The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) - Spidey's back in a brand spanking new movie!
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[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;36663939]or maybe being noble to the point where you'll do irrational and silly things and risk your life for no really good reason is part of bens character and I just never realized that??
like I always got the impression the guy was all about doing good without being stupid about it[/QUOTE]
I'd have jumped for the gun to be fair. What's everybodies problem with this?
[QUOTE=Dan2593;36663687]
It's a shame because Rami nailed a lot of things such as Aunt May, JJJ, Goblin (Minus the costume)
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I know im gonna get a lot of dumbs for this, but i actually liked that goblins outfit and glider and weapons, the comic one with the latex face covering mask and the purple tights just seemed so silly to me, sure he looks kinda like a green power ranger but, i liked it.
[QUOTE=Rong;36664216]R.I.P
Will always remember ya.
[hd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP_a90UvUGI[/hd][/QUOTE]
Holy shit I love those movies. Such a huge part of my childhood. I was on the front page of my local newspaper I loved them so much. I still do.
I just can't call them 'good spider-man movies'.
I stand by what I said. Amazing movies, just good Spiderman movies. I still prefer Amazing Spider-man.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;36664699]I know im gonna get a lot of dumbs for this, but i actually liked that goblins outfit and glider and weapons, the comic one with the latex face covering mask and the purple tights just seemed so silly to me, sure he looks kinda like a green power ranger but, i liked it.[/QUOTE]
The Green Goblin's kind of a hard character to pull off correctly. I mean, a green and purple latex suit and pumpkin bombs would look really silly. Sam Raimi's Goblin isn't perfect, but the flight suit angle was a good way to bring it into the real world (God only knows why they designed the Goblin helmet). Plus, Willem Dafoe was great as Osborn.
Doctor Octopus, I think, was handled perfectly-- in terms of design and actor choice. And its one of the stronger reasons as to why Spider-Man 2 is probably the best of Raimi's trilogy.
Raimi's trilogy was great for the time, Spider-Man 3 is not terrible compared to the other two, but it started to show how stale it was becoming and how different Raimi was doing things. Looking back, the trilogy shows its age; but all in all they're still pretty good movies in their own right.
There's something I don't really like about the style and direction their going with The Amazing Spider-Man, but I'll have to see it before I make judgements and comparisons.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36662432]Did you even read the comics? Peter Parker IS a useless, socially retarded nerd who gets superpowers, and getting superpowers doesn't instantly make him less socially retarded. Also, he did make jokes, but not to the point of being incredibly annoying like in the new one. And even so, how does not constantly making jokes somehow make him two dimensional? He still came off as somewhat cheerful/light hearted as Spiderman without them. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense.
Man, look at this hot stud scoring all the hot chicks.
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Did you read the first Ultimate line? He was kinda cool and less useless in that one.
[editline]7th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;36664699]I know im gonna get a lot of dumbs for this, but i actually liked that goblins outfit and glider and weapons, the comic one with the latex face covering mask and the purple tights just seemed so silly to me, sure he looks kinda like a green power ranger but, i liked it.[/QUOTE]
This.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEZBhL5lpqg[/media]
I really prefer this to the one they went with, actually... It feels closer to the comic.
I'm going to see it in about an hour. I'm a bit skeptical as to how good it'll be, though. I enjoyed Spiderman with Tobey Maguire, but I'm definitely open to seeing this. I heard this one follows more along the lines of the comics, but I've never read any of them.
[editline]7th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;36655809]Everyone but the critics love this movie, from what i see.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what happens with the majority of movies, though?
I have really bad vision so I wore my glasses under the 3D glasses and everything was so dull I felt really stupid, but the movie was decent and Emma Stone didn't disappoint.
I picked 3D because that was the only available time show.
To be fair, the Original Spider-Man movies will always have a special place in my childhood heart. Those movies were the best back then.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36662432]Did you even read the comics? Peter Parker IS a useless, socially retarded nerd who gets superpowers, and getting superpowers doesn't instantly make him less socially retarded. Also, he did make jokes, but not to the point of being incredibly annoying like in the new one. And even so, how does not constantly making jokes somehow make him two dimensional? He still came off as somewhat cheerful/light hearted as Spiderman without them. What you're saying makes absolutely no sense.
Man, look at this hot stud scoring all the hot chicks.
[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_543wI3Z8gDM/S0YY1mlr1SI/AAAAAAAAAOo/uJjWfNlQJvo/s400/amazing+fantasy+15+-+02.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]The Amazing Spider-Man seems to take from Ultimate Spider-Man, where Peter Parker isn't exactly a nerd just kind of an outcast.
I watched it today. It was pretty damn awesome.
[QUOTE=Skidd;36663485]The thing the old movies did NOT get right was Spiderman's character, what the fuck are you on about.[/QUOTE]
In the original Spider-Man, started fighting crime for the same reason as in the comics: to use his powers responsibly after his previous inaction caused his uncle's death. He also had lots of trouble with his Spider-Man persona starting to intrude on his regular life, which caused him to quite temporarily before finally realizing that he had to continue his superheroics. His his desire to be responsible conflicting with him wanting to live a normal life is probably the most important part of his character, and the movies pulled it off beautifully.
In Amazing Spider-Man he does it for... some kind of revenge quest. He never has any kind of revelation about responsibility or anything, and seems to learn absolutely nothing after his uncle dies. Also when he jokes around, particularly in that one scene with the car thief, he does not come off as endearing or funny. Instead he feels like some insufferable punk who just discovered his superpowers (not that I feel sympathy for the car thief). Hell, he doesn't even feel like an outcast. He seems more like just a generic smartass teenager. And since when was Peter Parker ever into skateboarding?
I watched it today... I've never been a big fan of Toby's Spiderman so this one was much better in my opinion. I liked Andrew Garfield before I knew he was going to be playing Spiderman so I was pretty excited to see it and it didn't disappoint :)
I think they kept closer to the original Spiderman stories with this one so that's also a bonus
[QUOTE=Dan2593;36664713]
I stand by what I said. Amazing movies, just good Spiderman movies. I still prefer Amazing Spider-man.[/QUOTE]
I can live with that.
Also, I heard that Raimi was getting pissed at the studio, so that's why he just said "fuck it" and came up with intentionally stupid shit like "Felicia Hardy: The Vultress".
Though I still want to see John Malkovich as the Vulture. Either him, Christopher Lloyd, or maybe Steve Buscemi.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36668440]Also when he jokes around, particularly in that one scene with the car thief, he does not come off as endearing or funny. Instead he feels like some insufferable punk who just discovered his superpowers (not that I feel sympathy for the car thief). Hell, he doesn't even feel like an outcast. He seems more like just a generic smartass teenager.[/QUOTE]
You can't criticize this as getting his character wrong. He's always been like that.
i didn't catch the Stan Lee cameo, could someone enlighten me please?
I went and saw it a few hours ago and I must say, I am quite surprised and delighted with how it turned out. I was skeptical at first, but I'm definitely glad that I went and saw it.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;36669368]You can't criticize this as getting his character wrong. He's always been like that.[/QUOTE]
Actually, no. Making wisecracks has never been THE most important part of his character, even if it is one of the more well known aspects of Spider-Man. In any incarnation of Spider-Man, there's always a fine line between making his jokes funny (or lame, but in an amusing sort of way), or just plain annoying and dumb, and this is most certainly the latter. In this, it just makes him look like a douchebag. And I can't root for a character who acts like a douchebag, especially if this is supposedly AFTER his heroic transformation.
Although I'll admit, I didn't feel that way in some other scenes. And he did get a little better later on, which I am thankful for. It was mostly just that car thief bit, which probably would have been funnier if it hadn't dragged on for so damn long. The "here's your change" line from Spider-Man 2 was funnier than that entire scene, because it's more the sort of joke that Spider-Man would make.
[editline]7th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Fofilolipop;36669464]i didn't catch the Stan Lee cameo, could someone enlighten me please?[/QUOTE]
You either don't know what Stan Lee looks like, or closed your eyes for a good portion of a fight scene. :v:
[sp]It was during the Lizard fight in the school. He was the librarian with the headphones on, and Spidey and Lizard were fighting in the background.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36668440]In the original Spider-Man, started fighting crime for the same reason as in the comics: to use his powers responsibly after his previous inaction caused his uncle's death. .[/QUOTE]
Spiderman: Green Goblin attacks Aunt May, kidnaps MJ
Spiderman 2: Doc Ock attempts to destory city kidnaps MJ
Spiderman 3: Venom and Sandman team up to kidnap MJ.
[QUOTE][B]In Amazing Spider-Man he does it for... some kind of revenge quest.[/B][/QUOTE]
Did you seriously like... even WATCH the goddamn movies? Did you even read any of the comics for that matter? Because from what I've read so far, it seems like you're basing your entire analysis on Sam Raimi's Spiderman, who's portrayed as a wimpy emo pantywaist.
[QUOTE=Hysteric;36669578]Spiderman: Green Goblin attacks Aunt May, kidnaps MJ
Spiderman 2: Doc Ock attempts to destory city kidnaps MJ
Spiderman 3: Venom and Sandman team up to kidnap MJ.
Did you seriously like... even WATCH the goddamn movies? Did you even read any of the comics for that matter? Because from what I've read so far, it seems like you're basing your entire analysis on Sam Raimi's Spiderman, who's portrayed as a wimpy emo pantywaist.[/QUOTE]
I do agree, it was lame how MJ got kidnapped in every single finale. But he STARTED fighting crime because he was trying to be responsible with his power (which included protecting his loved ones), and that was a huge point in both the comics and the movie.
Also, yes I did watch the movies and read the comics. In the new one, he became a hero to find Uncle Ben's killer, and in the comics and the Raimi movies, he did it out of a sense of responsibility. What's not to get about that?
In Amazing Spider-Man, it's really hard to buy that Peter somehow can't fit in, considering that he's good looking, he's a skater, he tries to stick up for himself and others, AND he's smart. There's nothing strange or unattractive about that, which makes his awkwardness feel that much more contrived.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36669996]I do agree, it was lame how MJ got kidnapped in every single finale. But he STARTED fighting crime because he was trying to be responsible with his power (which included protecting his loved ones), and that was a huge point in both the comics and the movie.
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In the raimi movies he also started fighting crime after he murdered a guy.
Murdered the WRONG guy too.
Having read the comics I feel Garfield's Spider-Man is closer. The wisecracks he makes in the comics are always closer to the car thief scene than anything in Raimi's films.
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[QUOTE=AaronM202;36670099]In the raimi movies he also started fighting crime after he murdered a guy.
Murdered the WRONG guy too.[/QUOTE]
Well, he didn't technically murder him, he just broke his arm because the guy was about to shoot him in the face. It was the other guy's fault for backing away and falling out the window. But I do think they should have made Peter shoot a web and save him, since that was another important part in the comics. Uncle Ben's killer was supposed to be the first criminal Spider-Man brings in, not the guy that he kind of accidentally kills.
Also, that guy was totally the right guy. I know Spider-Man 3 retconned that part of the origin story just to force in Sandman, but that never really mattered to me. Spider-Man 3 is the Raimi movie I can't and won't defend, because that's where things really started to go wrong.
I loved it as a moviegoer, but I disliked it as a spiderman fan. I feel like if they wanted to change as much as they did, they should have gone all the way. [sp]Honestly uncle ben's death in this version seemed unnecessary, since he was actually doing something good (helping Connors) rather than fighting for money and personal gain. In the original story uncle ben's death had much more weight, since it was his own selfishness that led to his death. Here his big sin was... not answering a phone call? It just lessened the impact of it all.[/sp]
[QUOTE=NanoSquid;36670333]I loved it as a moviegoer, but I disliked it as a spiderman fan. I feel like if they wanted to change as much as they did, they should have gone all the way. [sp]Honestly uncle ben's death in this version seemed unnecessary, since he was actually doing something good (helping Connors) rather than fighting for money and personal gain. In the original story uncle ben's death had much more weight, since it was his own selfishness that led to his death. Here his big sin was... not answering a phone call? It just lessened the impact of it all.[/sp][/QUOTE]
While I did like the movie, this was my biggest problem with it.
The whole hook of Spider-Man was that, unlike most of the heros at the time ("Golly, I got superpowers! Time to fight crime!"), he acted like a selfish teenager ("Golly, I got superpowers! I'M GONNA BE FUCKING RICH.") and the first thing he thought of was to exploit his abilities for his own personal gain.
In this one, he just kinda forgets about them, like "Oh, I'm really strong, have amazing reflexes, and can stick to shit... meh, time to go work on that lizard DNA."
The only time he uses them for anything remotely selfish before Ben dies is [sp]when he humiliates Flash, and even then, it was in defense of that one girl, so he was STILL being a hero.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36669516]Actually, no. Making wisecracks has never been THE most important part of his character, even if it is one of the more well known aspects of Spider-Man. In any incarnation of Spider-Man, there's always a fine line between making his jokes funny (or lame, but in an amusing sort of way), or just plain annoying and dumb, and this is most certainly the latter. In this, it just makes him look like a douchebag. And I can't root for a character who acts like a douchebag, especially if this is supposedly AFTER his heroic transformation.
Although I'll admit, I didn't feel that way in some other scenes. And he did get a little better later on, which I am thankful for. It was mostly just that car thief bit, which probably would have been funnier if it hadn't dragged on for so damn long. The "here's your change" line from Spider-Man 2 was funnier than that entire scene, because it's more the sort of joke that Spider-Man would make.[/QUOTE]
It's clear you're too fixated on the originals to understand this perspective on the character. He's not supposed to be overly heroic, you're only expecting this of him because of the other movies.
[editline]8th July 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;36669996]I do agree, it was lame how MJ got kidnapped in every single finale. But he STARTED fighting crime because he was trying to be responsible with his power (which included protecting his loved ones), and that was a huge point in both the comics and the movie.
Also, yes I did watch the movies and read the comics. In the new one, he became a hero to find Uncle Ben's killer, and in the comics and the Raimi movies, he did it out of a sense of responsibility. What's not to get about that?
In Amazing Spider-Man, it's really hard to buy that Peter somehow can't fit in, considering that he's good looking, he's a skater, he tries to stick up for himself and others, AND he's smart. There's nothing strange or unattractive about that, which makes his awkwardness feel that much more contrived.[/QUOTE]
Some people are just socially awkward, attractiveness has nothing to do with it.
It was better than the original series with Toby Manguire.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;36670439]It's clear you're too fixated on the originals to understand this perspective on the character. He's not supposed to be overly heroic, you're only expecting this of him because of the other movies.
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Maybe, but I don't recall Spider-Man ever acting like a complete asshat like that in the comics, and he still doesn't seem quite like Peter Parker. But whatever, I'm tired of arguing at this point so I'll just drop it.
I have no problem with people liking the movie or thinking differently. It's just that I usually try to understand other people's opinions, and I have a lot of trouble with that when seemingly everyone else's opinion is the complete opposite of mine, like with this movie.
I should probably give it another watch to see if I like it better the second time, knowing what to expect. It seems like everyone else is liking this movie a lot more than I do.
He doesn't seem like Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker. That's the problem you have with it.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;36671201]He doesn't seem like Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker. That's the problem you have with it.[/QUOTE]
If he hasn't seen it, I recommend he see it. It's the same problem my dad had with it. People need to treat the movie as it's own, a spiderman movie. I recommend pretending the other 3 do not exist and judging it on it's own merits.
Unrelated to whether or not we all liked the movie; has anyone else noticed this pattern marvel have of the villains in their movies being the same thing that the hero is?
Both of Iron Man's villains have been guys in Iron Man suits, Abomination was another supersoldier attempt poisoned by gamma radiation, Loki was also a demigod, Red Skull was the other recipient of the supersoldier injection, and now Lizard is another transgenetic being.
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