It's awfully convenient that that once humans have the ability to document and record events, God has been absent, yet in the bible he seems to be active.
Even though I am catholic, I am not completely sure.
As I've said before. Stop giving a fuck about religion. Go athiest/agnostic and just live your life how you should see fit. Hypothetically there is a god, why should I worship him at all? What difference is there between me and a asshole who goes to church every sunday. Does he deserve the eternal afterlife simply because he worshiped this deity? Even though I lived a morally right life and was a overall kind person in many ways. Would you worship a god who judged you on your faith instead of your character and decisions in life? If there is a god and he is just than he will judge me on my actions in life and not my faith. I'm a atheist for the record.
[QUOTE=Takkun10;32514680]Does he deserve the eternal afterlife simply because he worshiped this deity? Even though I lived a morally right life and was a overall kind person in many ways. Would you worship a god who judged you on your faith instead of your character and decisions in life? If there is a god and he is just than he will judge me on my actions in life and not my faith. I'm a atheist for the record.[/QUOTE]
According to Christianity, Jesus died to pay the debt of the sins that us Humans do. Your argument is very weak because you are implying that everyone who accepts Jesus "to their heart" has salvation, which just isn't true. One would have to try and turn away from sin.
[QUOTE=Takkun10;32514680]As I've said before. Stop giving a fuck about religion. Go athiest/agnostic and just live your life how you should see fit. Hypothetically there is a god, why should I worship him at all? What difference is there between me and a asshole who goes to church every sunday. Does he deserve the eternal afterlife simply because he worshiped this deity? Even though I lived a morally right life and was a overall kind person in many ways. Would you worship a god who judged you on your faith instead of your character and decisions in life? If there is a god and he is just than he will judge me on my actions in life and not my faith. I'm a atheist for the record.[/QUOTE]
I dunno about you but if I died and went to the Pearly Gates at the feet of God Almighty, I wouldn't be flipping him off, I'd probably be kissing huis fucking feet and begging for forgiveness. In part because I'm an atheist. It seems badass to say "I'd flip him off and say FUCK YOU IDC BOUT YOUR BS" but that's not how it'd actually occur.
Good thing God doesn't exist though.
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32514730]According to Christianity, Jesus died to pay the debt of the sins that us Humans do. Your argument is very weak because you are implying that everyone who accepts Jesus "to their heart" has salvation, which just isn't true. One would have to try and turn away from sin.[/QUOTE]
I see your point. I need to enhance my argument. Thank you for the feedback.
[editline]27th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32514805]I dunno about you but if I died and went to the Pearly Gates at the feet of God Almighty, I wouldn't be flipping him off, I'd probably be kissing huis fucking feet and begging for forgiveness. In part because I'm an atheist. It seems badass to say "I'd flip him off and say FUCK YOU IDC BOUT YOUR BS" but that's not how it'd actually occur.
Good thing God doesn't exist though.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be flipping this supposed god off. More like asking him what criteria I'm being judged on for getting into this eternal salvation.
It's impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God. Saying that God exists or doesn't exist makes you look like you're full of yourself.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32514805]I dunno about you but if I died and went to the Pearly Gates at the feet of God Almighty, I wouldn't be flipping him off, I'd probably be kissing huis fucking feet and begging for forgiveness. In part because I'm an atheist. It seems badass to say "I'd flip him off and say FUCK YOU IDC BOUT YOUR BS" but that's not how it'd actually occur.
Good thing God doesn't exist though.[/QUOTE]
Then that'd be the first evidence of God I'd have seen.
[QUOTE=Takkun10;32514850] More like asking him what criteria I'm being judged on for getting into this eternal salvation.[/QUOTE]
Christianity is a burden, I feel, on the person. You have to give pretty much everything and do so much in the name of God. The consensus that you can skim by in this religion is appalling. The term for these people are "lukewarm Christians". You live your life to the fullest and I respect that. :smile:
[QUOTE=NicoleEmilid;32514933]Christianity is a burden, I feel, on the person. You have to give pretty much everything and do so much in the name of God. The consensus that you can skim by in this religion is appalling. The term for these people are "lukewarm Christians". You live your life to the fullest and I respect that. :smile:[/QUOTE]
Thanks man. I like to refer to them as cafeteria christians, they pick and choose what they want out of it. Probably a good 95% of "christian" americans are cafeteria christians.
[QUOTE=Takkun10;32514850]I wouldn't be flipping this supposed god off. More like asking him what criteria I'm being judged on for getting into this eternal salvation.[/QUOTE]
Uhhhhh I'd still rather kiss his fucking feet
No really I would do a fucking number on those fuckers, slobbering and biting and shit like a fucking pervert on a Japanese schoolgirl
Except there really is no way to completely disprove the existence of a supreme deity. Lack of evidence doesn't prove something doesn't exist. On the other hand, we don't really have any reason to support the idea of a God. I'm Agnostic on the subject.
i believe in atom, and its miraculous powers.
i feel like when we die, we just go off to live another life in another universe
I've come to understand that threads exactly like this one are the primary reasons ratings are disabled in the section of the forums.
I'm open to the ideas of a "god", but I think all the gods of any religion are nothing more than just the mythology of that culture of people which attempted to give them a sense of purpose on this earth.
[editline]27th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32514805]I dunno about you but if I died and went to the Pearly Gates at the feet of God Almighty, I wouldn't be flipping him off, I'd probably be kissing huis fucking feet and begging for forgiveness. In part because I'm an atheist. It seems badass to say "I'd flip him off and say FUCK YOU IDC BOUT YOUR BS" but that's not how it'd actually occur.
Good thing God doesn't exist though.[/QUOTE] I personally believe that if somehow the Christian god does exist, if he truly is all-knowing, just, and loving like Christians believe, he'd value the virtues of doubt, questioning, and rational thought over blind faith of a 4000 year old book written by men, and if not, I'd rather be sent as far away from his sight as possible in damnation than be in his presence (because I'm pretty sure that's what the concept of hell is supposed to be).
[QUOTE=Robot Jesus;32517412]I personally believe that if somehow the Christian god does exist, if he truly is all-knowing, just, and loving like Christians believe, he'd value the virtues of doubt, questioning, and rational thought over blind faith of a 4000 year old book written by men, and if not, I'd rather be sent as far away from his sight as possible in damnation than be in his presence (because I'm pretty sure that's what the concept of hell is supposed to be).[/QUOTE]
Nope, I think you're being really overdramatic and you would [I]actually[/I] beg for forgiveness which is the logical choice.
Also pretty sure Hell is where you'd be going and you'd rather be in Heaven.
Jus sayin'.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;32517669]Nope, I think you're being really overdramatic and you would [I]actually[/I] beg for forgiveness which is the logical choice.
Also pretty sure Hell is where you'd be going and you'd rather be in Heaven.
Jus sayin'.[/QUOTE]
I don't believe in a god period, so it's not really something that I give much thought to, but right now in my mortal state without any worry about a scenario like that coming even remotely close to happening, that's my stance on it. Plus the hell of the Bible as it is viewed today is more based on Dante's inferno than actual passages in the Bible, so all this talk about "Hellfire and eternal suffering" doesn't even phase me partially.
p. sure that Heaven as the Bible writers initially intended it would still be quite nicer than Hell as the Bible writers initially intended it, regardless of philosophical objections and shit.
That's still a relative thing to say. From my understanding of it (and I went to a Christian school up until 8th grade, so for all I know it was just dogmatic indoctrination), Heaven is supposed to consist of worshiping the Lord as almighty, praising him for the end of time, and other stroking of this god's ego (on top of that "streets made of gold" nonsense of course), and all of those conflict with my personality, so unless I lose my freewill when I enter, why would I even want to be there? And from what I recall, not including the Dante's Inferno alliteration of hell, it's supposed to be nothing more than a void between God and "sinners" (I don't really remember any other descriptions of it mentioned, but there might be), so as I said, it doesn't really phase me. Plus in the end, this still requires a belief in this religion, so I don't really care which is supposed to be the better one of the two, the same as I don't really care that I'm considered an infidel and a lesser person in the Islamic religion, or whatever the fuck they believe in the Mormon religion.
... Heaven still sounds pretty nice bro. But alright.
As I said, it's relative to the person. I'd personally rather be cast as far away from an egoistic god like that then live in a false sense of happiness (or brainwashing) with him. But like you said, if an event like that actually happens, my views on the subject might change, but since I don't believe in the religion period, there's no real reason to change them.
I remember reading SOMEWHERE in the bible--that God said he would mess around with scientists and other geniuses on Earth.
I guess that's his main source of entertainment. Heck, I'd laugh If I could mess with scientists--it's like Sims, but for God! :)
If god exists then it's quite arrogant to believe that your god in particular would be the right one simply because the only reason he's 'your god' is probably because you happened to be born in a part of the world where that religion has been established as the dominant one and hence you'll most likely believe in it rather than another one.
Not to mention, if the word of most religions holy texts are correct people who existed in isolated pockets on islands/in remote areas and were never contacted by outsiders will probably be going to hell because they don't believe in the correct god which is entirely uncool if there is a god, and hence that god is most likely and asshole I wouldn't want to believe in anyway. So even if there is a god: fuck him/her/them/it/whatever.
It'd be nice for a heaven/paradise to exist, but as far as I'm concerned I can't put my faith in something there is no proof of. Any religion would say that the proof is in the books (bible/quran/etc), but those books have existed for thousands of years. So the chance that they've been altered with time is enormous, and very little of its original content is intact.
And again, it's a book. It could very well be fiction, like Ron Hubbard's book about scientology is fiction but people took it as a religion anyway and he earned money from it.
Plus there are literally hundreds of Gods, and you have to be faithul to one religion. Not knowing which one is right, how do I know which Gods I've pissed off and not if I end up in hell?
I honestly see no [I]real[/I] evidence given in the bible, it's simply a bunch of text. You see, if the bible were to be written in our days, it would need pictures and a lot more evidence. I honestly can't dedicate my life to a bunch of text telling me what to believe.
[QUOTE=Robot Jesus;32517859]That's still a relative thing to say. From my understanding of it (and I went to a Christian school up until 8th grade, so for all I know it was just dogmatic indoctrination), Heaven is supposed to consist of worshiping the Lord as almighty, praising him for the end of time, and other stroking of this god's ego (on top of that "streets made of gold" nonsense of course), and all of those conflict with my personality, so unless I lose my freewill when I enter, why would I even want to be there? And from what I recall, not including the Dante's Inferno alliteration of hell, it's supposed to be nothing more than a void between God and "sinners" (I don't really remember any other descriptions of it mentioned, but there might be), so as I said, it doesn't really phase me. Plus in the end, this still requires a belief in this religion, so I don't really care which is supposed to be the better one of the two, the same as I don't really care that I'm considered an infidel and a lesser person in the Islamic religion, or whatever the fuck they believe in the Mormon religion.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, heaven sounds like a nice place to live, you know, where it's impossible to feel anything other than joy.
Well this is a better named title for the subject of God rather than 'The logic behind [b]religion[/b],' which is a lot more than just God.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, God-image is a creation of the human mind. And that's some ultimate logic right there. And as for what reasons, I don't bother going there right now.
In an article titled "Is There a God?" commissioned, but never published, by Illustrated magazine in 1952, Russell wrote:
"Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."
[QUOTE=Rebi;32520837]I don't know, heaven sounds like a nice place to live, you know, where it's impossible to feel anything other than joy.[/QUOTE]
I imagine Heaven as your dream place, a place you think is the most exciting, beautiful and has all the luxury you have always wanted. For example.. Women. Yes, women. A brothel filled with the most beautiful women. I'm serious, by the way.
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