okpo6_1280.png[/t]
[QUOTE=imMonkeyGOD;44163106][IMG]http://puu.sh/7mFxk.gif[/IMG]
Worked on this some more.[/QUOTE]
that's some pretty nice animation. esp. how you did the background.
[IMG]https://31.media.tumblr.com/9ed2002b6b1942e9c0d3dffeccd5e63e/tumblr_n23p5oRnid1squ1u0o1_r1_500.png[/IMG]
sniper loadout art.
[QUOTE=imMonkeyGOD;44163106][IMG]http://puu.sh/7mFxk.gif[/IMG]
Worked on this some more.[/QUOTE]
imo it needs deeper impact for a feeling of mass on the landing and there's currently no anticipation for the character veering to the side which would add some more fluidity to it
I want to get better at drawing faces, where to start?
[QUOTE=lexus04;44172026]imo it needs deeper impact for a feeling of mass on the landing[/QUOTE]
I think it's meant to be a hoverboard
[QUOTE=krten_2x 4b;44172239]I think it's meant to be a hoverboard[/QUOTE]
Hover board or not, your body is falling at a certain velocity, the board stops falling at hover height, your legs stop your torso from continuing downwards and mulching on the ground. There's no difference from being on a skateboard minus maybe some spongeyness associated with the hovering.
It's the whole superman catching someone thing, they would just become red mist on impact with his arms, not physically hitting the ground does not cancel out deceleration.
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[QUOTE=OHNOES;44172190]I want to get better at drawing faces, where to start?[/QUOTE]
Draw lots of faces... (copy photos / RL)
I'm just learning to draw cloth. Here is a small skills testing, nothing special, just a one solid piece of fabric. How good is it for now? I need someone's opinion.
[img]http://image.gilawhost.com/14/03/09/p5z8xhnu.jpeg[/img]
I know that I am meant to be doing the black and white exercises, but I really enjoy playing with the colours on photoshop so I made this
[t]http://mavimation.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/underwater2.jpg[/t] [I]clickable[/I]
the eel is the only "reference" I used
[editline]8th March 2014[/editline]
is it just my PC or the colours look a bit damaged?
here's a different version
[t]http://mavimation.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/underwater1.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Torchwood01;44173573]I'm just learning to draw cloth. Here is a small skills testing, nothing special, just a one solid piece of fabric. How good is it for now? I need someone's opinion.
[img]http://image.gilawhost.com/14/03/09/p5z8xhnu.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE]
the form looks great but you're not doing yourself any favours by making that form so difficult to see - it's really really washed out
[QUOTE=Mandems;44173584]I know that I am meant to be doing the black and white exercises, but I really enjoy playing with the colours on photoshop so I made this
[t]http://mavimation.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/underwater2.jpg[/t] [I]clickable[/I]
the eel is the only "reference" I used
[editline]8th March 2014[/editline]
is it just my PC or the colours look a bit damaged?
here's a different version
[t]http://i.imgur.com/yvw1fNS.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I like it but please don't use the default grass brush..
If you worked that up a bit and made the bubbles better I think that could end up looking really cool.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;44173792]the form looks great but you're not doing yourself any favours by making that form so difficult to see - it's really really washed out[/QUOTE]
(go higher contrast, simulate a matte cloth with a single light casting strong shadows rather than silk lit by a fill light)
[QUOTE=Wickerman123;44174141]I like it but please don't use the default grass brush..
If you worked that up a bit and made the bubbles better I think that could end up looking really cool.[/QUOTE]
I used mainly the same brush for everything in this drawing, but the bubbles/
used the round default one
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/IXh91fY.png[/IMG]
Moar value shiz. Why did I do two light sources whyyyyy
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yzo9bzy.png[/IMG]
Sorta African tribe inspired. He's supposed to be wearing some sort of straw armor mid torso. I found it in a picture of maasai warriors ages ago when I researched for his outfit and I'm kinda kicking myself for not saving it.
[QUOTE=Mandems;44174639]I used mainly the same brush for everything in this drawing, but the bubbles/
used the round default one[/QUOTE]
That stuff in the bottom left was definitely done with grass brush preset.
[QUOTE=Mandems;44173584][t]http://i.imgur.com/yvw1fNS.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Can't see shit, Sarge.
There was nobody on my bus ride from college today, so I just pulled out my laptop and tablet and drew this
[IMG]http://u.cubeupload.com/Signal/likeIgiveAshittiny.png[/IMG]
It was super shaky so it took like half an hour
[QUOTE=Rhenae;44170743]Thats what the thread is for man~ Try not to get discouraged. Everything just takes time and practice.
Oh while I'm here and thinking about it I meant to ask a while ago, what method do you guys use for adding colour to a black and white piece? I think I've finally figured out how to paint a form at decent speed (thank god not like it took years or anything jeeze) in black and white then add the colour afterward but I haven't found a way I'm happy with to add the colour yet[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure there's no way to overlay colour onto B&W that will actually look good. You're probably aware of some of the different layer types and combos you can use to get colour onto your values but they all have their shortcomings, the colour temperatures and shit are never really right and the piece usually looks dead or flat or bloomy or oversaturated. Your best bet in my opinion (if you feel like you must use B&W as your base) is to keep that value painting loose, don't render everything and make all of your final brushstrokes and that. Have it just be a rough light guide. Then apply the colour on whatever kind of layer you feel gets you closest to happy (will probably still be pretty off as you know) and then merge the layers and just start painting on top of that, in colour. Again, the colour layer you slap on should just be the guide you use. From sketch to b&w painting to colour overlay should be like, less than half of the time spent for that piece. It can't really be 95% value rendering and then magic colour solution at the end - I used to rely on that myself, but it never comes out strong, it's a cop out. If you've got a really loose piece that you can whack vibrant colours on, it might work well with a bit of adjustment, or if you're doing something that only requires one or two colours you might get away without doing much more painting on there. Really though that whole process should be used like training wheels to boost you as far as actually applying colour, yourself, with a brush.
[QUOTE=MakoSkyDub;44175872]I'm pretty sure there's no way to overlay colour onto B&W that will actually look good. You're probably aware of some of the different layer types and combos you can use to get colour onto your values but they all have their shortcomings, the colour temperatures and shit are never really right and the piece usually looks dead or flat or bloomy or oversaturated. Your best bet in my opinion (if you feel like you must use B&W as your base) is to keep that value painting loose, don't render everything and make all of your final brushstrokes and that. Have it just be a rough light guide. Then apply the colour on whatever kind of layer you feel gets you closest to happy (will probably still be pretty off as you know) and then merge the layers and just start painting on top of that, in colour. Again, the colour layer you slap on should just be the guide you use. From sketch to b&w painting to colour overlay should be like, less than half of the time spent for that piece. It can't really be 95% value rendering and then magic colour solution at the end - I used to rely on that myself, but it never comes out strong, it's a cop out. If you've got a really loose piece that you can whack vibrant colours on, it might work well with a bit of adjustment, or if you're doing something that only requires one or two colours you might get away without doing much more painting on there. Really though that whole process should be used like training wheels to boost you as far as actually applying colour, yourself, with a brush.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, I'll try to find a good way to use it as a half way step then. As is I've just found it a lot more convenient for anthro and animal characters since I can render the character without having to deal with the twenty bajillion small markings people give them first :v:
Still work in progress
[IMG]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/067/d/5/9th_march_2014___wip_by_zacharyhogan-d79ht6d.jpg[/IMG]
Thanks for advices, i hope it's will be helpful. I'll try to draw something new later and will share a result with you.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;44177383]Still work in progress
[IMG]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/067/d/5/9th_march_2014___wip_by_zacharyhogan-d79ht6d.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The weld line (or whatever) looks like it needs to be moved closer towards the back eye, also is the back eye a bit too big?
Nice spatial quality mal
Maybe crop off a sliver on the left, with that black triangle.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;44177383]Still work in progress
[IMG]http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/067/d/5/9th_march_2014___wip_by_zacharyhogan-d79ht6d.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
how do you guys add colour to your drawings after I don't understand, using layers and overlay mode kinda ruins the picture in my opinion
is there something I don't know?
Never use overlay to color an image, and you don't add the color after, this is just a BW painting. If you want a painting in color do it in color. If you're recoloring a BW photo use the 'color' blending mode as it is IMO the least destructive method. Others may have different techniques, but I'd put money on overlay being among the worst options.
I've been using a trial of Corel Painter X3 with my tablet, I'm able to paint stuff but I'm still trying to get used to the interface. I want to transition from physical painting to digital painting since my dorm room is so small and I want to make painting more convenient. I'm so used to oils, where I can just apply paint, smear it with my finger, mix the paint on the canvas and angle my brush strokes, but it's hard to get the right brush settings to make it feel the same as a real brush, and the tablet I've got doesn't have any angle capabilities (Bamboo Create).
[t]http://i.imgur.com/QMhRGCi.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/9S7o9nz.jpg[/t]
I started out just drawing video game characters, and now I'm trying to transition into still life paintings. The top two paintings were from a few months back. I sorta cheated with the Wolf from Payday 2 painting by using the original pic, blurred a bit, as an underpainting. The Wolf pic as a whole has a ton of problems, I plan to go back eventually and redo the suit/gun. The Sonic one lacks contrast and is pretty messy overall, but it was a really quick study so I don't care enough to fix it.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Y5quP4R.png[/t]
This heart I painted last night. I fiddled around with the brushes, it's supposed to be oil but it looks more like chalk/pastel almost. I was up from about 11am to 2am working on it, I think I spent way too long on it honestly. I used a reference pic from my browser on one half of the screen and then I painted on the other half, just so that it'd reflect my style of painting and not be carbon-copy exact. I'm a bit conflicted about the outlines on the heart, I like the contrast it adds but it makes it more cartoon-like. The aorta is a bit misshapen and the veins tend to end abruptly, but otherwise I'm okay with the pic. I wanted to sponge the heart a bit to add some texture but I had no idea how to do that, so I left it smooth-looking.
Does anyone here use Corel Painter X3? If so, do you have any brush, settings, etc. recommendations? Also, is there something better/cheaper? I don't really want to plop down $100 for the education edition if I can get similar software for less, and I'm not sure if I want to abuse the free trial stuff again.
[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;44180726]Never use overlay to color an image, and you don't add the color after, this is just a BW painting. If you want a painting in color do it in color[/QUOTE]
i dont think this should be a rule
it can be way easier to think about value and composition by starting a picture in black and white and blocking it out that way and then adding in colour later. although you're right that most colour layers are quite destructive and unrealistic, if you just do the colour layer stuff after a b/w block-out and then finish the piece off on top of that as a full-colour painting, it can turn out great and you'd never know the difference
eg
[img]http://i.imgur.com/N1rZLLo.jpg[/img]
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