• The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) - Spidey's back in a brand spanking new movie!
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I hope we get to see Andrew garfield naked in the next movie
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36681342]Because you quite clearly don't like them? Because between this post and you calling Iron Man 3 useless, that seems fairly evident. Come to think of it, why did you go to a movie you probably knew you weren't gonna like anyway?[/QUOTE] My friend bought the ticket for me without asking [editline]9th July 2012[/editline] what could I do
Cancel?
I didn't have high hopes for this but I just went to see it last night, and it was fantastic. Definitely liked it more than any of Tobey's Spider-Mans
I can't believe they put a "Peter gets beaten up in highschool" scene in that movie.
[QUOTE=Killuah;36695577]I can't believe they put a "Peter gets beaten up in highschool" scene in that movie.[/QUOTE] Why was that surprising?
[QUOTE=Killuah;36695577]I can't believe they put a "Peter gets beaten up in highschool" scene in that movie.[/QUOTE] In every origin story Peter gets beaten up by bullies..
After watching more of it, I have to say I don't like it. The first 50 minutes are a carbon copy of Spiderman 1 except for some names. For a reboot they really should've changed more. Maybe it took longer than the Batman movies to reboot, but the new Batman is just completely different to the old one, it's more of a retake than a reboot. This movie on the other hand changes almost nothing but the actors and minor details. [editline]9th July 2012[/editline] Wtf in the first 60 minutes he's all serious and just now to yet he get's all whacky and joky without any reason, who wrote this? [editline]9th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;36696440]In every origin story Peter gets beaten up by bullies..[/QUOTE] Yes and that's why it's time to change it. [editline]9th July 2012[/editline] Oh hey just coming into your room through the fire ladder nothing weird or suspicious in that. [editline]9th July 2012[/editline] "Your father want's you to come in, immediately" - Father runs out of building
[QUOTE=Killuah;36696458] Oh hey just coming into your room through the fire ladder nothing weird or suspicious in that. [/QUOTE] He couldnt get in through the front door remember? :v: The doorman was intimidating.
It really picks up during the end though, the dialogue is still predictable and cheesy as fuck but at least I didn't expect EVERYTHING that happened. Especially the end of the villain and how he behaves.
[QUOTE=Killuah;36696458]Wtf in the first 60 minutes he's all serious and just now to yet he get's all whacky and joky without any reason, who wrote this?[/QUOTE] Maybe now that he can actually defend himself his confidence received a bit of a boost and he's not a shy kid anymore?
[QUOTE=Killuah;36696458] Wtf in the first 60 minutes he's all serious and just now to yet he get's all whacky and joky without any reason, who wrote this? [/QUOTE] Someone who read the comics.
So, guy in the shadows: [b]Norman Osborn[/b]- Debunked by Rhys Ifans himself. [b]Venom[/b]- The symbiote was engineered in the Ultimate Universe to cure terminal diseases (something Osborn could use), caused the plane crash that killed Peter's parents (along with Eddie's parents), can alter the user's appearance (he appears as an old man), can camouflage the wearer (man disappears without a trace), and the user speaks as a dual personality ("WE'LL leave him alone"). [b]Electro[/b]- The man appears and disappears with a strike of lightning. [b]Nick Fury[/b]- Thanks to legal bullshit, it's very possible that they're pursuing a separate Universe from the Avengers series, giving us white Hasselhoff Fury. Peter's parents were revealed to be working for S.H.I.E.L.D., so it's safe to say that Fury could appear should they choose to pursue this route. [b]Allistar Smythe[/b]- An older man, works for Oscorp, appears in the video game (takes place after the movie), obvously knows some shit about Connors and Peter and the DNA gene splicey mumbo jumbo. [b]Mendell Stromm[/b]- Another older employee of Oscorp. A high-ranking scientist in the comics, he worked closely with Norman Osborn (you might remember him from the Raimi series as Willaim DeFoe's first victim). [b]Mysterio[/b]- Can alter his appearance and make it seem that he appeared/disappeared out of the cell. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] Oh, and they can also pull a fucking cop-out and make it just some shady enforcer working for Osborn. Like, just a normal seedy kneebreaker kinda guy. But that'd suck.
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36700954]So, guy in the shadows: [b]Norman Osborn[/b]- Debunked by Rhys Ifans himself. [b]Venom[/b]- The symbiote was engineered in the Ultimate Universe to cure terminal diseases (something Osborn could use), caused the plane crash that killed Peter's parents (along with Eddie's parents), can alter the user's appearance (he appears as an old man), can camouflage the wearer (man disappears without a trace), and the user speaks as a dual personality ("WE'LL leave him alone"). [b]Electro[/b]- The man appears and disappears with a strike of lightning. [b]Nick Fury[/b]- Thanks to legal bullshit, it's very possible that they're pursuing a separate Universe from the Avengers series, giving us white Hasselhoff Fury. Peter's parents were revealed to be working for S.H.I.E.L.D., so it's safe to say that Fury could appear should they choose to pursue this route. [b]Allistar Smythe[/b]- An older man, works for Oscorp, appears in the video game (takes place after the movie), obvously knows some shit about Connors and Peter and the DNA gene splicey mumbo jumbo. [b]Mendell Stromm[/b]- Another older employee of Oscorp. A high-ranking scientist in the comics, he worked closely with Norman Osborn (you might remember him from the Raimi series as Willaim DeFoe's first victim). [b]Mysterio[/b]- Can alter his appearance and make it seem that he appeared/disappeared out of the cell. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] Oh, and they can also pull a fucking cop-out and make it just some shady enforcer working for Osborn. Like, just a normal seedy kneebreaker kinda guy. But that'd suck.[/QUOTE] I hope there isn't any original villains. I'd rather have realistic villains that appeared in the comics even though some were a bit cheesy..
I like the idea of it being Electro, personally.
The next one is the movie that's going to make or break this series. It's the time that they can COMPLETELY differentiate themselves from the Raimi series, since they don't have a story they need to stick to (ie. the origin). This is when they're gonna be doing Spider-Man with no training wheels, so to speak. I will be thoroughly impressed if they ever top this though: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z00fTwhmYX0&feature=related[/media]
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FDT6r-R0Vs[/media] Spectacular Spider-Man had some great one-liners. The movies keep focusing on how epic the action is, like "WOAH, DID YOU SEE WHAT HE JUST DID?" What they don't get is that, except in a few instances, the reply is always "YES, HE'S FUCKING SPIDER-MAN, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES." The fights should be a nice balance of thwips and quips (I've been waiting forever to use that). [sp]Fun Fact: TOM of Toonami and the Green Goblin are the same guy.[/sp] [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;36701249]Couldnt be smythe, he's in the game. [sp] and he dies in it too[/sp][/QUOTE] True, but who's to say that the stinger isn't foreshadowing the events that take place in the game (assuming the game is canon, ala Aliens Colonial Marines)? It'd be a bit of a cop-out, but it atleast makes sense (kinda).
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36701253] True, but who's to say that the stinger isn't foreshadowing the events that take place in the game (assuming the game is canon, ala Aliens Colonial Marines)? It'd be a bit of a cop-out, but it atleast makes sense (kinda).[/QUOTE] I forgot to read part of it :v: Also, the game is about [sp] oscorp, under smythe, continuing conners research, and he's probably in his 30's in the game[/sp]
I mean, I liked this movie but most of it didn't make any fucking sense and only was the way it was for plot convenience even though it defied all logic [sp]Why did the scientist man become a huge asshole and start throwing people off a bridge when he had just previously given up his career because he didn't want to do human trials on moral grounds? And then, still considering that, why did he want to turn everyone into lizard monsters? Why did he suddenly become lizard hitler? Does lizard dna make you a giant asshole for no reason? Why did uncle ben try to grab that guys gun even though if you left him alone he posed you no threat? He seemed like a pretty reasonable guy, and I know he thinks people are morally obliged to do whatever they can to help others, but grabbing for a robbers gun from right in front of him is just really stupid. The only reason he did that was so he can die and Spiderman can become Spiderman. Did he read the script? That could have been done in a way that didn't make a character do something totally stupid. Why did it take so long for Spiderman to realise the scientist was the lizard monster? He only finally realised when he saw the lizard mouse. Does he know somebody else working on how to splice lizard dna into people who have horrific scales on the side of their face? Why was that machine on the building so top secret and dangerous? All it did was launch chemicals that you have to make yourself into the air, then explode them. It's basically a mortar or something. Why did it need a count down sequence just to fire something into the air? to make it more sciencey? Why did spiderman say 'those are the best kind of promises' at the end? Is he trying to tell her that he's going to break his promises all the time? Shouldn't he have said something that implied he only breaks his promises sometimes? Is he trying to convince her he's an untrustworthy asshole who doesn't even keep promises he makes to dying people? Now gwen stacy has to die because peter has a spider boner for her, so they can make room for mary jane? maybe there was no mary jane, maybe that's a metaphor for spiderman's weed addiction. maybe he never was spider man and it's all psychosis induced hallucination ???[/sp] On top of all that, everyone was just a huge coincidence, every character tied in to the plot too conveniently. There's heaps more stuff too but those are some main plot problems
[QUOTE=Rusty100;36702252]I mean, I liked this movie but most of it didn't make any fucking sense and only was the way it was for plot convenience even though it defied all logic [sp]Why did the scientist man become a huge asshole and start throwing people off a bridge when he had just previously given up his career because he didn't want to do human trials on moral grounds? And then, still considering that, why did he want to turn everyone into lizard monsters? Why did he suddenly become lizard hitler? Does lizard dna make you a giant asshole for no reason? Why did uncle ben try to grab that guys gun even though if you left him alone he posed you no threat? He seemed like a pretty reasonable guy, and I know he thinks people are morally obliged to do whatever they can to help others, but grabbing for a robbers gun from right in front of him is just really stupid. The only reason he did that was so he can die and Spiderman can become Spiderman. Did he read the script? That could have been done in a way that didn't make a character do something totally stupid. Why did it take so long for Spiderman to realise the scientist was the lizard monster? He only finally realised when he saw the lizard mouse. Does he know somebody else working on how to splice lizard dna into people who have horrific scales on the side of their face? Why was that machine on the building so top secret and dangerous? All it did was launch chemicals that you have to make yourself into the air, then explode them. It's basically a mortar or something. Why did it need a count down sequence just to fire something into the air? to make it more sciencey? Why did spiderman say 'those are the best kind of promises' at the end? Is he trying to tell her that he's going to break his promises all the time? Shouldn't he have said something that implied he only breaks his promises sometimes? Is he trying to convince her he's an untrustworthy asshole who doesn't even keep promises he makes to dying people? Now gwen stacy has to die because peter has a spider boner for her, so they can make room for mary jane? maybe there was no mary jane, maybe that's a metaphor for spiderman's weed addiction. maybe he never was spider man and it's all psychosis induced hallucination ???[/sp] On top of all that, everyone was just a huge coincidence, every character tied in to the plot too conveniently. There's heaps more stuff too but those are some main plot problems[/QUOTE] [sp]1. He was throwing empty cars off the bridge because he was trying to get at the messenger dude. Remember seeing the people RUNNING AND SCREAMING? 2. Connors had a developing complex. He wanted to rid everyone of weakness, but the serum obviously fucked around with his psyche as shown by his increasingly crazed tendencies. 3. Uncle Ben was ALWAYS worried about Peter and Aunt May when they were out alone at night because he knew how dangerous NYC was. When Peter was out alone and this scumbag was packing heat, he knew that Peter could have gotten hurt. 4.He obviously knew, he wasn't going to just go all out and go "YOU ARE THE LIZARD. IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG. I SHOULD HAVE KNOW'ED." That's just bad dialogue. 5. It wasn't top secret and dangerous, just unused. Remember what Connors told Peter? You could vaccinate an entire city, but not everyone wants to be vaccinated. Seeing as how there would be no way to run away from it, it remained dormant. Does it really matter why it needed a countdown? Probably because SPREADING AN ANTIDOTE OVER AN ENTIRE CITY IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN FARTING A MORTAR AT A SINGLE TARGET. Also: Chekhov's Gun. Google it. 6. Dialogue.. Stop over thinking so much. 7. ...I don't even. Also, learn to spell.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;36702252][sp]Why did the scientist man become a huge asshole and start throwing people off a bridge when he had just previously given up his career because he didn't want to do human trials on moral grounds? And then, still considering that, why did he want to turn everyone into lizard monsters? Why did he suddenly become lizard hitler? Does lizard dna make you a giant asshole for no reason?[/sp][/QUOTE] Wasn't it more or a less a plot point that[sp]the lizard genetics or something made the test subjects extremely aggressive, as also shown with the test subject lizard mouse having broken out of the cage and eaten the other mouse. Either that, or the lizard DNA was from some predatory kind or something. He was always working to help mankind become better, that was the whole point of all of his research. To create cures for mankinds vulnerabilities, by giving them useful animal properties. Like the lizards ability to regenerate limbs. However since the lizard DNA made him extremely aggressive, he became a lot more primitive and dominant. So he no longer wanted mankind to have better abilities, he wanted to turn them into an even superior species. He thinks of himself as the good guy, saving mankind from their own weakness.[/sp] [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;36702252][sp]Why did spiderman say 'those are the best kind of promises' at the end? Is he trying to tell her that he's going to break his promises all the time? Shouldn't he have said something that implied he only breaks his promises sometimes? Is he trying to convince her he's an untrustworthy asshole who doesn't even keep promises he makes to dying people?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]He's late for class, and promises that he won't be late again. When she tells him that "Don't make promises you can't keep", he whispers to Gwen "but those are the best kind", since she knows he still loves her and she loves him. It's meant to comfort her, saying that yes he did promise her dad to stay away from her, but he doesn't know if he can keep that promise due to how he feels about her. It's supposed to be romantic, and reassuring to her since she was devastated that he couldn't be with her. [/sp]
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;36700954] [b]Venom[/b]- The symbiote was engineered in the Ultimate Universe to cure terminal diseases (something Osborn could use), caused the plane crash that killed Peter's parents (along with Eddie's parents), can alter the user's appearance (he appears as an old man), can camouflage the wearer (man disappears without a trace), and the user speaks as a dual personality ("WE'LL leave him alone").[/QUOTE] I'd jizz buckets if they did a proper Venom.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;36702252]I mean, I liked this movie but most of it didn't make any fucking sense and only was the way it was for plot convenience even though it defied all logic [sp]Why did the scientist man become a huge asshole and start throwing people off a bridge when he had just previously given up his career because he didn't want to do human trials on moral grounds? And then, still considering that, why did he want to turn everyone into lizard monsters? Why did he suddenly become lizard hitler? Does lizard dna make you a giant asshole for no reason? Why did uncle ben try to grab that guys gun even though if you left him alone he posed you no threat? He seemed like a pretty reasonable guy, and I know he thinks people are morally obliged to do whatever they can to help others, but grabbing for a robbers gun from right in front of him is just really stupid. The only reason he did that was so he can die and Spiderman can become Spiderman. Did he read the script? That could have been done in a way that didn't make a character do something totally stupid. Why did it take so long for Spiderman to realise the scientist was the lizard monster? He only finally realised when he saw the lizard mouse. Does he know somebody else working on how to splice lizard dna into people who have horrific scales on the side of their face? Why was that machine on the building so top secret and dangerous? All it did was launch chemicals that you have to make yourself into the air, then explode them. It's basically a mortar or something. Why did it need a count down sequence just to fire something into the air? to make it more sciencey? Why did spiderman say 'those are the best kind of promises' at the end? Is he trying to tell her that he's going to break his promises all the time? Shouldn't he have said something that implied he only breaks his promises sometimes? Is he trying to convince her he's an untrustworthy asshole who doesn't even keep promises he makes to dying people? Now gwen stacy has to die because peter has a spider boner for her, so they can make room for mary jane? maybe there was no mary jane, maybe that's a metaphor for spiderman's weed addiction. maybe he never was spider man and it's all psychosis induced hallucination ???[/sp] On top of all that, everyone was just a huge coincidence, every character tied in to the plot too conveniently. There's heaps more stuff too but those are some main plot problems[/QUOTE] I really hate when people make subjective criticisms about things that can easily be explained like this and claim they are plot holes.
[QUOTE=benaq;36702906]I really hate when people make subjective criticisms about things that can easily be explained like this and claim they are plot holes.[/QUOTE] They are in for the sake of getting the plot going, not out of a logic flow of the movie and that shows really hard when you have to start making up explainations yourself. One very minor thing that really caught me: [sp] Gwen hides in a locker, lizards doesn't see her and grabs stuff and goes away to the right. Gwen gets out and the first thing she does is look to the left to see if everything is clear[/sp] All in all character development was not in it at all, the characters just changed according to the needs of the movie to show action scenes and that is what Spidey 1 to 3 did a bit better.
[QUOTE=Simski;36702767]Wasn't it more or a less a plot point that[sp]the lizard genetics or something made the test subjects extremely aggressive, as also shown with the test subject lizard mouse having broken out of the cage and eaten the other mouse. Either that, or the lizard DNA was from some predatory kind or something. He was always working to help mankind become better, that was the whole point of all of his research. To create cures for mankinds vulnerabilities, by giving them useful animal properties. Like the lizards ability to regenerate limbs. However since the lizard DNA made him extremely aggressive, he became a lot more primitive and dominant. So he no longer wanted mankind to have better abilities, he wanted to turn them into an even superior species. He thinks of himself as the good guy, saving mankind from their own weakness.[/sp][/QUOTE] There's a difference between more aggressive and becoming lizard hitler. He literally wanted to create a master race of lizard people. He completely lost all empathy and morals the moment he injected himself with the stuff. It just doesn't seem right. They should have made him kind of an asshole in the first place, instead of going from basically an amazing person trying to cure diseases for mankind, to aryan lizard monster. [QUOTE=Simski;36702767][sp]He's late for class, and promises that he won't be late again. When she tells him that "Don't make promises you can't keep", he whispers to Gwen "but those are the best kind", since she knows he still loves her and she loves him. It's meant to comfort her, saying that yes he did promise her dad to stay away from her, but he doesn't know if he can keep that promise due to how he feels about her. It's supposed to be romantic, and reassuring to her since she was devastated that he couldn't be with her. [/sp][/QUOTE] No I completely get that. It just seems like a really poor choice of words. He could have said a million things along those exact lines but his choice of words just seems like 'yeah I break promises all the time I love it'. I know this is a really small complaint, but it demonstrates some writing problems in the film, I just didn't think the dialogue was all that well written. All the gags in the movie were like, 'hah, yeah, ok I guess that's kinda amusing' rather than actually being really funny. [QUOTE=Hysteric;36702747][sp]1. He was throwing empty cars off the bridge because he was trying to get at the messenger dude. Remember seeing the people RUNNING AND SCREAMING?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Yeah, I know he was trying to get to the indian dude. He still had a blatent disregard for the safety of others. As a monster should have. The problem is that he was a damn humanitarian right before he was a lizard. They didn't have to do that. In all the old spiderman movies, the people were already assholes. They just turned into bigger assholes. It just doesn't seem right that he should go from saving the world to destroying it after a single injection.[/sp] [QUOTE=Hysteric;36702747][sp]2. Connors had a developing complex. He wanted to rid everyone of weakness, but the serum obviously fucked around with his psyche as shown by his increasingly crazed tendencies.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Yeah. But why? Wouldn't it make more sense that it aggravated a preexisting mentality, rather than creating a whole new one? It's not like he was in beast mode, he could still talk and rationalise and form plans and do everything. He just looked like a lizard. So why did it fuck with his mind so much? Why couldn't he have just been an asshole before, instead of becoming one later just for the plot? Forshadowing some kind of asshole behaviour would have gone a long way. There's a difference between wanting to cure people, and getting rid of all their weaknesses by turning them into lizards for your own personal gain (he just didn't want to be the only lizard, let's face it). [/sp] [QUOTE=Hysteric;36702747][sp]3. Uncle Ben was ALWAYS worried about Peter and Aunt May when they were out alone at night because he knew how dangerous NYC was. When Peter was out alone and this scumbag was packing heat, he knew that Peter could have gotten hurt.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That's not a good reason for grabbing his gun for no reason. You wanna help? Stay away from the gun if he doesn't mean to use it against you. Call the police, remember his face. Only a complete idiot would try to steal a robbers gun from under him JUST BECAUSE he MIGHT kill the ONE PERSON he knows in the city. That's a stretch.[/sp] [QUOTE=Hysteric;36702747][sp]4.He obviously knew, he wasn't going to just go all out and go "YOU ARE THE LIZARD. IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG. I SHOULD HAVE KNOW'ED." That's just bad dialogue.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Then why didn't he try to stop him? Why did he wait for him to leave, then chase after him? At what stage did I say there should be obvious, ham fisted dialogue about it? He could have confronted him instead of pandering around it and being like 'OH I DUNNO MAYBE HE'S NOT THE BAD GUY MAYBE THIS STUFF IS A COINCIDENCE' and then suddenly see the lizard rabbit and have the musical cue be all like OH NOW I SEE, BETTER GO STOP HIM. [/sp] [QUOTE=Hysteric;36702747][sp]5. It wasn't top secret and dangerous, just unused. Remember what Connors told Peter? You could vaccinate an entire city, but not everyone wants to be vaccinated. Seeing as how there would be no way to run away from it, it remained dormant. Does it really matter why it needed a countdown? Probably because SPREADING AN ANTIDOTE OVER AN ENTIRE CITY IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN FARTING A MORTAR AT A SINGLE TARGET. Also: Chekhov's Gun. Google it. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]It was the only one in the world and it was up in a building nobody else had access to. It just still seems ridiculous that a vaccination mortar is so special. Seems like plenty of other scientists could make the exact same thing, it didn't require any specific research on his part, he was researching the cures. Not the mortar guns to fire them.[/sp] [QUOTE=Hysteric;36702747][sp]6. Dialogue.. Stop over thinking so much.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Dialogue is important. [/sp] [QUOTE=Hysteric;36702747][sp]7. ...I don't even. Also, learn to spell.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That part was a joke. Learn to get jokes I guess?[/sp] You're just making excuses for the movie. I'll say it again. I liked it. But it had it's share of problems. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;36703410]They are in for the sake of getting the plot going, not out of a logic flow of the movie and that shows really hard when you have to start making up explainations yourself. One very minor thing that really caught me: [sp] Gwen hides in a locker, lizards doesn't see her and grabs stuff and goes away to the right. Gwen gets out and the first thing she does is look to the left to see if everything is clear[/sp] All in all character development was not in it at all, the characters just changed according to the needs of the movie to show action scenes and that is what Spidey 1 to 3 did a bit better.[/QUOTE] Yeah this too. It had little to no development of the characters. Everything was way too 'because the plot needs to happen' rather than it feeling natural.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;36704391] Yeah this too. It had little to no development of the characters. Everything was way too 'because the plot needs to happen' rather than it feeling natural.[/QUOTE] Hey, as long as it isn't emo Peter Parker, I'm cool with it.
Well nobody's going to say Spiderman 3 was any good, you'll get no argument there.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;36704432]Well nobody's going to say Spiderman 3 was any good, you'll get no argument there.[/QUOTE] It had decent villains but just too many of them, which ended up with very little character and backstory to them, which is a shame.
I'm still pretty alright with the idea that the lizard genes made him more animal than man, which is why his humanitarian ideas if curing mankind was not forgotten, but changed into an obsession with the survival and reproduction of his own species. His goal is after all still not to destroy the world or kill all the humans, his goal is to make every human into a better more powerful species.
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